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News Credits: 3 · by **LuckytheWonderLlama** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:11 am

Finbot74 wrote:I liked it. There, I'm done. Moving on.

Greatest. Post. Ever.

LOTR was the most mind-numbingly boring movie I have ever had the misfortune to watch. So much so I have yet to see the other two. The first one didn't impress me so I'm not feeding the beast.

The Transformers movie did what it was supposed to do: Entertain ME. (And all of the people that I saw it with, but that's besides the point.)

These people that go around acting all "Upper Crust Superior" because they didn't like the film are probably the same people that went back to the theater two weeks later and made "Chuck and Larry" the number one movie of that week.

News Credits: 3 · by **KoH4711** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:29 am

Finbot74 wrote:Transformers the Epic Movie

Starring:

Anthony Hopkins as Optimus Prime
Al Pacino as Megatron
Robert Deniro as Bumblebee
and Sir Ian McKellen as Wheelie

from a script written posthumously by J.R.R. Tolkien

They should do a sequel by a British director. That way, it would be nothing but Autobots and Decepticons opening doors for two hours.

*door opens*
"What is it, Lieutenant Starscream? I'm arranging Frenzy's parts."
"It's nothing. ...perhaps I should go."
"Yes, I believe you better have."
"Oh, and the Autobots sir. They're here."
"Oh! Do they want a spot of energon?"
"I think they want a bit more than that, sir. They have a flag!"
"Oh, now that's dash cunning of them!"

(Ten points to anyone who gets that. =D )

by **divebomb83** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:15 am

I really enjoyed the movie.

its not totally g1, get over it.

yes it would have been very nice for them to pick a cool g1 comic story which the fans of the comic or general tf fans might recognise, but how would any of these be that approachable to non fans?

also please dont use the why could they have not used mtmte story for the film, the reason it actually is quite a boring story arc.

I, as a tf fan enjoyed the film, my gf who is not a tf fan who wasnt looking forward to the film loved it, just be glad that a film made from the interest of a fanbase for a toyline that arrived in the 80s has had the chance to become a modern day success

by **Conceptron** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:29 am

Spark Light wrote:I was always pretty iffy on the movie, but one thing actually got me really excited over it - back when the Transformers game website was released, it had that epic picture of Prime and Megatron, and the most epic Lord of the Rings style music in the background.

I thought, Wow, maybe this movie will be something special after all, despite Bay directing.

But it really isn't, not like that.

The point is that there are so many terrible, logically unsound defenses for things in the movie, but the worst has to be "It's just an action flick".

Yet I'm harkening back to seeing that page and hearing that music, and feeling really up for it. Amazingly, Transformers did NOT look ridiculous being set to serious, deep, epic music.

This is where the movie went wrong - it COULD have been epic. Lots of tweaks along the way would have helped the feel of the movie towards this end - tidier, more varied designs(too much grey/black), drawing more from the comics, and other things like that, but ultimately, this needed to be a lot huger than it was, instead of being Epic, it was an Epic Fail on that front.

Think about it. Why is Transformers such a silly idea? Why can't it have anything more than a popcorn flick?

It's about two warring alien factions, destroying their world for power, and in their struggle arriving on our world with us torn in between, but trying to hide amongst us all the same.

I don't know about you, but that sounds epic. In fact, it sounds like it could be the start of the most epic story ever made. Have I drilled that in yet?

"Transformers isn't shakespear" - I don't know if you noticed, but even Shakespear was quite whimsical, so it shows people aren't thinking through that comparison at all. It doesn't matter. Transformers fans are the ones who seem to take of note of the fact that they're "Just Toys" - they claim the general public do, but they do it far more often than anyone else.

Why? Probably because we've had to deal with so much **** the last few years. People defending the changes in design, etc., fail to realise that only G1 was really universally liked and loved on *some* level, it was the only Transformers to truly pierce the mainstream, and is still recognisable today; people have already forgotten Armada.

People have had to put up with so much bad "change", watering down, they've never stopped to realise what Transformers COULD be, what changes would actually be best - most of us have become Toy collectors, and have little attatchment to the characters. I've never seen a fanbase so willing to defend a movie that bears a little too much resemblence to the Super Mario Brothers movie in terms of cheesy Hollywood "Getting things somewhat wrong" syndrome.

