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its all about the person ive met plenty of great people of several different races, im not racist against African Americans, im racist against the thugs(of any race) who think everyone owes them something, and they shouldnt have to work for it like the rest of us. It also has a lot to do with the media. Ive met plenty of hard-working people of many races but they all have theyre bad apples.

I think that perhaps the first thing to do is to get rid of the stereotypes, if people stopped basing their mental image of an african american by what they see on BET the world would be a better place! I have friends that are african american, and they might seem stereotypical to the outsider, but once I got to know them, I realized that they are no different in personality than I!

Two names, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. Those two men have created more racial tention and hatred, racial divide and discomfort for differant races then any two men ever to come before them. Instead of listening to idiots like these two while they try to convince blacks that being black is a disability, we need to look to others who try to help by letting people know they are equal regardless of skin color.

I only care about the Stereotyping of the British, I for one find this "Cheerio Pip pip time for Tea and crumpets" thing very offensive, yet the British just roll over. If it was "Muhdaba Bix nood, tym fo' Wata'melons 'n' KFC!!!" or "Oooooh, Herro, I Ching-Chong-Chinese, time for flied lice!!!" Everyone would be up in arms.

All that "The worst they have in Britain is Drive by Arguments, lol!" pisses me off, I'm a Seth McFarlane fan, but people in the US usually think that's real! Its the worst thing in the UK if you don't include drive-bys, Rape, Kidnapping, Child Molestation (Believe me, thats a HUUUUGE problem here now) and the jobless yobs roaming the street, throwing bricks through windows and the random acts of violense (A friend of mine lost alot of blood after being beat up by a gang of more than 12 teenagers, some neighbours throw mud at my house along with dog turds, they used to kick the football agaisnt the wall which killed our birds in the avery).

We're pretty defensive about Football (Soccer) and Cricket too, most Americans think of them as Pussy sports, despite how much violence is included. Infact the argument still stands, American Football is the pussy sport since it's just Rugby with pads and cowards playing, Mostly the fans, or for Cricket its something going wrong with protection (sometimes bloody!). I hate sports since its pathetic and does nothing to help people, All it did for me was get picked on, the reason people are over weight or weak is their genes. I may be defending this country but I hate it with all my heart, I'm just sick of people always getting the wrong idea about our once powerful country.

British =/= Race.

Also, if you can't laugh at jokes about yourself, then you have no place laughing at all.

Shadowman wrote:British =/= Race.

Also, if you can't laugh at jokes about yourself, then you have no place laughing at all.

A Nationality counts as a race, which is why you're not allowed to tell Irishman, Englishman and Scottishman jokes anymore, racist jokes!

I think the point is that everyone makes fun of old British stereotypes, just like all the other old stereotypes which would be illegal now.

The Time Traveller wrote:

Shadowman wrote:British =/= Race.

Also, if you can't laugh at jokes about yourself, then you have no place laughing at all.

A Nationality counts as a race, which is why you're not allowed to tell Irishman, Englishman and Scottishman jokes anymore, racist jokes!

I think the point is that everyone makes fun of old British stereotypes, just like all the other old stereotypes which would be illegal now.

Actually, aren't those ethnicity's rather than races?

Well, every stereotype starts in truth. Remember that. Most black people are not bad, duh. But in poor areas, there is a lot of crime that happens. And most of the people that live in poor areas are people of color. Black or hispanic depending on the state and city. So your mind reverts to stereotypes. Stereotypes are a quick way for your mind to process info. It's necessary for survival. If you saw 3 guys wearing bandanas over their faces, what would you do? Well, stereotype dictates that these are probably bad guys and you should get the hell outta there. Its the same thing. So dont feel too bad. Listen to your instincts. Especially in a new place. And for the record, I'm hispanic.

The Time Traveller wrote:

Shadowman wrote:British =/= Race.

Also, if you can't laugh at jokes about yourself, then you have no place laughing at all.

A Nationality counts as a race, which is why you're not allowed to tell Irishman, Englishman and Scottishman jokes anymore, racist jokes!

