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Sonray wrote:

Burn wrote:DUDE! Seriously! Stop! You and I share similar views on this movie and some of the people who have criticized it but come on!

Look at what you just posted! You threaten to call the Mods on Phategod1 for what he said to you, directly after you tell him he doesn't deserve to breathe!

Stop it man. Take a step back and breathe some of that air yourself, because in all honesty, you ARE turning into the troll wingdarkness claims you to be. And I know you're better than that. Just let things go.

Actually i warned him that if he is going to go around and use peoples disabilities against them then he doesnt deserve the air that he breathes IMO.

That meant if he starts to go around and make fun of or use something against someone like the aforementioned mental illnesses then i will report him to the moderators, as that is just unnacceptable and completley out of order.

I dont see what is so bad about warning someone who is threatening to make fun out of someones illness...

If you was in a wheelchair (as an example) how would you feel if someone just decided to go around and start threatening to start flaming you and bring it up to use against you everytime they see you post a comment?

I was just giving a warning that was all because if he does wish to go that route, he can expect a PM from the mods.

We know what you're saying dude, but just leave it.
I agree with what you're saying but there's no reason to go any further with this.

LT.Zerge wrote:*walks through the flaming rubble that is this topic*

I'll have to side with quite a few peeps on this topic as to bay, isn't a technically good director. He makes his movies to entertain and make money, he was a commercial director before.. no? I don't like bay to much because I generally enjoy more thought provoking movies, but alot of people liked it and it appeals to it's target audiance well. I'll put this more objectively then I have before

BAY+
-action sequencenses that really keep you on the edge of your seat
-Many have stated that he directs some of the best most insane/entertaining chase scenes of any director
-His movies are easy to wrap your head around and generally have a smooth linear plot
-the guy knows how to make money

Bay-
-Shallow plots, easy to get around but some argue to easy
-Possibly to much action that drowns out the actual POINT of the movie, you begin to think the actuall name of the movie was "johnies explodin cars live!"
-Becomes to self centered around making mony and what he thinks people want to actuall concider many of others opinions, though it is "his movie" it is supposed to be made for the public. but some fans forget this point aswell

-zerge out

Good way to get your point accross. But i dont understand why people hold making money against him. If you have a job you work because you want the money, you dont work because you like it (well few do). Most if not ALL directors are in the business for the money, the fame, or both. There are very few that do it for art's sake, and all of them make movies that dont make any money anyway, or are rarely seen.

The whole POINT of the movie industry is, infact, the make LOAD OF MONEY so why do people hold this against him when the entire movie business's purpose revolves around doing so? If movies didnt make money....well we wouldnt have movies, or the industry would be full of artsy fartsy type of films, and transformers would have been turned into a Period drama set in england back in Victorian times.

I think we can all agree that nobody would want that.

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Burn wrote:DUDE! Seriously! Stop! You and I share similar views on this movie and some of the people who have criticized it but come on!

Look at what you just posted! You threaten to call the Mods on Phategod1 for what he said to you, directly after you tell him he doesn't deserve to breathe!

Stop it man. Take a step back and breathe some of that air yourself, because in all honesty, you ARE turning into the troll wingdarkness claims you to be. And I know you're better than that. Just let things go.

Actually i warned him that if he is going to go around and use peoples disabilities against them then he doesnt deserve the air that he breathes IMO.

That meant if he starts to go around and make fun of or use something against someone like the aforementioned mental illnesses then i will report him to the moderators, as that is just unnacceptable and completley out of order.

I dont see what is so bad about warning someone who is threatening to make fun out of someones illness...

If you was in a wheelchair (as an example) how would you feel if someone just decided to go around and start threatening to start flaming you and bring it up to use against you everytime they see you post a comment?

I was just giving a warning that was all because if he does wish to go that route, he can expect a PM from the mods.

We know what you're saying dude, but just leave it.
I agree with what you're saying but there's no reason to go any further with this.

I know, and i didnt intend to i just wanted to make sure someone understood. Mission accomplished.

Back onto topic..i hope Bay doesnt make a POP movie...that will just suck so hard...its not his type of movie...for a start theres no cars or meteors or people swearing in those days..

Sonray wrote:Actually i warned him that if he is going to go around and use peoples disabilities against them then he doesnt deserve the air that he breathes IMO.

That meant if he starts to go around and make fun of or use something against someone like the aforementioned mental illnesses then i will report him to the moderators, as that is just unnacceptable and completley out of order.

I dont see what is so bad about warning someone who is threatening to make fun out of someones illness...

And telling a person they don't deserve to breathe isn't completely out of order?

Burn wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually i warned him that if he is going to go around and use peoples disabilities against them then he doesnt deserve the air that he breathes IMO.