I feel that thinking Transformers could only be a popcorn flick is where Hollywood went wrong here. We've seen from the G1, G2 comics and Beast Wars that Transformers can be epic. You could make an epic movie out of Tetris if you wanted to - something that's already BEEN well developed getting something with such a weak plot is just sad.

I wanted Transformers to be something really special. Something to fill children and adults alike with wonder and love for these amazing characters and where they're coming from.

You all thought that changing the designs was necessary for making it "Not for Kids", but what I'm saying is what needed to be done, and you know it. It's not even that much to do with the designs, if you want a Mature Transformers movie, you have a mature plot and well developed characters. This movie fell below the G1 Cartoon in some of those respects, which isn't something to celebrate.

The Decepticons should not have been monsters, they should have gone the opposite direction - an opposing faction that aren't necessarily always wrong, but are still more or less "The Bad Guys". Moral ambiguity. Decepticons we can relate to. One thing they should have taken out of Armada(Starscream). The focus should not have been on stereotypical, relatively uninteresting humans.

I'm sorry for not conforming to the ridiculous notion that the characters and universe I love are nothing but a folly. I'm sorry for the fans that feel the same way I do and have managed to persevere being active through this for a lot longer than I have.

Man, so much of what you have said just can't be admitted by these so-called 'fans'. I cannot call a guy a Trans Fan if he says the Bayformer movie is a 'perfect intro movie' or that Transformers is just a show to sell toys and is supposed to be a slapstick comedy. The reason why G1 was so great was because of CHARACTERS, not graphics or horrible comedy. So, all you people defending this Bay movie which has insulted all that was good of Transformers....I really feel sorry for you guys.

by **CJH** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:54 am

Conceptron wrote:Man, so much of what you have said just can't be admitted by these so-called 'fans'. I cannot call a guy a Trans Fan if he says the Bayformer movie is a 'perfect intro movie' or that Transformers is just a show to sell toys and is supposed to be a slapstick comedy. The reason why G1 was so great was because of CHARACTERS, not graphics or horrible comedy. So, all you people defending this Bay movie which has insulted all that was good of Transformers....I really feel sorry for you guys.

And I feel sorry for you for seeing any entertainment value in something that is clearly entertaining millions worldwide.
G1 was about the CHARACTERS was it... I seem to remember plots regularly following a set path: "Oh no, the Decepticons are planning to take X energy resource!" "Megatron must be stopped." - Big battle - "Starscream you fool!" "I'll get you next time Prime!"
Not to mention characters simply appeared, as if from nowhere, with absolutely no backstory whatsoever, we just have to accept this new *cough* toy for what he is.
And one line that sticks in my head, not sure why, from the original series 1.. Sunstreaker gets his paint scratched in a battle and is complaining people might see it.. Spike charismatically quips: "It's okay, just make left turns!" Hahahahahhahahaah-cough-hahaha.
And that isn't cheese-worthy comedy?

by **divebomb83** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:57 am

CJH wrote:
Conceptron wrote:Man, so much of what you have said just can't be admitted by these so-called 'fans'. I cannot call a guy a Trans Fan if he says the Bayformer movie is a 'perfect intro movie' or that Transformers is just a show to sell toys and is supposed to be a slapstick comedy. The reason why G1 was so great was because of CHARACTERS, not graphics or horrible comedy. So, all you people defending this Bay movie which has insulted all that was good of Transformers....I really feel sorry for you guys.

And I feel sorry for you for seeing any entertainment value in something that is clearly entertaining millions worldwide.
G1 was about the CHARACTERS was it... I seem to remember plots regularly following a set path: "Oh no, the Decepticons are planning to take X energy resource!" "Megatron must be stopped." - Big battle - "Starscream you fool!" "I'll get you next time Prime!"
Not to mention characters simply appeared, as if from nowhere, with absolutely no backstory whatsoever, we just have to accept this new *cough* toy for what he is.
And one line that sticks in my head, not sure why, from the original series 1.. Sunstreaker gets his paint scratched in a battle and is complaining people might see it.. Spike charismatically quips: "It's okay, just make left turns!" Hahahahahhahahaah-cough-hahaha.
And that isn't cheese-worthy comedy?

yes lovely characters in the toon, grimlock for example?

by **Finbot74** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:43 am

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They should do a sequel by a British director. That way, it would be nothing but Autobots and Decepticons opening doors for two hours.