I think the point is that everyone makes fun of old British stereotypes, just like all the other old stereotypes which would be illegal now.

A nationality is usually not a race, though it can be. But not usually. American is a nationality that the world knows as "people from the US", but Americans consist of many races/ethnicitys.

"A nationality is usually not a race, though it can be. But not usually. American is a nationality that the world knows as "people from the US", but Americans consist of many races/ethnicitys. "

Might be why Americans crack too many ethnic jokes, usually about other Europeans but sometimes about the other races.

Confusing race with ethnicity is a big problem, especially because there are those who insist you cant be half of one and half of the other culture.

I have some Native traits from my grandfather. Unlike my mom, i dont act much like a Germanic/Slavic cross, but i do kinda look like one. Which is why ive been looking for a way to rip that crap out of me with gen-engineering and behavioral modification. Gods, i would kill to have blue eyes instead of this brown of the mud people i have to wake up to every morning.

Natives ive met online cant figure me out and so automatically lock on and fire like any race of humans does to any other race on first sight. Im not sure i wanna meet any red people in person after that - theyd probably just pull out a bolter pistol an' blow me into next week while muttering "Hvtke"

(That'd be the word "white" in Creek, your mileage may vary even within Florida. Then again i am thinkin of Indians with enough cash to strap themselves with custom weapons - the Seminole.... so there.)

Whites have also wholesale rejected me. That's been an ongoing thing throughout my life. Ever been the only guy at the oil company who keeps a recycling bin? Yeah. Thats a pretty good analogy.

Thus, i am nothing. I am an unregistered mongrel that should have never BEEN. In fact, running the numbers, i dont know how much a human can really overcome his innate hatred for all that lives to even mate, much less with a human that looks only slightly different. Thus, how i even got here is a mystery on par with the origin of the universe.

Afro American

I guess that'd be my ethnic designation if I lived in the states. Around here, Holland, I’m just your local Surinamese guy. A Caribbean Negro, generally the most accepted minority next 2 western(other white) minorities, even that would be open for discussion.
(the actions of a certain mister laden made Muslims the main antagonists)

anyways, do not be ashamed to show your own racism. I know a lot of white people, mainly leftist some right winged and some even lower class & they all seem to be racist to a certain extend.
But the same goes for my colored family and a lot of my Muslim co-workers.

As a sociology student and a wannabee historian this doesn't surprise me since people are social and have a need to keep things predictable. Racial homogeneity furthers these needs.

The other need of course is prosperity, income, stuff, merchandise whatever. Which in our own very little capitalistic world economy is generated through the free market which operates via a unique model of human action: the rational-actor.
A human model in which the human bases his decision upon selecting or optimizing his personal needs. Groups are generally rendered outdated in this model.

However recent political, economical & soiocial developments have contrasted this model and shown the willingness of humans to undertake ‘irrational’ actions.
The model is basically defunct, but nevertheless functions on a material level. Because tremendous wealth is generated through the mobility of goods, people, capital, knowledge etc….

And this is basically which causes the major dilemma which people have faced multiple times in history. Do we want:
Prosperity which automatically entails heterogeneity or homogeneity which will produce relative poverty.

Sofar most people and governments have chosen prosperity. The only problem with prosperity is its distribution, rich get richer and poor get poorer. This basically means rich white (or whatever) people can afford to keep blacks (or whatever) F*lth out but poor or middleclass white (or whatever) people can’t.

There are a couple of scenario’s suggested to this resolve this issue, most of them are pretty gruesome but not to different from past solutions.

It’s my belief humans have a certain limit in their ability to recognize ‘the other’ as human, the ‘in group’ is confound to that limit. It’s nothing to be ashamed about. It’s just reality. In it’s mild manifestation it is a gated community, in it’s hard manifestation it is a gated death camp.

Menasor,

Does this mean im neurologically defective for finding African, Asian, American, -and- European girls to be attractive?

Or is this perhaps a direct result of being a multi-racial even to a small degree?