That meant if he starts to go around and make fun of or use something against someone like the aforementioned mental illnesses then i will report him to the moderators, as that is just unnacceptable and completley out of order.

I dont see what is so bad about warning someone who is threatening to make fun out of someones illness...

And telling a person they don't deserve to breathe isn't completely out of order?

Not in comparison. I have zero tolerance for those kinds of people, as i have had to deal with them all my life.

But anyway, im finished with that part of the discussion now, moving on. (its actually quite easy if you try)

Sonray wrote:But anyway, im finished with that part of the discussion now, moving on. (its actually quite easy if you try)

Yes, please do.

Sonray you sir are not a troll or, a I-bully (I just made that up people feel free to use it) But I must admit you are one annoying person. Get a grip on life, its funny how some one can take so much offense to something that has no bearing on your life. You make Don Murphy seem like a joy to be around. I've seen you imposing your definite will in other threads throughout this board and your not a troll your just so narrow minded that anyone who doesn't agree with you or like what you like is a moron or stupid, whatever you own or do is the best and everything else sucks, I swear dude you need to run for public office and make a difference in all our lives. and at the risk of being modded (I've had people like the might murph and a few of his "Stooges" call for my head before.) If you focus more on getting better and less on Directors who don't deserve to sniff Ridley Scott's Jock strap you'd be better off. (For the love of God will someone lock this bloody thread)

Phategod1 wrote:Sonray you sir are not a troll or, a I-bully (I just made that up people feel free to use it) But I must admit you are one annoying person. Get a grip on life, its funny how some one can take so much offense to something that has no bearing on your life. You make Don Murphy seem like a joy to be around. I've seen you imposing your definite will in other threads throughout this board and your not a troll your just so narrow minded that anyone who doesn't agree with you or like what you like is a moron or stupid, whatever you own or do is the best and everything else sucks, I swear dude you need to run for public office and make a difference in all our lives. and at the risk of being modded (I've had people like the might murph and a few of his "Stooges" call for my head before.) If you focus more on getting better and less on Directors who don't deserve to sniff Ridley Scott's Jock strap you'd be better off. (For the love of God will someone lock this bloody thread)

Aw man... We'd just got this discussion to stop!
Look, I suggest from now on no one should should post unless It's on topic.
Hell we should have been doing that in the first place.

Justicity wrote:Look, I suggest from now on no one should should post unless It's on topic.

This post makes baby Jesus Prime cry.

Agreed wholeheartedly i just knew this thread was a powder keg when I saw the Title I wished it had been locked a Days ago before I got swept into maelstrom of flames and such.

Phategod1 wrote:Agreed wholeheartedly i just knew this thread was a powder keg when I saw the Title I wished it had been locked a Days ago before I got swept into maelstrom of flames and such.

Swept into them and making more in return by the looks of it. Peh "i-bully" thats rich.

You are now on my "people to ignore" list.

Moving on now?

Sonray wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:Agreed wholeheartedly i just knew this thread was a powder keg when I saw the Title I wished it had been locked a Days ago before I got swept into maelstrom of flames and such.

Swept into them and making more in return by the looks of it. Peh "i-bully" thats rich.

You are now on my "people to ignore" list.

Back on topic would anyone care to talk about my comment about the Director who is not worthy to smell Ridley Scotts Jock Strap? (NOTE: it best not to announce your ignoring a person and actually just ignore them escpially when there not talking (or typing) to you in the 1st place.)

Urgh...whatever. I am not argueing with anyone anymore as it has really gotten out of hand, and i am just sick and tired of seeing the worst in people and dealing with nasty people.

Things have been said on both sides that shouldnt have, but its all in the past now and nothing will change that.

No one is willing to accept the other sides view point and vice-versa so theres really no point in continuing with this thread so im now going to tell it to stop sending me emails when someone replies.

Woosah people.

Sonray wrote:

LT.Zerge wrote:*walks through the flaming rubble that is this topic*

I'll have to side with quite a few peeps on this topic as to bay, isn't a technically good director. He makes his movies to entertain and make money, he was a commercial director before.. no? I don't like bay to much because I generally enjoy more thought provoking movies, but alot of people liked it and it appeals to it's target audience well. I'll put this more objectively then I have before

BAY+
-action sequencenses that really keep you on the edge of your seat
-Many have stated that he directs some of the best most insane/entertaining chase scenes of any director
-His movies are easy to wrap your head around and generally have a smooth linear plot
-the guy knows how to make money

Bay-
-Shallow plots, easy to get around but some argue to easy
-Possibly to much action that drowns out the actual POINT of the movie, you begin to think the actuall name of the movie was "johnies explodin cars live!"
-Becomes to self centered around making mony and what he thinks people want to actuall concider many of others opinions, though it is "his movie" it is supposed to be made for the public. but some fans forget this point aswell

-zerge out

Good way to get your point accross. But i dont understand why people hold making money against him. If you have a job you work because you want the money, you dont work because you like it (well few do). Most if not ALL directors are in the business for the money, the fame, or both. There are very few that do it for art's sake, and all of them make movies that dont make any money anyway, or are rarely seen.

