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Not to demean anyone, but a lot of people can't stick with a diet or exercise program and that's why they are still big. Like I said, I've had many, many overweight friends, and a lot of them give up when they don't get results. They've admitted that. I went to the gym 3-4 days a week and busted my butt on the treadmill and did cardio. After losing ONE pound in three weeks, you can say I was discouraged. But I didn't give up. 20 years ago people were not as big as we are now. You can't tell me that genetics is the reason we are big. Maybe some people are more prone to carry a lot of weight, but it's kind of a cop-out when you don't take responsibilities for your lifestyle. And nobody ever said losing weight was easy. It is very, very difficult. I know. I only lost 20 pounds in FOUR MONTHS.

Moonbase2 wrote:Not to demean anyone, but a lot of people can't stick with a diet or exercise program and that's why they are still big. Like I said, I've had many, many overweight friends, and a lot of them give up when they don't get results. They've admitted that. I went to the gym 3-4 days a week and busted my butt on the treadmill and did cardio. After losing ONE pound in three weeks, you can say I was discouraged. But I didn't give up. 20 years ago people were not as big as we are now. You can't tell me that genetics is the reason we are big. Maybe some people are more prone to carry a lot of weight, but it's kind of a cop-out when you don't take responsibilities for your lifestyle. And nobody ever said losing weight was easy. It is very, very difficult. I know. I only lost 20 pounds in FOUR MONTHS.

Again, not everyone can just "do it if you put your mind to it" my for example is really big, but shes been that way her whole life, the rest of her family are large too. Its genetic in her case, especially considering that she used to be a health food nut when she was a kid, and a vaggie at one point as well, but she was still big.

Also, some large people CANT work out even if they wanted to due to other de-abilitating illnesses like fybromyalgia (which my wife has) that arent even connected to her being a big girl.

So yeah, im not trying to be a prick either but im with Autobot032 on this one.

I am not trying to be offensive to anyone. However, I do know it is difficult and I couldn't stick with a diet if my life depended on it. I enjoy food too much to sacrifice what I love. I could've lost more weight had I made that change, but I didn't. And I see people that once weighed hundreds of pounds lose the weight, whether it be from surgery or extremely hard work. It is possible for MOST people. And there's nothing wrong with surgery.

But when people sit around and be miserable instead of being proactive when they COULD lose weight, that is their own fault. Please don't think I'm attacking overweight people. I've been there too, as well as my ma, who lost 60 pounds when she decided enough was enough.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ybfLRFacF-c

Completely relevant to the current conversation.

Goribus wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=ybfLRFacF-c

Completely relevant to the current conversation.

Luckily not one pound of the 20 was lost from there.

Moonbase2 wrote:I am not trying to be offensive to anyone. However, I do know it is difficult and I couldn't stick with a diet if my life depended on it. I enjoy food too much to sacrifice what I love. I could've lost more weight had I made that change, but I didn't. And I see people that once weighed hundreds of pounds lose the weight, whether it be from surgery or extremely hard work. It is possible for MOST people. And there's nothing wrong with surgery.

But when people sit around and be miserable instead of being proactive when they COULD lose weight, that is their own fault. Please don't think I'm attacking overweight people. I've been there too, as well as my ma, who lost 60 pounds when she decided enough was enough.

God, I hate the term "Proactive" so very, very much.

Last time I went to a gym, I couldn't move the next day. I lost no weight, and all I had to show for it was sore muscles.

And, no, it's NOT as easy as going to a gym and lifting a few weights, or running a half a mile a day. Since I will inevitably gain that weight back, when I'm sitting my fat ass in a computer chair, eating nachos, because my hunger pangs make me goes insane.

And no, I have absolutely no interest in "Eating Healthy." I eat my fill at every meal, because if I don't, I will become a very unhappy (Read as: Extreme Rage) person.

I completely understand the eating issue, TRUST ME. I barely eat vegetables and eat no fruits. I eat nothing but crap. I drink Dr. Pepper and eat unhealthy snacks. And I have the love handles to prove it. I ain't "proactive" right now, like I'm preaching. But if I get to the point where I'm unhappy with my appearance, I will hit the gym. I'll be sucking, but it will help. But I will NEVER stop eating the crappy food. It's too delicious.

Shadowman wrote:Last time I went to a gym, I couldn't move the next day. I lost no weight, and all I had to show for it was sore muscles.

And if you gave up, there's a big problem.

It ALWAYS hurts the next day the first time you go. But the more you go the more your muscles become use to it.

Heck even a break of a week and you'll be back to pain the day after you go back. But trust me, that first day of pain is normal and you just have to work through it.

Plus you have to look at what you're doing when you go to the gym, weights is one thing, but it's cardio that burns the weight off and that isn't normally overly painful.

