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Iron Prime wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote: And the optic blast looked exactly the same as the one he shot when Toad knocked off his glasses at the train station in the first X-Men. It was fine.

I think that's what he's saying: that the completely unrealistic idea of shooting beams of energy from your eyes looked more real than the way Sabertooth moved - and moving like that isn't quite as far fetched as eye beams.

Hmm...I see. That's right. I've had trouble making sense of some of his posts.

Still. Liev Schreiber's performance was the best of the cast.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Iron Prime wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote: And the optic blast looked exactly the same as the one he shot when Toad knocked off his glasses at the train station in the first X-Men. It was fine.

I think that's what he's saying: that the completely unrealistic idea of shooting beams of energy from your eyes looked more real than the way Sabertooth moved - and moving like that isn't quite as far fetched as eye beams.

Hmm...I see. That's right. I've had trouble making sense of some of his posts.

Still. Liev Schreiber's performance was the best of the cast.

Well I did reiterate how fake it looked fake five thousand times. Not my fault you didn't understand that

Yes, I know. But it seemed you were saying that it looked fake because that's not what Sabertooth is supposed to do. It doesn't matter how many times you say it if it comes from a misunderstood point of view. But we got that cleared up so now I get it: It looked fake because the SFX were ****. With which I mostly agree, they were definitely not up to expectations given the pricetag of the movie.

I really hope when it comes out on DVD there's an extended version. It seems like a lot was left out of the movie.

You think so? I thought the story moved along well. If anything, they should have added more substance to Logan and Victor's "adventures" before Weapon X.

More Team X missions would have been cool I think. Would have added more to Zero, Wade, and Wraith's screen time.

I just read that the old couple was supposed to be Vindicator and Guardian. That's kind of sad...

Then again I did read it on wikipedia, so it could just be some asshole entering that info in. But still, why do that?

Yeah, I forgot about Maverick. He was so blatantly misused, just like Deadpool. But Deadpool is getting his own movie, so that's somewhat forgivable.

Just a general response. I might have said some of this before. I thought the SFX were okay. Good enough, even for a blockbuster. What I mean is I didn't cringe at any point during the movie. It looked real enough to me, but as I think I said, I'm an easy sell for movies. It doesn't take much for me to be entertained, and I get the sense that I forgive more mistakes than the average person.

Shreiber was great. I wasn't actively rating all the performances, so I don't really remember if I would say he's best or not, but for me, he fit and pulled off the part as well as any other. I didn't even mind the running on all fours. No complaints whatsoever. Not from him and frankly anyone else. Yeah, even Jackman. I didn't mind him at any part, even if he was phoning it in.

Yeah, Deadpool was mangled, but Maverick was more than mangled. And they made Deadpool fun enough that I liked what they did. I'm not a hardcore DP fan, though, so I don't have the reaction of having one of my favourites misrepresented. I'm also not a Maverick fan, but... yikes. They REALLY trashed him. And Bolt, but he was in it for ten minutes at most.

My only complaint was Gambit. His inclusion just seemed like someone said, "We couldn't fit him in X-Men, so let's shoehorn him in here. It's our last chance." He was never a "Wolverine" character, never had as much connection to him as any other X-character. Why him and not... I dunno... anyone more important to Wolverine's history? Have even a member of Alpha Flight help out to some capacity. They just needed a fill-in-the-blank to get Wolverine from point A to point B, but why Gambit?

I didn't think anything was missing, nor would I have added anything. I thought the part with Sabretooth's and Wolverine's shared past was covered enough. I liked the opening credit montage sequence, and thought it covered things well. Well enough anyway.

Yup, a Cyclops origin story would be more boring than an origin story about a phone book. I think, out of Marvel's movies, only the Elektra movie would be worse.... Still, I survived Elektra. Storm slightly less boring. I'm not sure if they could really make an origin story for anyone else from X-Men, save maybe Magneto or Iceman. And even Iceman's a bit of a stretch. He just doesn't have enough backstory in the movies. Professor X maybe? Colossus or Nightcrawler I'd love, but they weren't important enough to the movies to warrant one.

I think I covered everything I meant to.

I'd really like to see an Alpha Flight movie. If the sequel to this one isn't about Japan, then I'd really like to see Logan interact with Alpha Flight so we could possibly see them in their own movie.

If they do any more solo movies I'd really like to see maybe a Cable movie. I know the common moviegoer doesn't really know who he is, but I think the action and story telling could pull many a people in. They could include Deadpool, Stryfe, or even Nate Grey(X-Man) to make things more entertaining.

Put Sinister in a movie. The dude is the creepiest villain in the history of comics, he deserves a spot in something!

If they decide to do another full fledged X-Men movie, they should cover Age of Apocalypse. They introduced Angel in X3, so they could easily turn him into Archangel.

Speaking of X3, what was with the lack of Nightcrawler in that movie? He was perfectly cast in X2. Why not bring him back?

I remember watching the cartoon in the 90s and Cable was one of my favorite characters. I would definitely go see a Cable movie. But who could they cast?

original sin wrote:If they do any more solo movies I'd really like to see maybe a Cable movie. I know the common moviegoer doesn't really know who he is

The average moviegoer didn't know who Men in Black or Blade were until their movies. I don't see a problem with a Cable movie... except maybe his ties to the Summers/Gray family. He wasn't introduced in X-Men, so it might be a bit confusing if he has a solo movie that's suddenly tied to characters already introduced.

original sin wrote:Speaking of X3, what was with the lack of Nightcrawler in that movie? He was perfectly cast in X2. Why not bring him back?

The RL reason was, I believe, the actor didn't want to undergo the hours of makeup each day. As for the in-story reason, it was explained the X-Men game between 2 and 3, but I don't remember what the explanation was.