*door opens*
"What is it, Lieutenant Starscream? I'm arranging Frenzy's parts."
"It's nothing. ...perhaps I should go."
"Yes, I believe you better have."
"Oh, and the Autobots sir. They're here."
"Oh! Do they want a spot of energon?"
"I think they want a bit more than that, sir. They have a flag!"
"Oh, now that's dash cunning of them!"

(Ten points to anyone who gets that. =D )[/quote]

That is hilarious. I could see that in my mind as I read it. I've obviously watched too much BBC. Where's my ten points.

by **Finbot74** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:50 am

Ok, fine. You don't like the movie. You're disappointed. You have every right to be. But I gotta tell ya, you are seriously in the minority. That's fine. It's your opinion. I personally loved the movie. There are a couple of things in it I would have changed but I can say that about every movie I like.

News Credits: 4 · by **Briggs** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:35 am

There goes COnceptron spouting off about "True fans" again, the guy who hovers around the movie boards on every site but rarely, if at all, seen participate in any other section of the forums. You'd think for such a true fan he/she would enjoy other areas of the boards. Always the movie forum, even though he hates bay and 2007 movie so much. Weeeeeeeeeeeeird.

The more you spout off, the more people come to defend something they enjoyed, and you usually end up *losing*, but thanks for getting people to come out of their shells and say how much they loved it and why they loved it and what they never would have changed, instead of it just being in their head, now its here for everyone to see. And you KNOW there are a lot of people doing that, on every most boards you visit.

So in essence, thanks for helping promote the movie, you are a great contributor to the TF Live Action cause.

by **Coolyfett** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:45 am

Briggs wrote:There goes COnceptron spouting off about "True fans" again, the guy who hovers around the movie boards on every site but rarely, if at all, seen participate in any other section of the forums. You'd think for such a true fan he/she would enjoy other areas of the boards. Always the movie forum, even though he hates bay and 2007 movie so much. Weeeeeeeeeeeeird.

The more you spout off, the more people come to defend something they enjoyed, and you usually end up *losing*, but thanks for getting people to come out of their shells and say how much they loved it and why they loved it and what they never would have changed, instead of it just being in their head, now its here for everyone to see. And you KNOW there are a lot of people doing that, on every most boards you visit.

So in essence, thanks for helping promote the movie, you are a great contributor to the TF Live Action cause.

LOL I fear the wounds are fatal.......

News Credits: 104 · by **Cyber Bishop** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:51 am

wingdarkness wrote:Pretty good thread...Other than sifting thru Blackout apologising for Bay and almost every questionable element of this film it was an enjoyavble read...

After receiving a complaint this boarders on trolling baiting.

The Rules wrote:1. No flaming, trolling, harassing, or baiting other guests.
Flaming should be self evident, trolling means to make posts or threads for the intended purpose of starting an argument, while baiting is any post intended to make another user resort to flaming. Harassment means following a user or group of users around through multiple threads to flame them, bait them, or otherwise cause them to want to avoid the boards because of a user's actions towards them. If there is a discussion and there ends up some sort of disagreement on someone's personal opinion, simply try and respect each others opinions without forcing them on others.

by **zemper** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:57 am

Conceptron wrote:So, all you people defending this Bay movie which has insulted all that was good of Transformers....I really feel sorry for you guys.

hey, naturally i'm a good guy, but i get pretty iffy with you saying this. this is not an opinion about the movie itself, but a crude and i should say, immature generalization about the people who liked the movie.

why should you feel sorry? that's a tad pretentious, i'm sorry to say that. please keep your opinions about people who liked, or even DEFENDED the movie, to yourself. i'm putting this nicely without trying to be rude.

oh, and calling the people here 'so-called fans'? please! TF fans are TF fans, whether you prefer the movie or the G1/BW/etc. animated series.

by **Sonray** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:08 am

Conceptron wrote:
Man, so much of what you have said just can't be admitted by these so-called 'fans'. I cannot call a guy a Trans Fan if he says the Bayformer movie is a 'perfect intro movie' or that Transformers is just a show to sell toys and is supposed to be a slapstick comedy. The reason why G1 was so great was because of CHARACTERS, not graphics or horrible comedy. So, all you people defending this Bay movie which has insulted all that was good of Transformers....I really feel sorry for you guys.