Burn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Last time I went to a gym, I couldn't move the next day. I lost no weight, and all I had to show for it was sore muscles.

And if you gave up, there's a big problem.

It ALWAYS hurts the next day the first time you go. But the more you go the more your muscles become use to it.

Heck even a break of a week and you'll be back to pain the day after you go back. But trust me, that first day of pain is normal and you just have to work through it.

Plus you have to look at what you're doing when you go to the gym, weights is one thing, but it's cardio that burns the weight off and that isn't normally overly painful.

Also, if you're not sore, you didn't really bust your ass. I swear, cardio nearly killed me. I usually did a mile on the treadmill and half hour of weights. No wonder it took so long to lose the damn weight. Cardio was way too intense.

I did the gym scene (in school. We were allowed to use it during Gym class, and after school if we chose to do so.) My Gym teacher helped me, I stuck with a diet for six full months (under my doctor's supervision, cut my calories to 800 per day) and I still couldn't lose past a certain point.

Like I said, I walk, I watch what I eat and I still can't take it all off.

To say I'm not being "proactive" (which is a really irritating word, and I'm so very sorry that Ryan started using it around here, which got everyone else on a kick because it's basically a new word for their vocabulary, even though they should know it on their own by now...) is wrong.

I've taken the reins on this issue and still can't beat it.

And I've got the genetics to prove it (which do actually play a key factor in this issue for a lot of people, otherwise they wouldn't have such a damned difficult time busting their asses to fight it.)

My uncle (dad's side) is 420 pounds.
My great grandmother (dad's side) was 500 pounds. (Diabetic)
My grandfather (dad's side) constantly tipped the scales between 250-275 all the time.

My grandmother (mom's side) 5'2" 215 pounds. (Diabetic)
My grandfather (mom's side) 225 (which is big for a guy his size) (Diabetic)

With both sides of the genetic pool already languishing in Obesity...my chances aren't good. (as shown.)

It's already affected my cousin, exactly the same way it did me. When we were kids (birth to 12-13 years old) we looked like Ethiopian children. Our parents tried to feed us, but we just wouldn't eat. We lost weight like crazy. Doctors made us drink weightlifting weight gain drinks...still nothing. Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

He was 155 (which was his normal target weight at that point) and he's now 310 (and has been for about a decade now) and neither of us can beat the weight off, no matter how hard we try.

Not to mention, on top of the genetics..we also have Thyroid problems (which is what my grandmother (mom's side) has. Caused her to gain her tremendous amount of weight. She used to be 108 pounds, and she's a small, small statured woman.) which wreak havoc on the body, especially the metabolism.

To say that I haven't (when you don't even know what I've been through with this) and many others... is not your call. And it's incredibly rude. No one wants to suffer with the emotional and physical pains involved in weight problems. No one gets up some morning and says "I sure do love the idea of being a fatass. I love a good dose of ridicule in my day. I'm not as important as the next person, f*ck me and my worthless existence." and think otherwise is not only ridiculous, but STUPID. No one paints a bullseye on their forehead and stands in front of a firing squad, so to speak.

You got lucky (and yes, you did) you should be thanking whoever you believe in (including your lucky stars) that you're graced with a thin body and healthy disposition.

It's a shame so many people think their way is the right way and everyone should be like them because they were able to do something we couldn't.

Oh that's right. Science and genetics have no hold on you, you're perfect! Whatever was I thinking? Stupid me!

Autobot032 wrote:Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one hit with weight gain when puberty kicked in.

Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one hit with weight gain when puberty kicked in.

Oh hell no, man. Welcome to the club. It's like a cruel joke from the universe. "Not only will you be awkward and gawky during this phase, but you'll also be riddled with acne and you're gonna have half your weight in ass. Good luck!"

I find it interesting how a thread in which the primary subject of alcohol consumption then turned into a discussion about BBW. Anyhow, personally, I prefer the girls who have just a little bit "extra," especially the ones who drink alcohol with me.

Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one hit with weight gain when puberty kicked in.

I think I'm still riding on that whole crazy young metabolism thing. I haven't gained or lost an ounce in years, but some day it's going to catch me and kick the **** out of me. I knows it.

Autobot032, are you addressing me?? Did I not say that I had to completely bust my fat ass to lose ONE pound?? ONE POUND!!!!!!! In THREE WEEKS!!! That is pitiful! But I kept with it, running along with my 120 pound friend, whom I could barely keep up with. I ran on the treadmill for two minutes maybe, because I got so winded and was afraid everyone would see my butt shaking all over the place. Being a fat woman is so much harder than being a fat man, because a fat man still has worth if he has a good personality, money, a decent job, etc, while a fat woman is just a fat woman.

