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Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Senator Ratbat » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:12 pm

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Catalyst Prime wrote:Wow, I didn't know there was a Sixshot character in Energon?!?!

I may just have to grit my teeth and watch energon again.
(The first time I tried watching it I only made it to episode 15 before I got fed up with it.)



Yeah, he doesn't show up until the very tail end of the series, though. He's a palette swap of Shockblast in yellow/orange colors, and he's a lot like Thrust from Armada. He's not as psychotic or violent as his brother, but he's definitely on the same level of dangerous. He's sort of the evil mastermind of the duo - intelligent, cunning, ruthless. But he's also got a sense of play and a stubbornness to him that makes him fun to watch. At one point, Galvatron is forced to have all of his lieutenants guard Sixshot in the control room to make sure he doesn't try to sabotage anything.

Energon in itself is a hard show to appreciate, due to certain elements that don't jive well with hardly any of the fans. In fact, I'd venture to say that I'm probably the only TransFan that ranks it in my top 3. The dialogue is occasionally cornball, the plot gets a little broken toward the middle (even I had no idea what was going on at one point), a lot of the space battles are fought with laser rifles using very little melee combat, and there's an extremely heavy reliance on the human protagonist, Kicker. On the bright side, though, it's one of the only 2 TF arcs to be set almost entirely in outer space, and it transitions from Armada seamlessly.

And a lot of people consider Kicker to be an annoying character, but comparing him with some of the other TF humans, is he really that bad of a protagonist? I could imagine him fitting in as the main hero in a number of different anime, and he uses Minicon weaponry and wears a TF hardsuit into battle. And he was actually useful to the plot, given the fact that he could sense Energon deposits and held close emotional ties with the alien Alpha Q. If you think back to G1, Spike really had nothing to offer the Autobots beyond friendship, and neither did a lot of the other humans from other series. Adding to this, Kicker actually hated the Autobots for a bulk of the early episodes, which made him stand out even further as a unique character in TF lore. People will still hate him, though, because he's a human and he's crucial to the plot. That, and I suspect that his anime stylings probably threw a lot of people off, as well.

As for gimmicks, there are several - the Spark of Combination, custom-built temporary Energon weapons, and the specialized mining teams on either side of the war, the Omnicons & Terrorcons. The Spark of Combination made for a great partnering system, in which Autobots would have to train together and build trust in order to be effective in combat. And given the fact that the Decepticons in this series are extremely overpowered in the weaponry department (they're basically all bristling with Energon cannons and lances), the team-up mechanic actually becomes a life-or-death thing, much like the Minicons were in Armada. To combat the Decepticons' enhanced firepower, the Autobots' resident mining team, the Omnicons (who are themselves a sort of splinter race of ancient Autobots) are able to construct red Energon axes, pikes and swords for the 'Bots before every battle, as well as some temporary Energon shielding in the form of red armored chest plates that generate temporary forcefields. This kind of thing really adds to a sense of desparation and realism to the war - the soldiers are no longer simply relying on their unique special abilities, but actual weaponry and armor as well to get the job done.

Energon also has what is in my opinion the best portrayal of the David Kaye Megatron. In Megs' first battle after returning to life, he uses Scorponok (who had commanded his troops while he was dead) as a body shield while descending from the sky upon the Autobots. When he gets close to the planet's surface, he casts Scorponok's shredded body aside and whips out his sword, landing with his troops to face Prime. Now that's the kind of thing I'd expect from a serious Megatron. He also murders Inferno in a spectacular fashion, essentially engulfing him in white flames after breaking his mind with telepathy. And, as Galvatron, he squashes Sixshot under his boot, killing him instantly. He's just a total badass in this series, and that fact seems to go unnoticed by a lot of fans.

