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I have watched the Transformers films ALOT and i consider myself somewhat of an expert on Transformers (especially here in Holland). But my wife asked me one simpel question this weekend that blew my mind because i can't think of any answer to it.

Why is it that every transformer that is created with the energy from the allspark or fragments thereof is a decepticon?

If there is anybody out there who can shed some light on this question, it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks
Bigbadbello
(Collector since 1984)

as far as I know, they are not decepticons. They are just born primitive and brutal.

always thought they were the bay version of mini-cons

I was under the impression that the Transformers brought to life by the All Spark "on screen" in the movies were just crazy and violent as opposed to being specifically "Decepticons". In the extended fiction such as the movie toylines, there are characters brought to life by the All Spark that aren't so malevolent like Landmine.

The most coherent explanation I've heard about why the Bayverse critters brought to life by the Allspark were Decepticon-nish in behavior (this was not my thought, but someone else's whose name I forget, which means I suck because it was brilliant):

That since most of our technology, we are to understand, had been reverse engineered from a Decepticon (NBE-1), it made sense that when they were animated, they'd have some sort of Decepticon trace in them.

HK, I know for sure my fax machine is a Decepticon. (grrrrr).

Not all are nasty. Ejector is just a mean little guy because he steals Mt. Dew, and if he was truly evil he would have incinerated everyone around him.

On the toy bios, Salvage is one example of someone who prefers to relax and groove after being woken up by the Allspark. Same with Hoist.

I compare them to the movie Gremlins. They're just mischief makers. Not hell bent for leather Decepticons.

I think the way they act is a side effect of all the Allspark energy. It might work something like a kid on a sugar high. They're overloaded with energy and they lack the discipline to control it. As opposed to being that way because they're reverse engineered from Megatron. That implies that Decepticons are made evil, rather than making the choice to be evil.

I looked at this way. Imagen the years of abuse that these items suffered at the hands of humanity and or the environment. Take for instants the Mountain Dew machine. Humans with sweaty palms jamming pocket lint covered grimy coins into you. Involuntarily you spit out yet another can of that is often sticky with dried on soda pop out. Let's not even get into what people due if gods forbid you are out of soda or just so happen to make one little mistake. Or what about in the middle of dark cold night a bum passing by decideds your tall sides looks like a good hidden place to take care of less then pleasant tasks. And so the years go on as you stand silent witness to the horrors of humanity. One day you are suddenly granted the ability to move, to make your displeasure and hate known. YES!

You get the idea.

Just another take on the idea.

Classy

You know, i read somewhere that i swear the transformers brought to life acted the way they did to protect the all spark. That would kinda explain better how the Decepticons chose to become evil simply because there was no real threat to the all spark, most of the time, on Cybertron itself.

That wouldn't really explain why the kitchen bots went after Sam since he was a vessel for the all spark, or they didn't know that he was and they were protecting the shard....

just my guess

ClassyNX01 wrote:I looked at this way. Imagen the years of abuse that these items suffered at the hands of humanity and or the environment. Take for instants the Mountain Dew machine. Humans with sweaty palms jamming pocket lint covered grimy coins into you. Involuntarily you spit out yet another can of that is often sticky with dried on soda pop out. Let's not even get into what people due if gods forbid you are out of soda or just so happen to make one little mistake. Or what about in the middle of dark cold night a bum passing by decideds your tall sides looks like a good hidden place to take care of less then pleasant tasks. And so the years go on as you stand silent witness to the horrors of humanity. One day you are suddenly granted the ability to move, to make your displeasure and hate known. YES!

You get the idea.

Just another take on the idea.

Classy

But they weren't sentient at the time so it's unlikely that they can recall any of those memories ...

syphonn wrote:But they weren't sentient at the time so it's unlikely that they can recall any of those memories ...

True, but it dose seem to me that it never fails a machine knows when it would be the most inconvenient time to not work when I need it too. Why is it always when I am off to meeting thats the one day in the 365.242199 days it decided to have a melt down? Makes you wonder don't it.

Classy

I believe that all transformers started off like this and it was environment and teaching that created autobots and decepticons. Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that humans are destructive and cruel because the race is so young just like the transformers were once.

Lunar-tic wrote:I believe that all transformers started off like this and it was environment and teaching that created autobots and decepticons. Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that humans are destructive and cruel because the race is so young just like the transformers were once.

Uhhhh, I'm sorry but that's just silly. Just because Optimus Prime said it doesn't make it right. Frankly, a giant robot who likes to viciously tear off other robot's *FACES* has no right, in the hellkittyverse, to lecture *me* about being destructive and cruel.

It's called hypocrisy, isn't it?

HK, ahhhh, Autobot values.

hellkitty wrote:

Lunar-tic wrote:I believe that all transformers started off like this and it was environment and teaching that created autobots and decepticons. Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that humans are destructive and cruel because the race is so young just like the transformers were once.

Uhhhh, I'm sorry but that's just silly. Just because Optimus Prime said it doesn't make it right. Frankly, a giant robot who likes to viciously tear off other robot's *FACES* has no right, in the hellkittyverse, to lecture *me* about being destructive and cruel.

It's called hypocrisy, isn't it?

No it's not. Getting angry at an enemy that just seconds ago tried to destroy billions of lives is completely different from shooting everything in sight.

This was the same question that my little sister (8 years old) asked me, when she came into my room, while I was watching the Movie O_O

I couldn't answer this ether, but I've got one in mind that I now use for my FanFiction "Transformers - Resurrection of the Allspark".

What if there where two Allsparks? The real Allspark, which was destroyed was one piece of the original Allspark, which was blown into two pieces after entering the atmosphere of earth? And so the energy of the Allspark was splitted up into good and evil!

It's just an idea, though... .

hellkitty wrote:[
Uhhhh, I'm sorry but that's just silly. Just because Optimus Prime said it doesn't make it right. Frankly, a giant robot who likes to viciously tear off other robot's *FACES* has no right, in the hellkittyverse, to lecture *me* about being destructive and cruel.

It's called hypocrisy, isn't it?

HK, ahhhh, Autobot values.

No, thats not hypocrisy. That's called defending the freedom that every sentient life has the right to. A right that every Decepticon strives to take away by force.

My impression from watching both the movies is this: if you take the All Spark and the Leadership Matrix, both have the power to create life. Perhaps the All Spark is the creator of the "evil" Decepticons, and the Matrix creats the "good" Autobots. It's far fetched since the Matrix wasn't created for the purpose of creating life, but it has that ability.

Hm. Maybe the Matrix is some counterpart of the Allspark O_o That really could be.

Blackstreak wrote:

hellkitty wrote:[
Uhhhh, I'm sorry but that's just silly. Just because Optimus Prime said it doesn't make it right. Frankly, a giant robot who likes to viciously tear off other robot's *FACES* has no right, in the hellkittyverse, to lecture *me* about being destructive and cruel.

It's called hypocrisy, isn't it?

HK, ahhhh, Autobot values.

No, thats not hypocrisy. That's called defending the freedom that every sentient life has the right to. A right that every Decepticon strives to take away by force.

My impression from watching both the movies is this: if you take the All Spark and the Leadership Matrix, both have the power to create life. Perhaps the All Spark is the creator of the "evil" Decepticons, and the Matrix creats the "good" Autobots. It's far fetched since the Matrix wasn't created for the purpose of creating life, but it has that ability.

From what I get from the movie is that the matrix wasn't able to give life until the knowledge of the all spark was passed through sam and into the matrix. All i really got was that the matrix was the key to the sun harvester.