The whole POINT of the movie industry is, infact, the make LOAD OF MONEY so why do people hold this against him when the entire movie business's purpose revolves around doing so? If movies didnt make money....well we wouldnt have movies, or the industry would be full of artsy fartsy type of films, and transformers would have been turned into a Period drama set in england back in Victorian times.

I think we can all agree that nobody would want that.

(this topic contains rabes...egad )

as we were on topic for a bit here. I have to conquer with that. I was just pointing out that needing money is considered by many people to often be "greed", even though it is an essential part of the movie cause without money it can't really exist . sorry if I was unclear about what I meant there sonray, was just trying to state the generalized notion to whats right and wrong in a movie.

remember kids "Common sense isn't always good sense"

Sonray wrote:No one is willing to accept the other sides view point

I accept the views of those who dislike the movie. I've stated that numerous times.

Phategod1 wrote:Sonray you sir are not a troll or, a I-bully (I just made that up people feel free to use it) But I must admit you are one annoying person. Get a grip on life, its funny how some one can take so much offense to something that has no bearing on your life. You make Don Murphy seem like a joy to be around. I've seen you imposing your definite will in other threads throughout this board and your not a troll your just so narrow minded that anyone who doesn't agree with you or like what you like is a moron or stupid, whatever you own or do is the best and everything else sucks, I swear dude you need to run for public office and make a difference in all our lives. and at the risk of being modded (I've had people like the might murph and a few of his "Stooges" call for my head before.) If you focus more on getting better and less on Directors who don't deserve to sniff Ridley Scott's Jock strap you'd be better off. (For the love of God will someone lock this bloody thread)

Man was that chopped so full of win...I really chuckled hard on alot of that...Just read the last 3 pages and it's gonna be tuff to wipe this grin off my face x)...I won't explain any further...

I think a major reason why people hate Bay is because as soon as you hear his name is attached to the project you instantly know what to expect and what it will lack...Like when you know Oliver Stone is gonna make a movie it might be great or it might suck...But you're not sure what to expect...

Francis Ford Coppola, James Cameron, etc. the same way...You know it has the potential to be outstanding or totally miss the mark...But with Bay, he's soooooooooooooooooooo consistently lacking creative evolution that as soon as you hear his name generic explosions, military pimping, and 360 degree camera sweeps immediately jump into your head...Hell even somebody like Joel Schumacher who single-handedly destroyed Batman with the Iceman movie can make something as good as "A Time to Kill" and "PHONEBOOTH" or something as classic as "Lost Boys"...Bay on the other hand has no visible or overly discernible degree of difference in his directing style...

I already know how Bad Boys 3 will look...I already know
what 2012 will look like...There's no director currently in Hollywood who is as insanely predictable as Micheal Bay in almost EVERY ELEMENT of his movie making ability...And that my friends is the God honest truth, and I will gladly accept the challenge of debating against anyone who vigorously disagrees with these sentiments...

So is it Michael Bay's style you hate or the fact that he shows no variety?

Burn wrote:So is it Michael Bay's style you hate or the fact that he shows no variety?

There are many directors who have certain styles or calling cards, but Bay just takes it to the extreme where you have to be hit by lightning not to know what Bay films look like...If he had some variety or creative evolution then I prolly wouldn't hate his style so much...

Look at somebody like Tony Scott for instance...If you look at Man on Fire and Domino you can see the same guy made the film, but if you look at Deja Vu' or Enenmy of the State it's like he's a different director (Yes even Bay's idol Jerry Brukheimer doesn't make Deju Vu totally suck)...I think all of these movies are fairly good but with totally different qualities...Gimme one Bay flick that doesn't incorporate some OVERBEARING element that all his movie include? Again if it was just his style I'd be more forgiving but his content, his style, and his lack of variety in directional choices makes me hate him as a director...Add his personality and how could I not hate him..

BTW hate means strongly dislike, not pure hatred^^...

Personally I think out of the only 2 shows I have watched... The Island and Transformers he has done a fabulous job. I think Transformers was one of the best movies ever this year in the action category. As they say "Michael Bay was born to direct Transformers as he is more than meets the eye."

wingdarkness wrote:There are many directors who have certain styles or calling cards, but Bay just takes it to the extreme where you have to be hit by lightning not to know what Bay films look like...If he had some variety or creative evolution then I prolly wouldn't hate his style so much...

