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Rated X wrote:So in other words Mania King has out-dated beast wars articulation for his arms ? So the bicep complaint and the wrist complaint are two seperate issues ? I was always under the assumption they were the same complaint. I cant say Im bothered by either of them. Sure Fansproject spoils us with all kinds of crazy articulation. But I dont put down other companies for not doing the same thing. I look at the figure for what it has, not for what it doesnt have. You could drive yourself crazy nit picking little things that might have not mattered to the designer or those collectors he solicited feedback from in China.

Actually, most Beast Wars figures have their arms/hands shaped such that they can bend at the elbow and have their fist facing upwards so they can hold guns etc., not doing a bicep curl with their palms facing up. I used that Optimal Optimus (which has wrist articulation) as a visual example of the type of bend you get from this not-Galvatron.

Rated X wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:I totally agree about leader class figures being a waste of time. I’m under the assumption "leader class" was created for the movie line and used for characters deemed important enough to get a huge figure. They look great on your coffee table, but aren’t really in scale with any other figures.

I still could care less about the fists. So they don’t swivel, who cares ? The wrists/fists are molded in the proper human anatomy for most poses. Granted, being able to swivel the wrists would allow for more poses. But considering most everyone will be displaying this figure with classics Cyclonus (another figure with no wrist swivel) I don’t see a big deal. It goes quite well with the figures it was made to display with. You’re not paying $115 for a figure with extreme possibility (such as MP figures) You’re paying $115 to have a properly scaled Galvatron that doesn’t transform into stupid tank or plane. I think that’s what UT was shooting for, and they pulled it off nicely.

The only thing I find annoying is all the white on the cannon tip. But there are multiple options:

• Paint it metallic orange with spray paint
• Leave it alone and call it “neo”
• E-mail Reprolabels and suggest a Mania King label set that includes orange cannon labels

I think you're assumptions about "leader class" is wrong. Didn't they made "leader class" figures in Energon/Armada/ and Cybertron.

I've still not made up my mind on the figure. I don't really want it but I see all the good points of it too. Best classics Galvatron? definitely. Funny looking Gorilla bicep curling arms? yea its still there =/ and it still bugs me. Reviews and in-hand pictures of this guy will sway me one way or another.

I started collecting in 2007 with the movie line so I have no idea if Leader class figures came out before that. I cant think of any off hand except maybe Tidal Wave and the Jetfire mold used to make Timelines Astrotrain. I dont know what class they were listed as being.

Energon Megatron and Galvatron are leader classes. They also made smaller voyager versions pictured in the front



I actually started collecting in 2010... Guess I'm more into older figures..

Rated X wrote:So in other words Mania King has out-dated beast wars articulation for his arms ? So the bicep complaint and the wrist complaint are two seperate issues ? I was always under the assumption they were the same complaint. I cant say Im bothered by either of them. Sure Fansproject spoils us with all kinds of crazy articulation. But I dont put down other companies for not doing the same thing. I look at the figure for what it has, not for what it doesnt have. You could drive yourself crazy nit picking little things that might have not mattered to the designer or those collectors he solicited feedback from in China.

Bicep complaint can be fixed with wrist articulation.

@X - It's difficult to see the poor arm articulation as a "nitpick" when it hinders so many poses. It's $115. It should have a $115 level of articulation. Pointing to Cyclonus proves a total misunderstanding of the issue. It's one thing to say such limited articulation doesn't bug you, but it's like you just don't comprehend the problem.

@all - Anyway, even with the elbow problem I think I'll get this figure. It does enough right to win me over and, really, I'm a sucker for Galvatron.

And hey - he can do that "iconic" Hot Rod choking scene no problem!

As for Leader class, it needs to be seriously renamed and opened up more fully to other characters. I wouldn't mind Skyfire in this class, although I don't know if I'd get him. Still a fan of Energon Galvatron, although I don't know how long he can stay in my display.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:@X - It's difficult to see the poor arm articulation as a "nitpick" when it hinders so many poses. It's $115. It should have a $115 level of articulation. Pointing to Cyclonus proves a total misunderstanding of the issue. It's one thing to say such limited articulation doesn't bug you, but it's like you just don't comprehend the problem.

@all - Anyway, even with the elbow problem I think I'll get this figure. It does enough right to win me over and, really, I'm a sucker for Galvatron.

