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If Primal had capture the predacons before the beast wars had started?

Uh, there wouldn't have BEEN a Beast Wars. Duh.

He would have taken them back to Cybertron, Dinobot wouldn't have defected and would be alive, no protoforms would have been killed or converted, the Vok would never have found out about Cybertron, Megatron wouldn't have conquered Cybertron and killed everyone, Primal would be alive, the true purpose of the Golden Disk would never have been discovered, Cybertron wouldn't have become techno-organic, and all would be well.

Why do you ask?

Okay then. What if he captured them ON EARTH.

I mean, how would he hold them? What would he do with Dinobot?

Obviously depends WHEN he captures them. But go on, think about it.

Meverix wrote:Okay then. What if he captured them ON EARTH.

I mean, how would he hold them? What would he do with Dinobot?

Obviously depends WHEN he captures them. But go on, think about it.

well im sure he has prisons on his ship...i mean we only saw so much of it on the cartoon.

I dunno so much, After all, Cybertron was allegedly "at peace".

I don't know if he'd have prisons but he might have a cargo hold that would do the job.

Yeah... presumably they had at least a reasonably secure storage area. Was it the Axalon that exiled Rampage? I know it implies it in Dawn of Futures Past, but I can't remember if it was stated in the series.

Ramrider wrote:Yeah... presumably they had at least a reasonably secure storage area. Was it the Axalon that exiled Rampage? I know it implies it in Dawn of Futures Past, but I can't remember if it was stated in the series.

The Axalon's mission was to dump the stasis-locked Rampage on a barren lifeless planet.

Here’s a question: If the Beast Wars had not happened, would the Vok have destroyed the second moon and destroyed all of the energon?

If Primal had captured the Predacons on Earth, presumably shortly into the Beast Wars, it raises a lot of interesting questions.
What to do with them?
Megatron is a criminal and an ongoing threat and would probably have been executed ASAP.
The remaining Predacons would probably have been offered a "Be executed or join us and help us find a way back to Cybertron" option.
Or possibly just put into stasis until they could be returned to Cybertron to stand trial.

As for the Vok destroying the second moon, if there was no Cybertronian interference in their "project" I guess they wouldn't have had a reason to blow up the energon. Although, I have to wonder if the ignition of the energon deposits and the loss of a moon might have had numerous effects on the environment and climate of Earth, and maybe actually be partially responsible for humanity's rise up the evolutionary ranks. So without the Beast Wars, we may not exist. Then again, if Cheetor hadnt taught Jack and Luna (wasnt that their names?) about tools, and if Dinobot hadn't given us our first weapon (hammer), and if Waspinator hadn't given us a sense of social caste and royalty, we wouldnt be here either.

I suppose that without the Beast Wars, the Vok's project would have run its course and reached an end, and humanity would never have risen to dominate the planet, those leaving a likely barren world awaiting the Autobots and Decepticons when they awake inside the Ark. In short, without Beast Wars, G1 isnt possible.

Yeah, that probably makes very little sense, and it's definitely a flight of sheer fancy, but it is an amusing "what if."

The ark would still have an escape pod

Waspinator would become a Maximal. Then might get executed.

Depending when... Primal may leave Rampage on earth surrounded by raw energon. If they didn't spot the humans this could prove disatorous later in G1 verse.

When the Ark finally restarts there would be tons of energon, a nigh immortal maximal (bumblebee sized) and perhaps no humans. G1 Megatron gets a new pet and defeats Prime.

This time it's not Hotrod's fault.

Primal wouldn't have it in him to out-and-out execute Megatron; otherwise he would have done it at the end of the series after 3 years of war. The smart thing to do would be to imprison the Predacons the same way the Combaticons were imprisoned in G1. Barring that, there seems to be some means of reverting a transformer back to helpless protoform stage, so they'd probably be stashed in stasis-pods with Rampage.

If it was early enough, they could have escaped because they could have looted the intact transwarp core from the Darkside, and since the stasis-pods would have still been in orbit, they could have rescued the rest of the Axalon crew.

Since he didn't know he was on Earth, Primal might have decided to dump Rampage's pod on the moon (a barren, lifeless rock in space), making for an interesting story come the 1960s.