I was once a very skinny chick, and not one day goes by that I don't wish with every fiber of my being that I fit in my tiny little jeans again. I hate putting on my pants and seeing a muffin top. I hate having fat thighs. I hate how I look, just like you. And I know that no matter what I accomplish, as long as I have that disgusting roll that's what people will look at. See, I'm insecure, too!

And healthy disposition? Bah! I have heart problems that I take a beta blocker for, and I'm scheduled to get a heart monitor put on me next week. Plus all four limbs go numb and become incredibly weak. Hell, it could be the early symptoms of MS. I have many of the others for it! Does that sound healthy to you?? I don't know everything you've been through, and I'm sorry it's such a sensitive issue. Weight always is.

I'm sorry I went off. It shows that all of us have issues.

Moonbase2 wrote:Autobot032, are you addressing me?? Did I not say that I had to completely bust my fat ass to lose ONE pound?? ONE POUND!!!!!!! In THREE WEEKS!!! That is pitiful! But I kept with it, running along with my 120 pound friend, whom I could barely keep up with. I ran on the treadmill for two minutes maybe, because I got so winded and was afraid everyone would see my butt shaking all over the place. Being a fat woman is so much harder than being a fat man, because a fat man still has worth if he has a good personality, money, a decent job, etc, while a fat woman is just a fat woman.

I was once a very skinny chick, and not one day goes by that I don't wish with every fiber of my being that I fit in my tiny little jeans again. I hate putting on my pants and seeing a muffin top. I hate having fat thighs. I hate how I look, just like you. And I know that no matter what I accomplish, as long as I have that disgusting roll that's what people will look at. See, I'm insecure, too!

And healthy disposition? Bah! I have heart problems that I take a beta blocker for, and I'm scheduled to get a heart monitor put on me next week. Plus all four limbs go numb and become incredibly weak. Hell, it could be the early symptoms of MS. I have many of the others for it! Does that sound healthy to you?? I don't know everything you've been through, and I'm sorry it's such a sensitive issue. Weight always is.

I'm sorry I went off. It shows that all of us have issues.

Yes, I was directing that at you. And anyone else who would speak for me and others without knowing all the information at hand, on our weight problems.

I'm sorry to hear about your medical condition. I hope and pray that isn't the case, and I wish you and your family well.

Autobot032 wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:Autobot032, are you addressing me?? Did I not say that I had to completely bust my fat ass to lose ONE pound?? ONE POUND!!!!!!! In THREE WEEKS!!! That is pitiful! But I kept with it, running along with my 120 pound friend, whom I could barely keep up with. I ran on the treadmill for two minutes maybe, because I got so winded and was afraid everyone would see my butt shaking all over the place. Being a fat woman is so much harder than being a fat man, because a fat man still has worth if he has a good personality, money, a decent job, etc, while a fat woman is just a fat woman.

I was once a very skinny chick, and not one day goes by that I don't wish with every fiber of my being that I fit in my tiny little jeans again. I hate putting on my pants and seeing a muffin top. I hate having fat thighs. I hate how I look, just like you. And I know that no matter what I accomplish, as long as I have that disgusting roll that's what people will look at. See, I'm insecure, too!

And healthy disposition? Bah! I have heart problems that I take a beta blocker for, and I'm scheduled to get a heart monitor put on me next week. Plus all four limbs go numb and become incredibly weak. Hell, it could be the early symptoms of MS. I have many of the others for it! Does that sound healthy to you?? I don't know everything you've been through, and I'm sorry it's such a sensitive issue. Weight always is.

I'm sorry I went off. It shows that all of us have issues.

Yes, I was directing that at you. And anyone else who would speak for me and others without knowing all the information at hand, on our weight problems.

I'm sorry to hear about your medical condition. I hope and pray that isn't the case, and I wish you and your family well.

Thank you. Maybe we should put this topic to rest since it's so sensitive.

Moonbase2 wrote:a fat man still has worth if he has a good personality, money, a decent job, etc, while a fat woman is just a fat woman.

HA!

They say they like personality and stability, but at the end of the day the majority of women can't look past the fat rolls.

Burn wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:a fat man still has worth if he has a good personality, money, a decent job, etc, while a fat woman is just a fat woman.

HA!

They say they like personality and stability, but at the end of the day the majority of women can't look past the fat rolls.

That is so true. I see so many overweight women (and I'm talking *heavy*) with skinny/muscular/handsome guys, etc. You don't ever see (save for once, twice, maybe three times in a year) a heavyset guy with a skinny/pretty woman. It's happened on occasion, but generally it doesn't.

What both sides of the issue need to realize (and it's proven)...some of the best sex ever (ever!) comes from heavyset people.

Hell, even Tommy Lee (Motley Crue) endorsed it and said it was some of the best he's ever had. Right up there with Pam.