For the most part Liev Schreiber did a good job as Sabertooth/Creed I think.

Gambit did feel a little tacked on, which is a shame since he is one of my favorite X-Men. But he and Wolverine do have a little history, at least in the 90's cartoon and comics....

Me, Grimlock! wrote:

original sin wrote:If they do any more solo movies I'd really like to see maybe a Cable movie. I know the common moviegoer doesn't really know who he is

The average moviegoer didn't know who Men in Black or Blade were until their movies. I don't see a problem with a Cable movie... except maybe his ties to the Summers/Gray family. He wasn't introduced in X-Men, so it might be a bit confusing if he has a solo movie that's suddenly tied to characters already introduced.

That's a good point, the MiB and Blade references I mean. They could explain his connections to Scott and Jean through the story. I'm not sure how they would, but hey, Cable is totally worth it!

Me, Grimlock! wrote:

original sin wrote:Speaking of X3, what was with the lack of Nightcrawler in that movie? He was perfectly cast in X2. Why not bring him back?

The RL reason was, I believe, the actor didn't want to undergo the hours of makeup each day. As for the in-story reason, it was explained the X-Men game between 2 and 3, but I don't remember what the explanation was.

Well that's poopy...I think Alan Cumming as Nightcrawler has been the best cast character in any of the X-Men flicks.

original sin wrote:I think Alan Cumming as Nightcrawler has been the best cast character in any of the X-Men flicks.

Hmm...he was good, but I think Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen were cast perfectly.

Me, Grimlock! wrote:

original sin wrote:Speaking of X3, what was with the lack of Nightcrawler in that movie? He was perfectly cast in X2. Why not bring him back?

The RL reason was, I believe, the actor didn't want to undergo the hours of makeup each day. As for the in-story reason, it was explained the X-Men game between 2 and 3, but I don't remember what the explanation was.

He died.

The next X-Man movie will be, X-Men Origins Magneto, it was given the green light at the same time as Wolverine.

I just watched it and thought it was awesome, apart from "Deadpool".

Dead Metal wrote:He died.

Really? That's too bad.

I enjoyed the flick, but how does Deadpool bend him elbows when those four foot katana blades are retracted?

El Duque wrote:I enjoyed the flick, but how does Deadpool bend him elbows when those four foot katana blades are retracted?

How does Wolverine move his wrists when his claws are retracted?

original sin wrote:

El Duque wrote:I enjoyed the flick, but how does Deadpool bend him elbows when those four foot katana blades are retracted?

How does Wolverine move his wrists when his claws are retracted?

I think the claws hide inside his forearms. That's my guess, but it seems the most likely thing. As for Deadpool.... movie magic.

original sin wrote:

El Duque wrote:I enjoyed the flick, but how does Deadpool bend him elbows when those four foot katana blades are retracted?

How does Wolverine move his wrists when his claws are retracted?

As long as the claws are contained between the elbow and wrist joints it would at least be plausible. The wrist joints would only have to be locked while the claws are in the process of extending.

Finally got to see this movie.

I liked it, but I was a bit unimpressed. I guess I was expecting a bit more from it.

Logan: Jackman is looking a little old now. But he pulls it off nicely.

Liev I think pulled it off excellently as Sabertooth.
I mean all the dialogue and the expression. He gave life to he character. Much more so than that lump Tyler Mane. He looks the part, but the acting side: no can do. Liev actually looked comfortable in the role. And the "ooh...shiny" part, it cracks me up every time.

I had no problem with the cat leap. It looked fine to me. I did find some of the other special effects a little less polished though.

Here's where I notice how different characters work differently for different people.

I have no attachment to Maverick/Agent Zero. Heck I barely know of him, and I had no knowledge of hos powers until I went into Wikipedia and looked at the characters page.

Seems they gave him a Domino lie power. Where he can pull off impossible shots, and load his guns in mid air while running.

But it was fine as I really don't know of the character enough to care what they do with him.

Deadpool on the other hand was massacred. I think Reynolds did a fine job as Wade with the wise cracks and personality. I was expecting him to turn to the camera and start speaking to the audience about how the guys in his team have no sense of humor, but we (the audience) do appreciate it.
I think that part was as close to Deadpool as it could have been..

But turning him into a disfigured, killing machine with no personality that was just sad. They could have used some other less popular character to turn into WeaponXI. The somewhat obscure Mimic would have worked nicely. He already has the ability to hold several mutant powers at once in the comics. So having Stryker give him the ability in the move would have been a passable alternative. Instead of the ridiculous stretch that it was giving Deadpool those powers.

Lebeau was o.k. yes he needed the accent but other than that I think he was fine.

As for other Origin movies. I think Beast/Hank McCoy would have enough back story to fill 2 hours.

Also Colossus would work nicely, they can have him fight Omega Red in Russia (I know hes a Wolvy villain, but it could work).


Overall I did like it. But it wasn't as good as I was expecting.

P.S. Xavier wasn't always crippled. He could walk fine before he formed the X-Men. But man did that CGI and make-up work on Patrick Stewart looked creepy. He looked rubbery. But it was still very cool to have him make the cameo.

I wonder if they'll make a 4th X-Men movie. Maybe a Prequel to the other 3? that way they can recast everybody with younger actors. Otherwise if they try to make a follow up to X-Men 3 , they'd have to bring in other Mutants since they killed off half the team in the last movie.

Overcracker wrote:But turning him into a disfigured, killing machine with no personality that was just sad.

The problem, I think, is that he's supposed to be a disfigured killing machine with a sense of humor that makes everyone around him hate him, but makes the fans love him so. I think if they kept his humor intact, no one would have a problem.