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Gen Leader Warpath was good but this one will probably cartoon accurate and small like Cliffjumper. I'm excited.

Package refresh on Optimus Prime, because two waves in Earthrise wasnt enough...

SkyFire Prime wrote:Gen Leader Warpath was good but this one will probably cartoon accurate and small like Cliffjumper. I'm excited.

If he is going to be accurate, he'll be Hoist sized.

sol magnus wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:Gen Leader Warpath was good but this one will probably cartoon accurate and small like Cliffjumper. I'm excited.

If he is going to be accurate, he'll be Hoist sized.

Why is everyone convinced this is true? In scenes with Hoist, he's about as tall as Hoist. In scenes with other minibots, he's the same size that they are. Neither size is any more accurate than the other, the cartoon scaling was just terrible.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:Gen Leader Warpath was good but this one will probably cartoon accurate and small like Cliffjumper. I'm excited.

If he is going to be accurate, he'll be Hoist sized.

Why is everyone convinced this is true? In scenes with Hoist, he's about as tall as Hoist. In scenes with other minibots, he's the same size that they are. Neither size is any more accurate than the other, the cartoon scaling was just terrible.

Really? I just finished watching several Season 2 Episodes. He was never shown as 'mini-bot' sized. In the episode I'm mainly referring to "A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court", he was actually taller than Hoist. In Hoist goes Hollywood, it was pretty much the same thing. He was at least as tall as the 'Autobot Cars.' I guess they figured he was a tank, so he couldn't be but so small. I dunno, ask Sunbow.

In the Marvel series, he was more in line with 'minibot' scale as a robot, though.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

I'm not on Season 3 yet. But, really, Season 3 is where the scale goes out the window.

I'm not sure what the strident opposition is about. The 'Masterpiece' Warpaths that have been made 3P have more supported the Hoist sized Warpath.

I'm curious as to which way Hasbro will go, but it's not going to be a dealbreaker for me if he's Brawn sized or whatever.

Honestly, same. My concern is with "X is SUPPOSED to be" a certain height, when size has always been arbitrary. Anything between Brawn and Optimus will be fine in my book.

I think Hasbro have been referring to the scale chart that's been floating around, don't think they've been using episodes for height reference so to speak

I guess this removes the idea of trailerless earthrise prime releases aa a voyager in Kingdom

william-james88 wrote:I guess this removes the idea of trailerless earthrise prime releases aa a voyager in Kingdom

Which lends more credence to the theory that the Walmart listing is for Optimus Primal, not Optimus Prime, and that it's just misspelled.

william-james88 wrote:I guess this removes the idea of trailerless earthrise prime releases aa a voyager in Kingdom

You are aware of just that in Netflix

Autobot N wrote:Not as exciting, but here's the Deluxe AST that was missing from the last two posts

From what I undertand, that isn't an actual figure, just a listing for the general assortment. More of an internal thing for Walmart, not really for us.

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I guess this removes the idea of trailerless earthrise prime releases aa a voyager in Kingdom

Which lends more credence to the theory that the Walmart listing is for Optimus Primal, not Optimus Prime, and that it's just misspelled.

You mean the Target listing. This Walmart listing is spelt correctly.

Anywyaus, Earthrise Optimus being rereleased makes sense since that's the toy we see on the Kingdom Artwork.

SkyFire Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I guess this removes the idea of trailerless earthrise prime releases aa a voyager in Kingdom

You are aware of just that in Netflix

Of course, hence why it made no sense to have that same thing in earthrise.

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Not as exciting, but here's the Deluxe AST that was missing from the last two posts

From what I undertand, that isn't an actual figure, just a listing for the general assortment. More of an internal thing for Walmart, not really for us.

I know, that's why I mentioned the "not as exciting" bit. Just figured I'd post it for completion's sake since most of the other ASTs were leaked earlier.

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I guess this removes the idea of trailerless earthrise prime releases aa a voyager in Kingdom

Which lends more credence to the theory that the Walmart listing is for Optimus Primal, not Optimus Prime, and that it's just misspelled.