Dinobot would have had many adventures on Earth (probably with the Vok antagonizing him) since Primal would have let him stay behind. If in his encounters with the Vok he'd somehow gotten his Transmetal form, he could have conceivably survived to see the present day (though without Rampage's Spark fueling him that would be questionable). Presumably he would eventually have found the protohumans and become their demigod warrior chieftan. As a result, humanity might be much more advanced by the time the Autobots awaken in the 1980s. It's possible we'd also carry some of Dinobot's personality attributes, but frankly, he wouldn't be much different from deities we had back then anyway, so I think culturally we'd be a lot the same.

On Cybertron, the Predacons would face terrible retribution from the Maximals (that was why they sent Ravage to clean up the situation on Earth), so they'd probably arrange Megatron's execution/assassination. Unless Cryotek saved him, that would be the end of that plot-line.

Also, Binaltech Ravage would never exist.

Kinda messed up that if it wasn't for the beast wars humans would have never evolved and the energon radiation would never have subsided!

I always loved how the the maximals helped the humans evolve.

i'ld like to exchange my answers with Caelus

Also Tigertron would likely stay behind as well, perhaps even Airrazor.

Still when 1980s role around, should any of the upgraded be discovered by Megatron, there technology could drastically turn the tide of the war.

Dinobot could become a prototype forOverkill and work with Soundwave... or Tigertron and Airrazor could be the unwitting means to upgrade Ravage and Laserbeak

i'm not sure what to make of a moon stranded Protoform X

AxiomScion wrote:i'm not sure what to make of a moon stranded Protoform X

I guess he'd be a little less scary if he'd scanned the Apollo Moon Lander as his Alt-mode, instead of being upgraded as a Transmetal and getting a hideous crustacean as an alt-mode.

Savage wrote:If Primal had captured the Predacons on Earth, presumably shortly into the Beast Wars, it raises a lot of interesting questions.
What to do with them?
Megatron is a criminal and an ongoing threat and would probably have been executed ASAP.
The remaining Predacons would probably have been offered a "Be executed or join us and help us find a way back to Cybertron" option.
Or possibly just put into stasis until they could be returned to Cybertron to stand trial.

As for the Vok destroying the second moon, if there was no Cybertronian interference in their "project" I guess they wouldn't have had a reason to blow up the energon. Although, I have to wonder if the ignition of the energon deposits and the loss of a moon might have had numerous effects on the environment and climate of Earth, and maybe actually be partially responsible for humanity's rise up the evolutionary ranks. So without the Beast Wars, we may not exist. Then again, if Cheetor hadnt taught Jack and Luna (wasnt that their names?) about tools, and if Dinobot hadn't given us our first weapon (hammer), and if Waspinator hadn't given us a sense of social caste and royalty, we wouldnt be here either.

I suppose that without the Beast Wars, the Vok's project would have run its course and reached an end, and humanity would never have risen to dominate the planet, those leaving a likely barren world awaiting the Autobots and Decepticons when they awake inside the Ark. In short, without Beast Wars, G1 isnt possible.

Yeah, that probably makes very little sense, and it's definitely a flight of sheer fancy, but it is an amusing "what if."

By not interfering with the Vok's experiment or humanities developments, Primal's crew would set a different future for earth, one without human development (as in this universe humans developed with the help of Dinobot & Waspinator). Therefore their post-war Cybertron; heavily influenced by their ancestors relationship with humans, would be very different; neither Prime nor Megatron could return with energon without the humans help, leaving Cybertron depleted of energon due to the war, causing the species to die out/turn offline rapidly & thus either the crew of the Axalon die along with the rest of their species on Cybertron, or not even get a chance to turn online.

So it's kind of a reverse Grandfather paradox, if they didn't go back in time & fight out the full length of the Beast Wars, the Axalons crew would never go online in the first place. They are responsible for their own "birth". Weird to comprehend, eh?

AxiomScion wrote:i'm not sure what to make of a moon stranded Protoform X

Makes sense. Also means that mnore than likely the first thing the Stasis pod could scan for an Alt mode would be the Lunar Module, or a satellite or something. Not the best alt mode for a character of Rampage's persuasion...