This is also the only series in which Starscream is completely loyal, obedient, and feared by the Decepticon troops as Megatron's silent enforcer. Throughout the entire series (after he joins the ranks, of course), he functions as Megatron's body guard, as well as his eyes and ears among the ranks. It's truly surreal to see Starscream reach what is essentially his greatest potential - an unthinking, unfeeling killing machine as high up on the Decepticon food chain as a soldier can get. Megatron also rewards this loyalty and skill by giving him the honor of being the second to bathe in the super energon spring toward the end of the series, effectively making him super-powered. If this sort of thing had gone down in G1 or even Cybertron afterwards, Starscream would have been plotting and scheming to get a chance to take a dip, and Megatron would have made damn sure that he was kept away from it. Here, though, Starscream actually looks to his master for extra assurance before descending into the spring. He's portrayed as the loyal samurai under Megatron, and it's a convincing, chilling part.

And finally, Optimus is probably at his most serious and battle-hardened in this series. Ever since the final battle in Armada, during which Optimus came to the realization that he actually hungers for battle just the same as Megatron does, he's become somber and introverted. At the point in time when the Energon storyline occurs, he's basically in take-no-sh*t mode. He's a hardened commander, and he's firm in his decisions and expects obedience and order from his men. This is a very different Optimus than most are used to, which is probably another reason as to why the show is so oft-derided. For me personally, though, I was tired of seeing the same old grandfatherly Optimus with the heart of gold, who would sooner take the blame for something himself than scold his troops. This is an Optimus I can actually believe in - a commander with the weight of worlds resting on his shoulders, with hidden doubts about himself and his abilities.

So yeah, sorry to go off on a tangent there, but Energon is definitely one of my favorites. A lot of people bash RiD and Armada, but those still always have the occasional straggler fans. Energon seems to get the brunt of the hate from pretty much everybody, and I've never quite understood that.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Catalyst Prime » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:36 pm

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Honestly Senator, your overview of the series you just gave is better than the series itself... In my opinion of course.

But I don't know about the "seemless" transition between Armada and Energon though, I watched all of Armada and when I got to Energon my initial reaction was "Wait, what the hell just happened?" Except for Demolisher which had sorta become an Autobot, everyone else had new modes, seemingly for no reason(Of course we all know the real reason was to sell more toys)but know storyline reason. Kicker is their but and the other kids are several years older and basically shoved into the background. And several characters that were around towards the end of Armada just dissappear entirely(or at least for as far as I watched) That and except for Perceptor(who also has a new form) the minicons have basically vanished as well,(this I may be wrong on, did Energon say what happened to them? It was 3 years ago that I watched, memory fuzzy)

I liked what I'd seen of Starscreams personality in Energon but I find his alt. mode horrid. I liked the Armada one much better.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby JetOptimus23 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:58 pm

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Catalyst Prime wrote:I liked what I'd seen of Starscreams personality in Energon but I find his alt. mode horrid. I liked the Armada one much better


Watch a bit more of Starscream. they basically lobotomize him. He sucks.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Senator Ratbat » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:41 pm

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Catalyst Prime wrote:Honestly Senator, your overview of the series you just gave is better than the series itself... In my opinion of course.

But I don't know about the "seemless" transition between Armada and Energon though, I watched all of Armada and when I got to Energon my initial reaction was "Wait, what the hell just happened?" Except for Demolisher which had sorta become an Autobot, everyone else had new modes, seemingly for no reason(Of course we all know the real reason was to sell more toys)but know storyline reason. Kicker is their but and the other kids are several years older and basically shoved into the background. And several characters that were around towards the end of Armada just dissappear entirely(or at least for as far as I watched) That and except for Perceptor(who also has a new form) the minicons have basically vanished as well,(this I may be wrong on, did Energon say what happened to them? It was 3 years ago that I watched, memory fuzzy)

I liked what I'd seen of Starscreams personality in Energon but I find his alt. mode horrid. I liked the Armada one much better.


Well I'm not saying the show is a masterpiece, far from it. I'm just saying I personally really enjoyed it. As for the seamless transition, it takes place 10 years after the end of Armada. The new alt modes aren't all that unbelievable, given the fact that they're Transformers and they can change form whenever they need or want to, and after 10 years of peace, I'd say boredom set in. There's also the factor of the 'Bots and 'Cons being scattered around on various planets, and you could say that they've adopted the colors and modes to better fit with their new environments.