And here we have another troll, who likes to do nothing but call all fans of the movie non-tf fans and basically deems us as low-brow red-neck morons for liking a film that entertained us.

Seriously....mods....how can you let this go on? These users are clearly breaking the TOS, so why havnt you banned them yet? This is insane that us real forum users have to put up with all this bullshit from these trolls for so long.

They are flaming, baiting, being offensive and insulting other users. I dont see what needs to be discussed or debated as to wether or not they should be delt with accordingly?

News Credits: 4 · by **Briggs** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:10 am

Sonray wrote:They are flaming, baiting, being offensive and insulting other users. I dont see what needs to be discussed or debated as to wether or not they should be delt with accordingly?

And end up making me flame and be mean and get in trouble, otherwise I'd be a good little boy!

by **Sonray** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:14 am

Briggs wrote:
Sonray wrote:They are flaming, baiting, being offensive and insulting other users. I dont see what needs to be discussed or debated as to wether or not they should be delt with accordingly?

And end up making me flame and be mean and get in trouble, otherwise I'd be a good little boy!

Thats called "baiting" my dear.

by **zemper** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:18 am

Sonray wrote:
Conceptron wrote:
Man, so much of what you have said just can't be admitted by these so-called 'fans'. I cannot call a guy a Trans Fan if he says the Bayformer movie is a 'perfect intro movie' or that Transformers is just a show to sell toys and is supposed to be a slapstick comedy. The reason why G1 was so great was because of CHARACTERS, not graphics or horrible comedy. So, all you people defending this Bay movie which has insulted all that was good of Transformers....I really feel sorry for you guys.

And here we have another troll, who likes to do nothing but call all fans of the movie non-tf fans and basically deems us as low-brow red-neck morons for liking a film that entertained us.

Seriously....mods....how can you let this go on? These users are clearly breaking the TOS, so why havnt you banned them yet? This is insane that us real forum users have to put up with all this bullshit from these trolls for so long.

They are flaming, baiting, being offensive and insulting other users. I dont see what needs to be discussed or debated as to wether or not they should be delt with accordingly?

because we have the best TF mods in the internet, in my honest opinion. because our mods do their best to keep discussion free-flowing rather than act like Nazis and lock people down the first sign that they're about to break a rule or two. the mods here do their best to uplift democracy and freedom of speech, and i for one, deeply appreciate them for that.

but i agree with Sonray. mods, please do kindly deal with these people. i guess it is time to enforce the rules here to the extent of what you feel should be necessary to preserve the enjoyment of posters here.

i normally wouldn't go this far, but i guess we can only take so much.

the sad thing about this, is that IF they ever get banned, they might move into another forum and say bad things about the mods & the people here.

by **Sonray** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:30 am

zemper wrote:
because we have the best TF mods in the internet, in my honest opinion. because our mods do their best to keep discussion free-flowing rather than act like Nazis and lock people down the first sign that they're about to break a rule or two. the mods here do their best to uplift democracy and freedom of speech, and i for one, deeply appreciate them for that.

but i agree with Sonray. mods, please do kindly deal with these people. i guess it is time to enforce the rules here to the extent of what you feel should be necessary to preserve the enjoyment of posters here.

i normally wouldn't go this far, but i guess we can only take so much.

the sad thing about this, is that IF they ever get banned, they might move into another forum and say bad things about the mods & the people here.

I fully agree with you there, and its good to see mods actually make informed decisions for once, instead of acting like the usuall power drunk delusional nazis that i have come accross in my time so i am also grateful to them.

But they have already received complaints regarding the users in question, and the offending threads, and its been a good 3 or 4 days now and considering how out of control these people are getting and how many users are being insulted and offended by what they are saying and doing i think it is time to take action.

And if they go and mouth us off on other forums, then thats up to the users of those forums to decide if they want to listen to them or not. Considering the TF community is quite tightly knit together however, i doubt many would believe anything negative they might try to say about us at this point.

by **wingdarkness** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:15 pm

Seriously....mods....how can you let this go on? These users are clearly breaking the TOS, so why havnt you banned them yet? This is insane that us real forum users have to put up with all this bullshit from these trolls for so long.