(If you need my BQ for your calculations, i am about 1/8 American blood. Grandpa identified it as Creek, and he did look a lot like Menawa, though i hear from some of the Thornhills that they have Cherokee. Its all on my dad's side anyhow, and my mom is the usual accumulation of immigrant Central and East Europeans. And yes, i found my ancestors on some old claim rolls after all these years.)

Im taking no offense, this is a point ive always wondered about... where in my experience most humans would Kill On Sight anyone not of their own race, im the oddball who looks at the gorgeousness that comes to us from Japan. Or mostly from West Africa. Or from Mexico...you get the idea...

I was brought up to not be a racist, if that helps in your findings, because of the now-confirmed rumors of Native blood.

And these days post 9/11, i feel like a relict raver-brite type from the 1990's that foolishly believes in peace, love, unity and respect while Armageddon is starting all around him.

@ Vec-Prime

You are not neurologically defective, maybe a bit insecure

However I do agree I stated some large unspecified claims but
the core of my argument revolves around the notion of ethnicity and it’s significant importance throughout world history.

Take a look at the current map of Iraq and you would see what I’m talking about.

Currently ethnicity is important just as it always has been and will be. In the 20th century humanity resolved this issue primarily through ethnic cleansing. WOI & WOII had their fair share of ethnic-cleansing. The map of the world got redrawn due to its effects. Ideological and religious conflicts of the 20th century followed the ethnic logic pioneered by the Turks.

I’m not saying this is the way people should behave, I’m merely suggesting this logic is pretty common and seems to guide our behavior as a species more often then not.

Ethnicity dictates the distribution of goods, opportunities and health. I think it’s very important to recognize the strength of this concept in shaping the world.

It’s not about individual motivations it’s about group dynamics; there has never been a reported genocide committed by an individual. Therefore comments which stress individual cross-cultural relations are of no importance, my argument is not personal.

Ethnicity could be perceived as a network which allows for high levels of voluntarily cooperation. By adopting symbolic markers one gains access to this network, as a consequence information travels faster and is generally recognized as more reliable. Moreover individual behavior tends to be more predictable and therefore trust is generated. In short homogeneity serves a purpose, in that respect ethnicity could be viewed as some kind of lubricant.

Ethnic networks have shaped the 20th century let’s just hope other, less violent manifestations of human cooperation, will shape the 21st.

unfortunately, Menasor, i only see things getting worse and worse from here on out. We are living in the last days according to every religion on this planet that is eschatological. Looking around, i think we may finally have proof of God at this rate!!!

As i alluded to, last time i talked to any Natives, they wanted to blow my head off for being an unacceptable mongrel. These people looked down their noses at even 1/2 or 3/4 Native or anyone with any European ancestry! And white people outright think im a freak because i dont value people by their bank acct.

I've had good and bad experiences with Africans, Afro-Americans, Latinos, and Asians. I guess their facial recognition circuitry doesnt go "Kill the Interloper! Rip out its life!" upon seeing me, but the two component races do.

I think you would be insecure, too, after a life of that. oh yeah, and your father hated himself and horribly misappropriated Asian culture in order to avoid having to really look at his face in the morning. And the schools taught you that some of your ancestors are sub-human. Forgot to mention that.

The Time Traveller wrote:

Shadowman wrote:British =/= Race.

Also, if you can't laugh at jokes about yourself, then you have no place laughing at all.

A Nationality counts as a race, which is why you're not allowed to tell Irishman, Englishman and Scottishman jokes anymore, racist jokes!

I think the point is that everyone makes fun of old British stereotypes, just like all the other old stereotypes which would be illegal now.

Let's look at a dictionary: The meaning of the word "Joke."

And I say again, if you can't laugh at yourself, why laugh at all?

VecPrime wrote:unfortunately, Menasor, i only see things getting worse and worse from here on out. We are living in the last days according to every religion on this planet that is eschatological. Looking around, i think we may finally have proof of God at this rate!!!