And hey - he can do that "iconic" Hot Rod choking scene no problem!

As for Leader class, it needs to be seriously renamed and opened up more fully to other characters. I wouldn't mind Skyfire in this class, although I don't know if I'd get him. Still a fan of Energon Galvatron, although I don't know how long he can stay in my display.

Everytime I think Ive figured out what it is exactly what you guys dont like about the arm articulation, somebody confuses me with a different explanation. You refer to it as an "elbow" problem while the last person calls it a "bicep curl". If the problem is with the elbow, what does that have to do with the wrist ? Is it that the hands are curved in at a slightly odd angle ? Or is it the whole bicep (AKA forearm) that is "curled" inward too much for peoples liking ? (like a gorilla)

On the price, I feel everyone has been spoiled by Fansproject. Im not sure everyone should demand what one company does as a "standard". For me personally, what youre paying 4115 for is the fact that it's a voyager class Galvatron that turns into a cannon instead of a dumb tank. If it was anything else it would be around 80 bucks like the upcoming Unique Toys Blaster. But it's not Blaster, it's Galvatron. Youre paying for the Galvy hype. Im cool with it.

Autobot032 wrote: This, I don't understand at all. You find it to be subpar. You critique it negatively. Why would you spend money on it? That makes no sense to me. I'd surely hate to spend $115.00 for a "placeholder"

I'd rather buy a Subpar place holder. Instead of waiting more years for a better version to come out.

3rd party TF toys have a high turn over rate on ebay. I'm sure I will get my $115 back for mania king when it's time to sell him. I'm not losing any money here.

Autobot032 wrote:But you don't know that. FP most likely wouldn't have tackled Leader Class. MMC, possibly, but it would cost a LOT more.
TFC is overpriced and over simplified, with a bunch of partsforming

FP probably would have done Mania King in the eight inch Ultra Scale. based off FP Diesel & WB003 Warbot Assaulter being Ultra scale.

MMC Hexatron cost $139 & was leader scale. So there is hope here.

TFC,probably would charge the most for a Leader sized 3rd party toy.
Galvatron had a simple transformation,he doesn't need to be complex. Parts forming wouldn't be a issue with Galvatron,As it had a overly simply design.

X, we're not telling you you have to hate the figure because of a lack of wrist articulation. Please stop telling us that we have to love the figure even with no wrist articulation. That's the beauty. We each can decide what matters to us. (That may be an overly simplistic way to describe your rants at many of us who do not like this figure as much as you do, but that is how it is coming off. You and Tsutsukakushi have a knack for telling others how they should feel rather than just explaining how you feel about it. It's getting beyond annoying. )

Back on topic, when I was closely looking at the pics earlier in the week, I wondered if the wrist articulation could have been solved as forearm articulation. Instead of having the wrist swivel just above the hand, what if the whole forearm moved just below the elbow joint. This would also put the cannon on the side of the arm instead of on the bottom like Classics Megatron. It appears that wrist articulation is prevented by the transformation process. I wonder about at the elbow.

I'm sure it is far too late to make the change, but could it have solved the bicep curl problem that seems to bug so many of us, myself for sure...

Rated X wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:@X - It's difficult to see the poor arm articulation as a "nitpick" when it hinders so many poses. It's $115. It should have a $115 level of articulation. Pointing to Cyclonus proves a total misunderstanding of the issue. It's one thing to say such limited articulation doesn't bug you, but it's like you just don't comprehend the problem.

@all - Anyway, even with the elbow problem I think I'll get this figure. It does enough right to win me over and, really, I'm a sucker for Galvatron.

And hey - he can do that "iconic" Hot Rod choking scene no problem!

As for Leader class, it needs to be seriously renamed and opened up more fully to other characters. I wouldn't mind Skyfire in this class, although I don't know if I'd get him. Still a fan of Energon Galvatron, although I don't know how long he can stay in my display.

Everytime I think Ive figured out what it is exactly what you guys dont like about the arm articulation, somebody confuses me with a different explanation. You refer to it as an "elbow" problem while the last person calls it a "bicep curl". If the problem is with the elbow, what does that have to do with the wrist ? Is it that the hands are curved in at a slightly odd angle ? Or is it the whole bicep (AKA forearm) that is "curled" inward too much for peoples liking ? (like a gorilla)

lol I'm not sure if you're serious or just trolling everyone... you probably don't pose your figures very much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGMuqnxOSOI
go to 11:15 this Galvatron basically have the same issue as Beast hunters Bulkhead.