As for the minicons, you're right - it doesn't explain this very well. I've always assumed, though, that after the huge war over the minicons, they were given a break during the decade of peace between series. They probably went off to do their own thing, scattering out into the galaxy. It doesn't necessarily mean they've lost touch with the Autobots, but no one could really blame them for wanting some down-time. When the war kicks off in Energon, there are the few minicons with Kicker and that's it. This can be explained by the fact that the minicons were no longer a huge factor in the war, and it didn't really concern them. Besides, after 10 years of having the Omnicons and all the huge technological developments (building bases, colonizing planets, etc.), there was really no huge need for them as weapons anymore. The Spark of Combination is essentially the same concept, only using a fellow Transformer rather than a little minicon. I will say that it is rather odd that there was essentially no explanation given for their absence, but I just sort of filled in the blanks.

Carlos, Rad, and Alexis have all taken posts at various planets in the 10 years of peace, and have come into their own as responsible adults. The other punk kids (the initial bullies of Armada) have probably either faded back into normal society, or done something similar, albeit less important (because they really didn't contribute a whole lot). The 3 main kids aren't center protagonists anymore, because they've had their fight. They're essentially war heroes, and now they're doing their own thing.

And as for Starscream, yes, he was totally lobotomized. That's the only way he'd ever be as docile and obedient to Megatron as he is in this series. For Starscream fans, this may suck, but I was glad to see him as something different for a change. The Armada Starscream was classic, and I actually did like him better. But this Starscream is a lot more different, and that keeps in theme with the handling of Starscream in the trilogy as a whole (Cybertron's Starscream was a lot different than the standard formula, too). Keep in mind, though, that some fans actually hate Starscream and would cheer at having Megatron lobotomize him and keep his as a pet, which is essentially what happens here. I didn't necessarily cheer for it, but I was glad to the change in his character, because this is the only time it has ever happened (and will ever happen, likely). Oh, and as for his alt mode...he gets a new one toward the end of the series, just FYI. It strongly resembles his G1 colors, and he gets a corporeal body this time around without the "missing half his face" look and the shimmering cloak field about him. I agree with you on that, though - his physical appearance in this series definitely isn't his best (personally, that goes to Cybertron for me).

Cybertron is the series that wasn't seamless at all, not Energon. Cybertron was marketed as a reboot series in Japan, but adopted into the third chapter of the Unicron Trilogy for the States. Consequently, you have things such as "memory problems" (Optimus claims to have never seen a combination form before, and the Autobots act like they've never been to Earth). Cybertron: Balancing Act tries to explain this, but it's a very hard pill to swallow. I've never seen Galaxy force, but I always found it odd that they'd try to market it as a reboot series when there are so many similarities with Armada/Energon. They use essentially the same main characters in very similar modes/color schemes and personalities, they use minicons, and they used the black hole plot device that ties in too closely with what happens at the end of Energon. They botched that one story-wise, in my opinion, but if you can ignore the plot holes and inconsistently, it's up to the same calibur as Armada, maybe even better.

But yeah, it's one of those love-it-or-hate-it things, and I probably did describe it better than it actually is in real life, because that's what I got out of it. Also, I'm a bit biased toward the space opera setting because I loved G1's movie and season 3 so much (they were my introduction to TF, not seasons 1 or 2). Armada is still my favorite of the 3 in the trilogy, though, and probably my favorite series of them all.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby JetOptimus23 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:46 pm

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Senator Ratbat wrote:Well I'm not saying the show is a masterpiece, far from it. I'm just saying I personally really enjoyed it. As for the seamless transition, it takes place 10 years after the end of Armada. The new alt modes aren't all that unbelievable, given the fact that they're Transformers and they can change form whenever they need or want to, and after 10 years of peace, I'd say boredom set in. There's also the factor of the 'Bots and 'Cons being scattered around on various planets, and you could say that they've adopted the colors and modes to better fit with their new environments


Dude, you actually enjoyed it!? Man! With kicker and all that?! jeez. Have you rewatched it?
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Windsweeper » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:53 am

