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ptitvite wrote:We discussed this at Transtopia some time ago and everybody agreed that since the G1 toys are so inacurate to the toon that there was no such thing as a naked Ultra Magnus or a twin Prime or an UM without armor. The trailer is part of his freakin body just like Motormaster per example. It was never shown in the animated series or Marvel Comics without his armour.To think that all these times I saw Ultra-Magnus on TV he was all dressed up!!
DW never was a reference since they made up stories that were never explained in the original series and that so many years later.

No, Ptitvite, everyone did not agree that there is no such thing as a naked Ultra Magnus or a twin Prime without armor. Secondly, the DW series is just as canon as any othe series, and even according to the Ultimate Guide is the main canon for the original G1 continuity, completely overriding the cartoon and Marvel series. The IDW series is a complete restart, not part of the original continuity. The fact that the cartoon and Marvel comics never showed him without the armor does not mean that he couldn't remove it. Also remember that much of the DW series was written by people who worked on the original Marvel series including Simon Furman. Granted, War and Peace was not written by Furman, but He did participate in the DW line. It was also based upon all of the previous continuities including the toy, cartoon and Marvel comic.

Secondly, the G1 toys came first. The cartoon is based upon the toys, not the other way around. It is the cartoon that didn't always match up with the toys, not the other way around.

WOW Tramp is still crying about this. I thought this was done and over with. I say to everyone stop picking on Tramp. Tramp I say to you stop picking on everyone else. Say it with me.... Woosah.....Woosah....

This whole argument can be resolved by simply saying that Qwailo's Ultra Magnus doesn't transform the full way. Let's suppose that, at some point during the transformation from the cab and carrier to the robot form, the two merge, such that -- if you were able to take a snapshot of UM at the exact moment before he unfolded and stood up -- you would see the appearance of a lone cab with coloring similar to that of UM's combined robot form. And who's to say it doesn't? Even if you go frame by frame in the animation and never see such a thing, real life has way more than 25 (or whatever) frames per second and 6 (or whatever) panels per "page."

So perhaps the reason that we haven't seen photos of the alt mode yet is because Qwailo is having trouble capturing this exceedingly fleeting moment on film/memory chip! It's basically the UM equivalent of the moment when Optimus Prime's trailer vanishes into thin air.

And here Tramp is harping about true G1-style and 100% accuracy and the necessity of transforming trailers and whatnot, while Qwailo was brilliant enough to make a custom with a unique mid-transformation alt mode. For shame, Tramp -- for shame.

Tramp wrote:

ptitvite wrote:We discussed this at Transtopia some time ago and everybody agreed that since the G1 toys are so inacurate to the toon that there was no such thing as a naked Ultra Magnus or a twin Prime or an UM without armor. The trailer is part of his freakin body just like Motormaster per example. It was never shown in the animated series or Marvel Comics without his armour.To think that all these times I saw Ultra-Magnus on TV he was all dressed up!!
DW never was a reference since they made up stories that were never explained in the original series and that so many years later.

No, Ptitvite, everyone did not agree that there is no such thing as a naked Ultra Magnus or a twin Prime without armor. Secondly, the DW series is just as canon as any othe series, and even according to the Ultimate Guide is the main canon for the original G1 continuity, completely overriding the cartoon and Marvel series. The IDW series is a complete restart, not part of the original continuity. The fact that the cartoon and Marvel comics never showed him without the armor does not mean that he couldn't remove it. Also remember that much of the DW series was written by people who worked on the original Marvel series including Simon Furman. Granted, War and Peace was not written by Furman, but He did participate in the DW line. It was also based upon all of the previous continuities including the toy, cartoon and Marvel comic.

Secondly, the G1 toys came first. The cartoon is based upon the toys, not the other way around. It is the cartoon that didn't always match up with the toys, not the other way around.

Simon had nothing to do with the wite Prime, don't you know that mister I know everiting superartist Pat Lee, was the man behind it all? That he stated to remember stuff from the cartoon that never happend?
So if the DW stuff is based upn the toys, wy are they stialised, wy do they look like marshmallows?
Please let's just stop this madness!
This thred is 80% arguing,
I'de say let's all just apologies for doing this!

First off, They don't look like Marshmallows, and they aren't nearly as stylized as the cartoons. They're much more detailed. Also, I said that Furman worked on the series, not that he had anything to do with the white twin of Prime that is Ultra MAgnus. That was Brad Mick, the writer of War and Piece, who happened to be a huge G1 fan before becoming a professional writer. Lee was just the penciler, not the writer. Furman wrote Dark Ages for example.

Qwailo, I think your G1 accurate Classics Ultra Magnus kicks tail pipe. I personally like both the toon and Dreamwave versions/continuities, so this is a great homage to the original U.M from the movie and season 3.


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The fact that the cartoon and Marvel comics never showed him without the armor does not mean that he couldn't remove it.

Oddly enough, there were no "white Prime" bits or exposed limbs and extremities when Magnus was blown apart by the the Sweeps in the movie. I just watched that scene right now, as well as the one where the Junkions put him back together. First of all, if the G1 toon version was the same as the DW version, as you imply it is, you'd think the "armor" aspect should have been blasted off in sections during the attack, thereby exposing the "white Prime" underneith, rather than blowing everything about Ultra Magnus apart. Second, when the Junkions were reassembling him, if you watch the scene, you'll notice that any aspects of his inner workings which are shown (joints being reattached) show no evidence of a bot within a bot. Finally, you'd think the Junkions would realise that he was a bot within some bot armor and either say something about it, or remove "white Prime" from the armor before reassembling him, then reassemble his armor over his "inner" self.

