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When is it necessary to stop talking peace and diplomacy ?When is it time to stop the peace process and start making war?

Always. Especially if someone is messing with America.

Rodimus_Lantern wrote:Always. Especially if someone is messing with America.

Totally. There are just some people who don't want to talk nice, even if we try to.

Violence is necessary against an opponent that will not listen to reason. Someone who would harm innocents in the name of their god needs to be shot down. Someone who would kill random passerby on the sidewalk in a drive by needs to be shot down. Someone who continues to push women around, slap them needs to be punched out.

If they won't listen to reason, and they're dangerous, it's go time.

Force is necessary when talking fails, or no longer becomes a viable solution.

Simple.

I believe violence is only necessary when someone becomes physical with you first... THEN U BEAT THAT ASS!!

Is violence ever necessary to be instigated?

As long as nobody's does sh!t to you, why be the first to draw blood?


Now to clarify, are you asking about personal responsibility or Political insecurity?

Many, use violence as a way to distract from something else.

A mother bear may charge a rival to distract the attention away from the cubs. Like a politician creates a war to distract the public from something else altogether.

When the opposition is being a dick.....which to be fair, I think is a fairly accurate description.

These days, when isn't it?

Never, violence is never the answer.

Oooh. This is a tough one.

Many would say kill or be killed.
Many would say strike first before they get the chance.
Many would say it was a long time coming, etc.

Self defense? Yes.
First strike? No.

I'm not saying leave yourself open for attack, that's just insanity, but don't go picking fights either. Especially with the wrong crowd.

Violence is necessary at certain points (like when an animal's cornered and they lash out, finally.)

But if peace is possible, then by all means, go for it.

Violence shouldn't be necessary.

However, there are people out there, who don't listen to anything but violence.

You can talk about peace all you want to them. They won't listen. But you slap them around, then they pay attention.

Violence is just plain wrong. Once you hit someone, it's always leads to emergency rooms, arrest for assault and most likely somebody will ends up dead.

I can't condone strikeing first (unless you're absolutely certain that they are planning to strike at you). But if someone else attacks first not only do you finnish it but you make sure it stays that way. Screw eye for an eye, an eye for both hands prevents further attacks.

If someone raises his fist agaisnt me (note fists, if it´s gun or knife, let´s just say I´m brave but not stupid), that person be be ready be on the receving end of my fists too.

Person-to-Person - Turn the cheek as long as possible if they are accosting you, but if they threaten to inflict serious permanent harm, or if they threaten to bring harm to someone you love, fight back without consideration of 'fairness' or 'honor'. i.e., remove the threat to your loved ones as efficiently as possible.

If that's not clear enough, consider the worst possible outcome of your reaction - assume that that will be the outcome of your actions. If you're willing to accept that outcome, then you're probably justified.

Exceptions are of course made for guys that are beating the crap out of eachother to resolve a situation by mutual exhaustion and catharsis, or as part of a 'sport'. In those cases, you are expected to fight fair and honorably, and let go of whatever's bugging you when the fight's over.

Society-to-Society - I won't beat around the bush, as a historian I have to say that war is justified when the other guy has something you need so badly that the casualties you would sustain taking it are 'justified'.

In a society their are rules, norms, and laws which we abide by, that allow us to avoid violence. Essentially, nice guys usually don't finish last.

Between societies there are no such rules. Occasionally we try to form a sort of super-society in order to pass laws regarding warfare and such, but as much as we would like those laws to be binding, they aren't. On a global scale, nice guys get conquered.

If that doesn't bother you, if you're prepared to lose everything you have, including possibly your life, by adhering to your beliefs, then you have my immense respect. Otherwise, be prepared to fight for your survival.

That's why modern terrorists don't make me angry,* or at least, I don't think of them as being particularly evil. As a student of history, I see them doing the same things that so many other groups have done in the past - they just, on the whole, suck at it by comparison to those who proceeded them.

Traditionally, if you break the rules and succeed, you're considered an innovative tactician and a hero who changes the rules of war for centuries to come (see George Washington). If you break the rules and fail, you're considered a war criminal.

Ergo, the defining aspect of a terrorist organization in my mind isn't their motive (that's basically the same as any other civilization, organization, or organism; survive and fluorish) or their tactics (intimidation and fear are the primary weapons of all civilizations), it's their ineffectuality.



*Rest assured, if someone I knew was killed in a terrorist attack I would be angry; I wouldn't, however, be any less angry if they were killed in 'conventional' warfare, by a firebomb, nuke, artillery barrage, landmine, etc.

I have never believed in the first shot,but when talking fails,can't rationalize or be reasoned. Then get rid of the problem makers and get on with a peaceful life. Not necessarily is violence is always the answer.
a-starvation of money
b-no booze,cigarettes or food,let them starve
c-you need help now after you pissed off so many....
this isn't based on politics or religion. Just common peace.
Life isn't perfect,we have our bad moments.
However if someone's life is a constant screw up,or
they're negative constantly,why feed a lost and destructive
cause. We do work hard for what we have and freedom we have.
If someone's only purpose in life is to cause problems,and
they do nothing with their lives...starve them or,make sure
they never come back. grim