You mean the Target listing. This Walmart listing is spelt correctly.

Anywyaus, Earthrise Optimus being rereleased makes sense since that's the toy we see on the Kingdom Artwork.

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Yeah, that's what I meant. And it definitely makes sense to rerelease ER Prime. You've always got to have a Prime in the bigger size classes, and it's not like they could improve much about ER Prime. And having the Leader one means they could put him in Wave 2 so you don't have one of the Wave 1 Leaders repeating.

Hmm... A leader Megatron, I can only think of one version that justifies a Leader class price point, that being Transmetal 2 Megatron, if we do get the Transmetal 2 version, I could see a GS retool into BW Megatron or Cryotek.

Omega-Doom wrote:Hmm... A leader Megatron, I can only think of one version that justifies a Leader class price point, that being Transmetal 2 Megatron, if we do get the Transmetal 2 version, I could see a GS retool into BW Megatron or Cryotek.

The listing says T Rex. The idea is to cover season 1 forms of the cast i believe.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Omega-Doom wrote:Hmm... A leader Megatron, I can only think of one version that justifies a Leader class price point, that being Transmetal 2 Megatron, if we do get the Transmetal 2 version, I could see a GS retool into BW Megatron or Cryotek.

The listing says T Rex. The idea is to cover season 1 forms of the cast i believe.

Well that's disappointing, was hoping we'd get a TM2 version

Omega-Doom wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Omega-Doom wrote:Hmm... A leader Megatron, I can only think of one version that justifies a Leader class price point, that being Transmetal 2 Megatron, if we do get the Transmetal 2 version, I could see a GS retool into BW Megatron or Cryotek.

The listing says T Rex. The idea is to cover season 1 forms of the cast i believe.

Well that's disappointing, was hoping we'd get a TM2 version

Baby steps. It took pretty much Wardens entire reign to finally give some real attention to beast wars, and it is still mixed in with regular G1. So starting with season 1 makes sense. If Kingdom does well, I can certainly see potential for more to come down the line, especially with Warden stepping aside.

Huffer

EDIT: More

Autobot N wrote:Huffer

EDIT: More

So now we're looking at:
Core: Rattrap, Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, 2 Fossilizers
Deluxe (assuming the Target listing count of Deluxes is accurate, since they got Primal's name and the Leader number wrong): Cheetor, Warpath, Blackarachnia, Huffer, Pipes, Slammer, Airazor, Shadow Panther, Tracks, Waspinator, Wheeljack (ER rerelease), Wingfinger (Fossilizer), Ractonite (Fossilizer), 1 other Fossilizer, BW Scorponok, Arcee (ER rerelease)
Voyager: Cyclonus, Optimus Prime Primal, Dinobot, Rhinox, Tigatron, Starscream (ER rerelease), G1 Inferno
Leader: BW Megatron, G1 Galvatron, Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime (ER rerelease)
Unknown size class: Rodimus Prime (presumably Commander Class with trailer)

EDIT: HE FOUND MORE.

Interesting, they might give wheeljacks chest the correct shape. Can't imagine it being a ER repack with him getting a netflix deco but no telling what Hasbro might do,

blackeyedprime wrote:Interesting, they might give wheeljacks chest the correct shape. Can't imagine it being a ER repack with him getting a netflix deco but no telling what Hasbro might do,

Optimus is getting a rerelease and a Netflix version too though, I dunno that those release methods cancel each other out. The only difference is that Netflix OP is missing the trailer and comes with Battlemasters, compared to the version that's getting rereleased.

Would data for the entire line even be in retailers' systems this early? I'm starting to get skeptical.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Would data for the entire line even be in retailers' systems this early? I'm starting to get skeptical.

Yes. And there's never been a time where a retailer listing was actually wrong. There's been a few times where smaller figures were cancelled (T30 Brawn and Gnaw, plus TR Primal and Toraizer), but those figures were confirmed to have existed at some point.