None of that occurs.Go figure...

I have the movie Wolfguard, I know the scene you're referring to. It still doesn't prove anything. It just means that the blast blew him up armor and all. Regardless, it is still the combination of this trailer and cab that produces that robot appearance, not the cab alone, and that is my only issue with this piece. That is why it isn't truely G1 accurate like he claimed it to be.

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics....even if you win your still retarded! I wish I had the sig I seen this on. It would fit perfect in here.

Burn wrote: ... pretty much all kitbashes/repaints of canon characters are homeages, OUR takes, OUR renditions of them.

They don't need to be 100% true to the original. They just need to be what the individual creating them sees the character as.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Though one thing I will add. For the love of sweet merciful Primus. Nine pages. Nine, freaking, pages. Tramp, pull the Masterpiece Megatron fusion cannon out of your butt and move on.

I'd be happy to if people would stop jumping on me about it.

Lol - you could just not ever click on the thread again.

Wolfguard wrote:Lol - you could just not ever click on the thread again.

Not gonna happen.

This is the second time I have had to come in here and quell the arguing.

This threads will be locked if this continues as you will recive warnings.

Three Strikes people. You got one left.

Still a great repaint no matter what any one else says.

I think it might be a good idea to repost the thread with just the first post- you know, clean the slate- and just delete this one. It's been clogged up with crap from ONE arguement. 8 bloody pages. Don't you have anything better to do?

The Master Blaster wrote:Still a great repaint no matter what any one else says.

I think it might be a good idea to repost the thread with just the first post- you know, clean the slate- and just delete this one. It's been clogged up with crap from ONE arguement. 8 bloody pages. Don't you have anything better to do?

It's the movie forum! The hatred and bitterness from there is beginning to overflow into the other Seibertron.com forums!

I'm certain some positive comments went unnoticed so
I think you did a great job on this guy and gave him a great G1 essence and the paint scheme is very truthful to his G1 counterpart. I also love the extra details you added to him.
That's what makes him so nice!! Keep up the good work!
Hey, did you think of taking the head from a Myclone UM?

The robot heroes heads have been used quite successfully on deluze figures.

My question is this- would UM's robot hero head be too small to be viable on a voyager?




And personally, I blame some of the newbies.

The Master Blaster wrote:My question is this- would UM's robot hero head be too small to be viable on a voyager?

And the answer is.. no Robot Heroes head too small.
I have classics Prime and I have the Myclone head.
They are the same size!! It would fit perfectly!
I'll edit when I take a pic...
here goes:

Neko wrote:This is the second time I have had to come in here and quell the arguing.

This threads will be locked if this continues as you will recive warnings.

Three Strikes people. You got one left.

Not that i care, as i think he should just delete this thread and start over, but why do you say "three strikes, one left"? As far as i can tell you are the first mod to ever come in here and say something, so whats happened to the other two strikes (whatever that means)?


10 pages and going...wooosah

ptitvite wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:My question is this- would UM's robot hero head be too small to be viable on a voyager?

And the answer is.. no Robot Heroes head too small.
I have classics Prime and I have the Myclone head.
They are the same size!! It would fit perfectly!
I'll edit when I take a pic...
here goes:

My god! I didn't know you meant Aloshya's head!

That thing is perfect.

I'm with ptitvite on this one. buy the head, and paint it up. It's perfect for Cl UM.

i'm a believer of the white prime twin ultra magnus.
That aside, i thing this bash is awesome, as its something better than the crappy repaints that hasbro keep giving us!

Sonray wrote:

Neko wrote:This is the second time I have had to come in here and quell the arguing.

This threads will be locked if this continues as you will recive warnings.

Three Strikes people. You got one left.

Not that i care, as i think he should just delete this thread and start over, but why do you say "three strikes, one left"? As far as i can tell you are the first mod to ever come in here and say something, so whats happened to the other two strikes (whatever that means)?


10 pages and going...wooosah

http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=249534&highlight=&sid=#249534

Purely out of curiosity, what page is the second on?

I missed a load of pages out, and I'm way too lazy to read loads of posts as long as Tramp's.

Neko wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Neko wrote:This is the second time I have had to come in here and quell the arguing.

This threads will be locked if this continues as you will recive warnings.

Three Strikes people. You got one left.

Not that i care, as i think he should just delete this thread and start over, but why do you say "three strikes, one left"? As far as i can tell you are the first mod to ever come in here and say something, so whats happened to the other two strikes (whatever that means)?


10 pages and going...wooosah

http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=249534&highlight=&sid=#249534

I wasnt aware that was a "strike", since you never mentioned anything of the sort.

Next time warn people cos thats a bit out of order to say that the thread or people involved have already had 2 "strikes" yet nobody was ever informed of this.

Sonray wrote:

Neko wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Neko wrote:This is the second time I have had to come in here and quell the arguing.

This threads will be locked if this continues as you will recive warnings.

Three Strikes people. You got one left.

Not that i care, as i think he should just delete this thread and start over, but why do you say "three strikes, one left"? As far as i can tell you are the first mod to ever come in here and say something, so whats happened to the other two strikes (whatever that means)?


10 pages and going...wooosah

http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=249534&highlight=&sid=#249534

I wasnt aware that was a "strike", since you never mentioned anything of the sort.

Next time warn people cos thats a bit out of order to say that the thread or people involved have already had 2 "strikes" yet nobody was ever informed of this.

I had to step in and remind people to be civil in their posts. That's considered a strike. Anytime a MOD or Admin posts in a thread to quell any misbahavior is considered a strike.