If done properly this would have a swivel below the elbow and at the wrist. That would allow you to keep the cannon at the proper angle. But wrist articulation is the least they can do.

It looks like they could have accomplished the transformation with a ball joint.

Agamemnon wrote:Back on topic, when I was closely looking at the pics earlier in the week, I wondered if the wrist articulation could have been solved as forearm articulation. Instead of having the wrist swivel just above the hand, what if the whole forearm moved just below the elbow joint. This would also put the cannon on the side of the arm instead of on the bottom like Classics Megatron. It appears that wrist articulation is prevented by the transformation process. I wonder about at the elbow.

I'm sure it is far too late to make the change, but could it have solved the bicep curl problem that seems to bug so many of us, myself for sure...

Yea it's already way to late to change anything. That's the problem with Unique toys though because this was announce when? September? less than 4 months turn around which is great (and because they are CHMS and own their own factory) But there's no time to fix any issues and complaints that come up.

so they basically operate on the exact opposite end of the spectrum of MMC.

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:I totally agree about leader class figures being a waste of time. I’m under the assumption "leader class" was created for the movie line and used for characters deemed important enough to get a huge figure. They look great on your coffee table, but aren’t really in scale with any other figures.

I still could care less about the fists. So they don’t swivel, who cares ? The wrists/fists are molded in the proper human anatomy for most poses. Granted, being able to swivel the wrists would allow for more poses. But considering most everyone will be displaying this figure with classics Cyclonus (another figure with no wrist swivel) I don’t see a big deal. It goes quite well with the figures it was made to display with. You’re not paying $115 for a figure with extreme possibility (such as MP figures) You’re paying $115 to have a properly scaled Galvatron that doesn’t transform into stupid tank or plane. I think that’s what UT was shooting for, and they pulled it off nicely.

The only thing I find annoying is all the white on the cannon tip. But there are multiple options:

• Paint it metallic orange with spray paint
• Leave it alone and call it “neo”
• E-mail Reprolabels and suggest a Mania King label set that includes orange cannon labels

I think you're assumptions about "leader class" is wrong. Didn't they made "leader class" figures in Energon/Armada/ and Cybertron.

I've still not made up my mind on the figure. I don't really want it but I see all the good points of it too. Best classics Galvatron? definitely. Funny looking Gorilla bicep curling arms? yea its still there =/ and it still bugs me. Reviews and in-hand pictures of this guy will sway me one way or another.

AEC,Animated & The movie verse had leader class figures.

While not exactly named leader class. We all know certain MP toys are in the leader scale. MP-9,MP-10 & MP Grimlock are all leader scale toys. BH Ultimate Target $50 Predaking,is in leader scale in robot mode.

It's debattable if TFP $32 Weaponizers Optimus should be considered leader size or ultra size.

2001 RID bigger Optimus & Magnus,Sold as $29 Super sized toys. In 2014,These toys would easily sell at over $40 & be considered leader scale.

Beast Wars Optimal Optimus,Would be considered a Leader sized toy in 2014.

X,I disagree,some or most view the Leader sized TF toys as top notch Ultimate versions. The reasons I dislike the basics & deluxes so much is because cheaper materials,less parts & more short cuts get done with these toys.

HasTak,Has even said in countless interviews. That it takes much longer to create the leader sized TF toys compared to the smaller ones. Due to stronger materials,more parts,higher sculpt getting put into these leader sized TF toys.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:As for Leader class, it needs to be seriously renamed and opened up more fully to other characters. I wouldn't mind Skyfire in this class, although I don't know if I'd get him. Still a fan of Energon Galvatron, although I don't know how long he can stay in my display.

The leader class is already fully opened to other characters. The faction leaders,Second in commands,big brutes & Bumblebee all get this size class.

HasTak,needs to be careful when chosing characters for the Leader scale. Because they need to sell decent in stores.

HasTak,Is contantly renaming all the size classes. $50 Target BH Ultimate Predaking,Is Leader scale in robot mode. So ultimate might be the newer Leader scale name in the BH toy line.