Look at somebody like Tony Scott for instance...If you look at Man on Fire and Domino you can see the same guy made the film, but if you look at Deja Vu' or Enenmy of the State it's like he's a different director (Yes even Bay's idol Jerry Brukheimer doesn't make Deju Vu totally suck)...I think all of these movies are fairly good but with totally different qualities...Gimme one Bay flick that doesn't incorporate some OVERBEARING element that all his movie include? Again if it was just his style I'd be more forgiving but his content, his style, and his lack of variety in directional choices makes me hate him as a director...Add his personality and how could I not hate him..

BTW hate means strongly dislike, not pure hatred^^...

You know, some people might try to have me committed for this, but I like Tony Scott's movies better than Ridley's. I liked Deja Vu a lot... though, admittedly, it had Denzel in it, and Denzel is one of the handful of actors who can assure a project doesn't completely suck by his casting alone. I'd not really thought of him before, but Tony Scott could probably do a real interesting TF movie.

I think what you mentioned is where Bay's success is a double edged sword. He's not HAD to change, and so he hasn't. And it's frustrating, because there are moments in Transformers that are just GREAT. And then the action is stylized, and it never works all the way.

It's kinda like with music... I like bands that have a good signature style, and it's sort of like seeing an old friend. But then you find a band that is growing an evolving, and trying new things, and it's genuinely exciting. This is why I can't get enough of Amber Pacific's new album.

Know what I find funny?

Take a look at AC/DC. They are one of the biggest selling music groups in history.

Listen to all their albums. It's all the same. They found a formula that was successful and they stuck to it.

So I fail to see why Bay should be "strongly disliked" for finding a style that has proven to be pretty much successful and stuck to it.

If a pie maker has a hugely popular recipe, why would he change it?

The guy found a style that worked and ran with it. How many people TRULY take risks when their source of income is at risk?

He's in it for the money, does that make him shallow? Maybe, but that's the world we live in.

yeah what the hells the prob with the film?

Sonray wrote:I dont understand why people hold making money against him. If you have a job you work because you want the money, you dont work because you like it (well few do). Most if not ALL directors are in the business for the money, the fame, or both. There are very few that do it for art's sake, and all of them make movies that dont make any money anyway, or are rarely seen.

It's not that people hold making money against Bay or any other director, after all it is their profession and as you quite rightly point out few would make movies for nothing. It's more that it appears that maximizing revenue is Bays number one priority above all else which, although not uncommon in Hollywood, often leads to generic uninspired rather shallow movies. Which is fine if that's what tickles you're fancy, but some of us demand more of a director than simply ticking all the movie cliché boxes that ensure a box office hit whilst getting in good dose of product placement to keep the sponsors happy.

The whole point of the movie industry may arguably be to make money but it is my opinion that it should not be the sole overriding drive and purpose of the Director. It is true that many Directors are 'in it for the money' but in most cases this is to the artistic detriment of the movies they are making. It is also true that many 'artsy fartsy' films lack the mass appeal required to make any money or impact. IMO the best directors are those who exhibit a healthy balance between two, in that they are passionate and visionary in they pursuit of storytelling through the medium of film but at the same time understand the importance appealing to a mass audience in order to get their vision or message across and making the studio happy.

Bay is sadly not one off these directors he makes shallow, generic movies that rely on slick production and stunning visual effects to make up for a distinct lack of plot, acting or characterization and Transformers is no exception. It’s a great way to make a name for yourself and a whole heap of money but there is no denying that he is all about style over content, fame over respect and commercial success over artistic integrity. If that’s the sort of thing you look for in a movie then fine but, at the risk of repeating myself (again), it is my opinion that that is not what film making is all about and that is why I dont rate him or his movies.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:It’s a great way to make a name for yourself and a whole heap of money but there is no denying that he is all about style over content, fame over respect and commercial success over artistic integrity.

You know to me, style over content, works fine for me when it comes to Transformers. Hence why I think he did a great job with it.

Bumbled wrote:Personally I think out of the only 2 shows I have watched... The Island and Transformers he has done a fabulous job. I think Transformers was one of the best movies ever this year in the action category. As they say "Michael Bay was born to direct Transformers as he is more than meets the eye."

I very much agree Transformers is my favourite film of the year out of 70 so far.

I think people have a problem with Bay because he has such a completely messed up history in films. Everyone has a right to unrestrained hatred for Armageddon/Pearl Harbour. I bet if this was his first film, there wouldn't be so much arugement about it.