They are flaming, baiting, being offensive and insulting other users. I dont see what needs to be discussed or debated as to wether or not they should be delt with accordingly

@Sunray -You are sad...You are one of the lamest people I have ever met on a forum board...An Admin Rat...Beast Wars style I guess...You'll never put me in the category of troll, because my posts per average have more content then you'll ever understand...Think about the 1 person in this thread who is continously insulting, causing problems, and threatening people with fake-mod powers and ratfink cheerleading, then acting like "Oh geee-willikers I'm the voice of reason" Please, be a father to your own son...We don't want another Dad Ok...

@Cyber Bishop - I live in Algiers dude...Is the server based in New Orleans aswell or just you??

Additionally I understand your point that was borderline, my Blackout comment, but I'm glad you can differentiate between passionate dissention and purposeful hate-mongering...Honestly though the opposing side has just as much right to voice their gripes as the movie-loving side has the right to post glowing reviews every thread...If you don't wanna join the dissention, I think it's beyond obvious that members like Sonray and others simply stay out of these threads...We have the right to make threads in the movie forum that breakdown the negative aspects of the movie..Nothing seems wrong to me about the first post of this thread and what it asks (Hell 7 pages later it seems you agree)...Amoung the dung-throwing has been some really good points from both sides...

by **Nightracer GT** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:58 pm

Well Sparklight, we're more or less argueing the same point now.

You say my examples of epics trying too hard and failing are bad examples, but I say your examples of good epics that work fit my bill of epics happening on their own.

Die Hard was epic. Very much so. Because all it tried to do was tell an exciting story. Writers know when they have an epic on their hands, and of course they go with it. That's usually the feeling you get when you know the material is on the right track.

I don't think they set out to make an epic with Die Hard. And I also don't think they set out to make an epic with TF's. It still wasn't epic, but that's because of the MTV nature you described.

I'm glad they didn't try to make it epic, because it would have shown, and been lame.

It's too bad that it didn't become epic on it's own, and it could have with better writing, yes.

But I'm glad they didn't try for it.

@Wingdarkness and Sonray:

You know I'm the only Voice of Reason around here, right? :wink:

by **Sonray** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:05 pm

Dark Zarak wrote:@Wingdarkness and Sonray:

You know I'm the only Voice of Reason around here, right?

Im not even reading any of his posts anymore, as they are nothing but trolling flame-bait material and i wont stoop to that level. I'll let the mods deal with him.

But as far as voice of reasoning goes i think you and i are on the right track.

by **Coolyfett** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:40 pm

Sonray wrote:
Dark Zarak wrote:@Wingdarkness and Sonray:

You know I'm the only Voice of Reason around here, right?

Im not even reading any of his posts anymore, as they are nothing but trolling flame-bait material and i wont stoop to that level. I'll let the mods deal with him.

But as far as voice of reasoning goes i think you and i are on the right track.

See....And knowing is half the battle G I JOOOOOOOOEEEEEE! :lol:

by **Nugget** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:01 pm

We have the right to make threads in the movie forum that breakdown the negative aspects of the movie..

Your right, you do have the right to break down the negatives. But why not keep it in one thread? I'm not saying that you start these open ended debate threads. But alot of the back and forth hostility is because the same threads keep getting repeated over and over again.

We don't have to agree about the details. If we did we'd live in a world of mediocrity.

However ranting and jamming ones opinions down each others throat will get tiresome and frustrating. Especially when its done repetitively in multiple threads.

Keep the reviews in the Sticky, thats why its there.

And when your done with the banter buy the man a beer and throw some darts.

by **wingdarkness** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:50 am

nugget wrote:
We have the right to make threads in the movie forum that breakdown the negative aspects of the movie..

Your right, you do have the right to break down the negatives. But why not keep it in one thread? I'm not saying that you start these open ended debate threads. But alot of the back and forth hostility is because the same threads keep getting repeated over and over again.

We don't have to agree about the details. If we did we'd live in a world of mediocrity.

However ranting and jamming ones opinions down each others throat will get tiresome and frustrating. Especially when its done repetitively in multiple threads.