As i alluded to, last time i talked to any Natives, they wanted to blow my head off for being an unacceptable mongrel. These people looked down their noses at even 1/2 or 3/4 Native or anyone with any European ancestry! And white people outright think im a freak because i dont value people by their bank acct.

I've had good and bad experiences with Africans, Afro-Americans, Latinos, and Asians. I guess their facial recognition circuitry doesnt go "Kill the Interloper! Rip out its life!" upon seeing me, but the two component races do.

I think you would be insecure, too, after a life of that. oh yeah, and your father hated himself and horribly misappropriated Asian culture in order to avoid having to really look at his face in the morning. And the schools taught you that some of your ancestors are sub-human. Forgot to mention that.

Wow, some of the Native Americans there were that bad?!

I know I have a bunch of Native American ethnicities in me -at least three tribes that I know of so far- and too a lot of people I appear somewhat Asian. I am a mix of European and Native American, and I am a 'mutt." My whole family are mutts. We don't know a lot of our ancestry, as our family records were lost. Being a "mutt" is nothing to be ashamed of. To be honest, some of my ancesters were enemies of each other during wars, and would probably be mad at me if I ever went back in time and met them, they would hate me because I had the enemy's "blood" in me. Especially if they were fullbloods.

Heh, with me, i am mostly mistaken for German until someone hits me with a Louisville. Then they find that the substructure has something to do with either Muscogium-90* or Vector's fuselage, im not sure which.

*unknown substance. Very hard. Has broken Spanish swords back when Toledo steel meant something.

Shadowman wrote:

The Time Traveller wrote:

Shadowman wrote:British =/= Race.

Also, if you can't laugh at jokes about yourself, then you have no place laughing at all.

A Nationality counts as a race, which is why you're not allowed to tell Irishman, Englishman and Scottishman jokes anymore, racist jokes!

I think the point is that everyone makes fun of old British stereotypes, just like all the other old stereotypes which would be illegal now.

Let's look at a dictionary: The meaning of the word "Joke."

And I say again, if you can't laugh at yourself, why laugh at all?

The Irish seem good at, at look at the **** they've dealt with.

Starscream...

It also has to do with what people. Creek-descended people are far less common than the ungodly number of Cherokee there would be if even 1/4 of the people who claimed it were right. Then theres the old Upper vs. Lower debate that has been going on since Osceola.

as for how bad, why not check out http://www.indianz.com/ for yourself? Cyber-bish should look at this, i think - then hed realize our board isnt half that bad. LOL

These people did NOT show the respect Granddad taught to me. Came away feeling like crap that im even vaguely related to any of these guys, and all i was looking for was an answer to the mystery. Wanted to learn about the culture first-hand, didnt mean no harm to no one, and yet i was instantly treated like the enemy that these guys assume all the other races are - as if the -lane-, -hvtke-, and -lvste- were all one big monolithic machine for the -cate- to fight.

The irony in all this that in a couple of months im going to Thanksgiving on the other side of the state, with my friends family because most of my own sucks. They're Cherokee and have Seminole friends, some of which will probably be showing up. (Davy, FL - 2 miles from rez and the Hard Rock.)

I checked out that link you posted.

There was about a week or two ago somebody named "Wolverine" actually bitching about that sort of thing, how "Indianess" was made to be defined by what "percentage" a person was. Even though it was a rant, there was a good point made by them: Either you are Indian, or you are not. There is two much bullcrap with 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, so on.

Which I agree.

Where I live, Native Americans are very uncommon, so I never had to deal with that sort of racism before from them or from full whites. One of the tribes I know that is in my family, the Delaware, are in Oklahoma I think. So there isn't a reservation near by. So there isn't too many of us that any sort of rascism can develop.

Such a black-and-white worldview allows for none of the things we see in actual sociology, however, such as cultural intermediates.

Most Americans are cultural intermediates anyway between all four races. We have African, European, Asian, and American influences.

Physically, i contain inheritance from everywhere from Russia to Florida. To them, i was nothing more than a filthy mongrel, a product of a war crime, and something that should be greeted with open arms - Kalishnikovs.

And im starting to believe that they were right.