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:@X - It's difficult to see the poor arm articulation as a "nitpick" when it hinders so many poses. It's $115. It should have a $115 level of articulation. Pointing to Cyclonus proves a total misunderstanding of the issue. It's one thing to say such limited articulation doesn't bug you, but it's like you just don't comprehend the problem.

@all - Anyway, even with the elbow problem I think I'll get this figure. It does enough right to win me over and, really, I'm a sucker for Galvatron.

And hey - he can do that "iconic" Hot Rod choking scene no problem!

As for Leader class, it needs to be seriously renamed and opened up more fully to other characters. I wouldn't mind Skyfire in this class, although I don't know if I'd get him. Still a fan of Energon Galvatron, although I don't know how long he can stay in my display.

Everytime I think Ive figured out what it is exactly what you guys dont like about the arm articulation, somebody confuses me with a different explanation. You refer to it as an "elbow" problem while the last person calls it a "bicep curl". If the problem is with the elbow, what does that have to do with the wrist ? Is it that the hands are curved in at a slightly odd angle ? Or is it the whole bicep (AKA forearm) that is "curled" inward too much for peoples liking ? (like a gorilla)

lol I'm not sure if you're serious or just trolling everyone... you probably don't pose your figures very much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGMuqnxOSOI
go to 11:15 this Galvatron basically have the same issue as Beast hunters Bulkhead.

Yeah I dont do too much dynamic posing. Im more into faction displays than battle displays. After watching the bulkhead video I see what people mean now. But to be honest, since Im not a big action pose guy, complaining about this issue would have never crossed my mind.

Two size comparison pictures here the first one is from peaugh .

This makes me happy because Galvatron will be slightly taller than classics/united Megatron. I'd be pissed if I was using Hegemon though, as he is way bulkier. It looks like Galvatron went on the Unicron diet.

Banjo-Tron wrote:This makes me happy because Galvatron will be slightly taller than classics/united Megatron. I'd be pissed if I was using Hegemon though, as he is way bulkier. It looks like Galvatron went on the Unicron diet.

As someone who is using Hegemon I probably could use a Galvatron of this size because the cartoon made him look slightly smaller than Cyclonus (assuming I'm remembering that correctly!). So if this goes on sale for at least $30 off, and I can ignore the stupid arms, I just might bite.

There is a good chance it would still be a place holder in my collection though, which would mean even on sale it'd be a waste of money.

Arctorro wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:This makes me happy because Galvatron will be slightly taller than classics/united Megatron. I'd be pissed if I was using Hegemon though, as he is way bulkier. It looks like Galvatron went on the Unicron diet.

As someone who is using Hegemon I probably could use a Galvatron of this size because the cartoon made him look slightly smaller than Cyclonus (assuming I'm remembering that correctly!). So if this goes on sale for at least $30 off, and I can ignore the stupid arms, I just might bite.

There is a good chance it would still be a place holder in my collection though, which would mean even on sale it'd be a waste of money.

I'm with you. (Let's see if these images will hotlink...)




I always felt that Galvy was the same size, if not slightly smaller than Cyclonus. Maybe this is influenced by the mass shifting when Galvy flies in to confront Starscream. Though the Has/Tak Deluxe Galvy wasn't the greatest mold, I did like how he scaled with Cyclonus and the Sweeps.

(As an aside, there are some weird people in the world. I know I'm weird, but man alive! I did a Google image search on "Galvatron Cyclonus." The fan art. I can't...not...see some of it anymore. )

Agamemnon wrote:I'm with you. (Let's see if these images will hotlink...)




I always felt that Galvy was the same size, if not slightly smaller than Cyclonus. Maybe this is influenced by the mass shifting when Galvy flies in to confront Starscream. Though the Has/Tak Deluxe Galvy wasn't the greatest mold, I did like how he scaled with Cyclonus and the Sweeps.

(As an aside, there are some weird people in the world. I know I'm weird, but man alive! I did a Google image search on "Galvatron Cyclonus." The fan art. I can't...not...see some of it anymore. )

Nice, thanks for confirming that for me

I will also remember to never Google "Galvatron Cyclonus"

Agamemnon wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:This makes me happy because Galvatron will be slightly taller than classics/united Megatron. I'd be pissed if I was using Hegemon though, as he is way bulkier. It looks like Galvatron went on the Unicron diet.