Armada

Red Alert
Demolisher
Sideswipe
Predacon (MTMTE)

Energon

Rodimus
Scorponok

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Ransack
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Sky-Quake » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:24 pm

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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby ceratoformers3 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:09 am

In general, Cybertron Shortround. Featured in no fiction, but my favorite. He's my first toy ya know. Character wise, Cybertron Armorhide. He was this comedian, there to entertain and give hope to people. And then the Decepticons vaporize Polyhex, leaving him bitter and sarcastic. Go Armorhide!
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby JetOptimus23 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:05 pm

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ceratoformers3 wrote:In general, Cybertron Shortround. Featured in no fiction, but my favorite. He's my first toy ya know. Character wise, Cybertron Armorhide. He was this comedian, there to entertain and give hope to people. And then the Decepticons vaporize Polyhex, leaving him bitter and sarcastic. Go Armorhide!


Wow. You brought in 2 toy-only characters. No one pays attention to those guys characterwise. Kudos to you sir! I salute you! :BOT:
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Forward 2.0 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:43 pm

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Armada Starscream was pretty great. I didn't see enough of Cybertron to pick a favorite, and I don't think I've seen a single Energon episode. I'm working my way through Dreamwave's old Energon comics though, and those are ok so far.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby JetOptimus23 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:36 pm

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yeah, well, the cartoon is COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT. if i were you, i would stay away from it.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Forward 2.0 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:08 pm

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What I read about it on TFwiki doesn't sound very appealing. But still...

GAH. Just finished the last issue and man! Stupid Dreamwave. Stupid Pat Lee. I was enjoying that...
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby The Happy Locust » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:48 pm

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Toy wise, the Cybertron versions of Megatron are awesome. Ever wanted to transform into the Batmobile? Well here's the next best thing. :D

Character wise, tough call. Always felt for Cyclonus in both his standard and Snow-Cat varieties.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby JetOptimus23 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:48 pm

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The Happy Locust wrote:Toy wise, the Cybertron versions of Megatron are awesome. Ever wanted to transform into the Batmobile? Well here's the next best thing. :D

Character wise, tough call. Always felt for Cyclonus in both his standard and Snow-Cat varieties.



Cyclonus is hilarious! Also love Crumplezone and Starscream.
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby abasi » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:17 am

Hot Shot

he reminds me of Hot Rod
with a little bit of Cliffjumper added in
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby Ravenous Nightwind » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:30 pm

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I've got a few.

Armada: Sideways. I always thought he was interesting with the whole turncoat thing going on and the fact he was an agent of unicron or was unicron in that series. He was probably one of the most mysterious characters in the show and I like that sorta thing.

Energon: Alpha Q. I liked how he was very similar looking to the original quintessons plus he had different personalities and was controlling unicron.

Cybertron/Galaxy force: Vector Prime, Sideways, and Primus. I liked Vector Prime because he was a guardian of time and I thought that was pretty cool, seemed he had a lot of wisdom and also seemed to know a lot about Primus which even though they didn't clarify to much it was still interesting. I liked Sideways because it told more of the story to armada and where he came from in the first place. Plus same reason as the first in armada he had the whole turncoat thing still going on. (I like transformers that switch their symbols) Primus because well..hes the creator of the transformers and that's mega awesome since he actually transformed. x3
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Re: Your favorite unicron Trilogy character

Postby zenosaurus_x » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:27 pm

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Energon in itself is a hard show to appreciate, due to certain elements that don't jive well with hardly any of the fans. In fact, I'd venture to say that I'm probably the only TransFan that ranks it in my top 3. T

And a lot of people consider Kicker to be an annoying character, but comparing him with some of the other TF humans, is he really that bad of a protagonist?


Well, for Energon, I think I got around episode 20 but I really couldn't stand it. Kicker annoyed me to no end, he was just so...corny...and whiny <_>
I also felt that with every episode, it seemed 3 were skipped in-between.

Anyhow, Cybertron Scourge is probably my favorite, very cool guy.
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