Keep the reviews in the Sticky, thats why its there.

And when your done with the banter buy the man a beer and throw some darts.

Like I said I'm fairly new here and can't pretend to understand the history of thread topics and tendencies of EVERY MEMBER(although I've figured out the core of a few members as I assume they think they've figured me out)...I mean when you do that you kinda personalize the forum on your level forgetting new members and random guests exist that you don't have the right to necessarily speak for...Then you have people whose recipe for understanding is to do the same things they are accusing the other side of doing and since they have a slew of supporters or people who agree with their POV it's a free-card to be an a$$ on the "popular-side" as oppose to an a$$ on the "non-popular-side"...Me I throw that $hit outta the window and respect everyones right to post their mind even when I don't like their efforts...

To be fair, negative threads about this movie seem almost non-existent to me compared to the atmosphere of the rest of this forum...I see a helluva lot of "Did you like this, did you like that" threads then negative ones...Bottomline though I don't think much is wrong with going at it with a member or two in a passionate debate then as you said drink a beer and throw some darts with them later on (That's how I grew up)...but all bets are off once random members wanna throw down the fake-hammers and play police academy with no badge to speak of...

With that, that'll be my last comment on this aspect of the conversation unless it's specifically responded to and hopefully the thread will move back into it's orginal topic...

by **YouFearGalvatron** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:49 pm

Spark Light wrote:I was always pretty iffy on the movie, but one thing actually got me really excited over it - back when the Transformers game website was released, it had that epic picture of Prime and Megatron, and the most epic Lord of the Rings style music in the background.

I thought, Wow, maybe this movie will be something special after all, despite Bay directing.

But it really isn't, not like that.

The point is that there are so many terrible, logically unsound defenses for things in the movie, but the worst has to be "It's just an action flick".

Yet I'm harkening back to seeing that page and hearing that music, and feeling really up for it. Amazingly, Transformers did NOT look ridiculous being set to serious, deep, epic music.

This is where the movie went wrong - it COULD have been epic. Lots of tweaks along the way would have helped the feel of the movie towards this end - tidier, more varied designs(too much grey/black), drawing more from the comics, and other things like that, but ultimately, this needed to be a lot huger than it was, instead of being Epic, it was an Epic Fail on that front.

Think about it. Why is Transformers such a silly idea? Why can't it have anything more than a popcorn flick?

It's about two warring alien factions, destroying their world for power, and in their struggle arriving on our world with us torn in between, but trying to hide amongst us all the same.

I don't know about you, but that sounds epic. In fact, it sounds like it could be the start of the most epic story ever made. Have I drilled that in yet?

"Transformers isn't shakespear" - I don't know if you noticed, but even Shakespear was quite whimsical, so it shows people aren't thinking through that comparison at all. It doesn't matter. Transformers fans are the ones who seem to take of note of the fact that they're "Just Toys" - they claim the general public do, but they do it far more often than anyone else.

Why? Probably because we've had to deal with so much **** the last few years. People defending the changes in design, etc., fail to realise that only G1 was really universally liked and loved on *some* level, it was the only Transformers to truly pierce the mainstream, and is still recognisable today; people have already forgotten Armada.

People have had to put up with so much bad "change", watering down, they've never stopped to realise what Transformers COULD be, what changes would actually be best - most of us have become Toy collectors, and have little attatchment to the characters. I've never seen a fanbase so willing to defend a movie that bears a little too much resemblence to the Super Mario Brothers movie in terms of cheesy Hollywood "Getting things somewhat wrong" syndrome.

I feel that thinking Transformers could only be a popcorn flick is where Hollywood went wrong here. We've seen from the G1, G2 comics and Beast Wars that Transformers can be epic. You could make an epic movie out of Tetris if you wanted to - something that's already BEEN well developed getting something with such a weak plot is just sad.

I wanted Transformers to be something really special. Something to fill children and adults alike with wonder and love for these amazing characters and where they're coming from.

You all thought that changing the designs was necessary for making it "Not for Kids", but what I'm saying is what needed to be done, and you know it. It's not even that much to do with the designs, if you want a Mature Transformers movie, you have a mature plot and well developed characters. This movie fell below the G1 Cartoon in some of those respects, which isn't something to celebrate.