If people would realize there are good hearts and personalities at the core of that person they just overlooked, that they will be there through thick and thin, and that in the sack...(break yo back!) they'd actually find the person they've always clamored for.

But no. They gotta have that trophy person, no matter what. Then after they've destroyed their bodies from letting themselves go, turn into a piece of sh*t as a person...then they come back around and give *you* a chance. Gee, thanks. I've always wanted a trainwreck.

Jesus Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one hit with weight gain when puberty kicked in.

I think I'm still riding on that whole crazy young metabolism thing. I haven't gained or lost an ounce in years, but some day it's going to catch me and kick the **** out of me. I knows it.

You're 18 right, JP?

When I was 18 I had the same thing. I ate fat stuff all day long and in the weekends I drank beer and vodka till I dropped. Didn't gain a single pound.

I just turned 20 about a week ago. Pounds are flying on me like crazy for the last 9 months

I went from 77 (kilos) to 83...

Sharpwing wrote:

Jesus Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one hit with weight gain when puberty kicked in.

I think I'm still riding on that whole crazy young metabolism thing. I haven't gained or lost an ounce in years, but some day it's going to catch me and kick the **** out of me. I knows it.

You're 18 right, JP?

When I was 18 I had the same thing. I ate fat stuff all day long and in the weekends I drank beer and vodka till I dropped. Didn't gain a single pound.

I just turned 20 about a week ago. Pounds are flying on me like crazy for the last 9 months

I went from 77 (kilos) to 83...

Why you gotta scare me like that?!

Autobot032 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Moonbase2 wrote:a fat man still has worth if he has a good personality, money, a decent job, etc, while a fat woman is just a fat woman.

HA!

They say they like personality and stability, but at the end of the day the majority of women can't look past the fat rolls.

That is so true. I see so many overweight women (and I'm talking *heavy*) with skinny/muscular/handsome guys, etc. You don't ever see (save for once, twice, maybe three times in a year) a heavyset guy with a skinny/pretty woman. It's happened on occasion, but generally it doesn't.

What both sides of the issue need to realize (and it's proven)...some of the best sex ever (ever!) comes from heavyset people.

Hell, even Tommy Lee (Motley Crue) endorsed it and said it was some of the best he's ever had. Right up there with Pam.

If people would realize there are good hearts and personalities at the core of that person they just overlooked, that they will be there through thick and thin, and that in the sack...(break yo back!) they'd actually find the person they've always clamored for.

But no. They gotta have that trophy person, no matter what. Then after they've destroyed their bodies from letting themselves go, turn into a piece of sh*t as a person...then they come back around and give *you* a chance. Gee, thanks. I've always wanted a trainwreck.

I've seen plenty of heavyset men with thinner, pretty women. Some women don't care at all about appearance. If you have something else to offer, most women don't care. Unfortunately, thinner, taller men get more opportunities in life and that helps them get the thinner women as well.

Nobody is saying that you aren't smart, funny, talented, etc, if you are overweight. But in this society it seems to be that thinner people are more valued...which is strange considering that most of us are, well, not. Go figure! And consider this: one reason you may see so many heavier women with thinner guys is because there are more big girls than big guys! Hell, most of us girls aren't thin!

Jesus Prime wrote:

Sharpwing wrote:

Jesus Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one hit with weight gain when puberty kicked in.

I think I'm still riding on that whole crazy young metabolism thing. I haven't gained or lost an ounce in years, but some day it's going to catch me and kick the **** out of me. I knows it.

You're 18 right, JP?

When I was 18 I had the same thing. I ate fat stuff all day long and in the weekends I drank beer and vodka till I dropped. Didn't gain a single pound.

I just turned 20 about a week ago. Pounds are flying on me like crazy for the last 9 months

I went from 77 (kilos) to 83...

Why you gotta scare me like that?!

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH?!

Sharpwing wrote:

Jesus Prime wrote:

Sharpwing wrote:

Jesus Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Then once we hit our teen years...our weight skyrocketed, like crazy. It wasn't literally overnight, but it sure felt like it.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one hit with weight gain when puberty kicked in.

I think I'm still riding on that whole crazy young metabolism thing. I haven't gained or lost an ounce in years, but some day it's going to catch me and kick the **** out of me. I knows it.

You're 18 right, JP?

When I was 18 I had the same thing. I ate fat stuff all day long and in the weekends I drank beer and vodka till I dropped. Didn't gain a single pound.

I just turned 20 about a week ago. Pounds are flying on me like crazy for the last 9 months

I went from 77 (kilos) to 83...

Why you gotta scare me like that?!

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH?!

Moonbase2 wrote:Hell, most of us girls aren't thin!

No, most of you girls have a screwed up definition of fat and thin.