As someone who is using Hegemon I probably could use a Galvatron of this size because the cartoon made him look slightly smaller than Cyclonus (assuming I'm remembering that correctly!). So if this goes on sale for at least $30 off, and I can ignore the stupid arms, I just might bite.

There is a good chance it would still be a place holder in my collection though, which would mean even on sale it'd be a waste of money.

I'm with you. (Let's see if these images will hotlink...)




I always felt that Galvy was the same size, if not slightly smaller than Cyclonus. Maybe this is influenced by the mass shifting when Galvy flies in to confront Starscream. Though the Has/Tak Deluxe Galvy wasn't the greatest mold, I did like how he scaled with Cyclonus and the Sweeps.

(As an aside, there are some weird people in the world. I know I'm weird, but man alive! I did a Google image search on "Galvatron Cyclonus." The fan art. I can't...not...see some of it anymore. )

HAHAHHAHAH =X

If there’s one thing we learned from the Blitzwing shoulder fixes and Grimlock chest fillers, it that there’s a huge 3rd party market for picky collectors who aren’t satisfied with a highly anticipated figure. It’s only a matter of time before someone fixes the dreaded bicep curl. It might come in the form of an upgrade kit along with a better head (shorter prongs) and a translucent orange cannon barrel. But the question is if you’re not willing to shell out $115 now for Galvatron, are you willing to pay $150 in aftermarket prices plus the upgrade kit when it comes out ? Not a winning proposition for those of you who are so concerned about $20-30 bucks. I’m not trying to antagonize anyone here, I’m just keeping it real.

Rated X wrote:If there’s one thing we learned from the Blitzwing shoulder fixes and Grimlock chest fillers, it that there’s a huge 3rd party market for picky collectors who aren’t satisfied with a highly anticipated figure. It’s only a matter of time before someone fixes the dreaded bicep curl. It might come in the form of an upgrade kit along with a better head (shorter prongs) and a translucent orange cannon barrel. But the question is if you’re not willing to shell out $115 now for Galvatron, are you willing to pay $150 in aftermarket prices plus the upgrade kit when it comes out ? Not a winning proposition for those of you who are so concerned about $20-30 bucks. I’m not trying to antagonize anyone here, I’m just keeping it real.

...and yet.

Agamemnon wrote:(As an aside, there are some weird people in the world. I know I'm weird, but man alive! I did a Google image search on "Galvatron Cyclonus." The fan art. I can't...not...see some of it anymore. )

Curiosity got the best of me. I googled it.

Rated X wrote:If there’s one thing we learned from the Blitzwing shoulder fixes and Grimlock chest fillers, it that there’s a huge 3rd party market for picky collectors who aren’t satisfied with a highly anticipated figure. It’s only a matter of time before someone fixes the dreaded bicep curl. It might come in the form of an upgrade kit along with a better head (shorter prongs) and a translucent orange cannon barrel. But the question is if you’re not willing to shell out $115 now for Galvatron, are you willing to pay $150 in aftermarket prices plus the upgrade kit when it comes out ? Not a winning proposition for those of you who are so concerned about $20-30 bucks. I’m not trying to antagonize anyone here, I’m just keeping it real.

Yea, it's one thing to accessorize, it's another thing to have to replace half of the arms. I wouldn't call that "keeping it real."

craggy wrote:...and yet.

It's held by pins; I'd expect an entirely new figure before sets of all new arms.

Maybe they designed it this way on purpose so they could release a "fix" later. Obviously there are people willing to pay for it. Why demand a better product when you can just pay to fix it?

Maybe they designed it this way on purpose so they could release a "fix" later. Obviously there are people willing to pay for it. Why demand a better product when you can just pay to fix it?

njb902 wrote:Maybe they designed it this way on purpose so they could release a "fix" later. Obviously there are people willing to pay for it. Why demand a better product when you can just pay to fix it?

No offense but I would call that a conspiracy theory. A lot of people say the same thing about the TFC Rage of Hercules and Wings of Uranus sets. But in reality, we have no proof whether they did it to make money, or they just listened to the fans. I wasn’t suggesting UT design an upgrade. I was suggesting someone like Dr. Wu, Zenith Forge, SXS, or Iron Factory might want to capitalize on the opportunity.