The Decepticons should not have been monsters, they should have gone the opposite direction - an opposing faction that aren't necessarily always wrong, but are still more or less "The Bad Guys". Moral ambiguity. Decepticons we can relate to. One thing they should have taken out of Armada(Starscream). The focus should not have been on stereotypical, relatively uninteresting humans.

I'm sorry for not conforming to the ridiculous notion that the characters and universe I love are nothing but a folly. I'm sorry for the fans that feel the same way I do and have managed to persevere being active through this for a lot longer than I have.

I have to agree, on ALL points.

That is why I am upset with the film...it was no epic ENOUGH, among other things...

EDIT: Wow. WINGDARKNESS, you are my f****** hero man!

As V said in V For Vendetta: "If you feel, how I feel..If you see, what I see..."

You said what needs to be said, and what often is silenced. You may not have 25,000 posts to your name, but to me, that is of no consequence: when someone is RIGHT, and speaking the TRUTH...post numbers cease to matter.

You rule.

by **Riotflea** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:55 pm

roy_flagg00 wrote:I watched a movie called "blue chips" last night, and nick nolte, the main character, a basketball coach, said something I think that really encapsulates my problem with the movie perfectly:"you can't win half assed"
I keep hearing people say, "it made money", or "it was not a deep movie, but it was not meant to be".
thats crap.
lord of the rings and harry potter exhibit that you can have a mature plot, well developed characters, even a dark atmosphere, and still have the movie considered to be "family friendly" and have mass appeal.
"masters of the universe", remember that one?
in my opinion, some of dolph lundgren's and frank langella's best acting, pretty good story, but bad direction.
that movie could have been great, but the did it half assed.
the sad part is that transformers, with all the new special effects, is for me still comparable with "masters of the universe", and did not outdo it's predecessor in terms of plot, character development, or scale.
scale being the fact that the most recent transformers movie took place on one planet, the cartoon movie took place on 4.

Indeed.

This movie was nothing more than Masters of the Universe, or Super Mario Brothers, or the attempt by Disney in the early 90's to make Sailor Moon with Mars in a wheelchair, Sailor Jupiter BLACK, etc etc... (luckily, the promo trailer was met with horrified screams by fans at an anime convention, and the project scrapped).

Indeed, Transformers was RIPE with content to create an epic movie (and god damn it, one that could also have generated insane ticket sales)... but it did not come to pass.

Your right, you do have the right to break down the negatives. But why not keep it in one thread? I'm not saying that you start these open ended debate threads. But alot of the back and forth hostility is because the same threads keep getting repeated over and over again.

We don't have to agree about the details. If we did we'd live in a world of mediocrity.

However ranting and jamming ones opinions down each others throat will get tiresome and frustrating. Especially when its done repetitively in multiple threads.

The movie was advertised down our throats.
The rave reviews of the easily amused was jammed down our throats, repetitively and multiple times by identical individuals.
So what? So those who have a negative emotion must be silenced to one thread?
LOL, good sir!

But they have already received complaints regarding the users in question, and the offending threads, and its been a good 3 or 4 days now and considering how out of control these people are getting and how many users are being insulted and offended by what they are saying and doing i think it is time to take action.

Oh, Sonray. How did I know I was reading your post?
Your way of thinking just scares the absolute hell out of me.

BUT... on a good note... you do not hold any power here.

They are flaming, baiting, being offensive and insulting other users. I dont see what needs to be discussed or debated as to wether or not they should be delt with accordingly?

This from the person who considers "baiting" being the expression of an alternate view, "being offensive" saying it more than once, all the while arguing with people about things they say about the other side that they have not said, or in any significant / recent level.

I have considered reporting you however, though I realized that your inclusion in these discussions add ammunition to the people you differ in view with.

I fully agree with you there, and its good to see mods actually make informed decisions for once, instead of acting like the usuall power drunk delusional nazis that i have come accross in my time so i am also grateful to them.

The same. I've been astonished at their level of not bowing to the movie makers observing this website, at their not silencing anyone who might make them sad or angry.
(Hell, Seib's confronting Don Murphy's childish put-downs of "geewhunners" is WHY I joined this site).
Though based on repeated, uh, "comments"... I find your mutual love of this way of thinking a bit contradictory.