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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Plaything wrote:You're right, sto, Razorclaw isn't faster than Motormaster...in his alt-mode. But in his robot mode, Razorclaw, as Rodimus has stated in his first post, is faster and more agile. It's feasible, that during a fight, the Predacon commander would land more accurate and powerful strikes, whereas Motormaster's sheer brutality would lead him to just come out swingin'.

The Stunticon leader can't make practical use out of his truck mode, really. It's not all that manoeuvrable, and I doubt he'd be able to accelerate at a high speed sufficient enough to ram into the agile Predacon.

You seem to be making a lot of unfounded assumptions here.

There is nothing, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Razorclaws bio about his speed or agility in robot mode.Theres just no indication that Razorclaw is any more or less "faster or agile" then the average TF.

Furthermore, there is nothing, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Motomasters bio that even remotely suggest hes slow and bulkie in robot mode.Theres nothing to suggest he's any less "faster or agile" then the average TF either.

I don't think they're really unfounded assumptions, but moreso possibilities. Sure, we may not have concrete evidence to support these assumptions all the time, but I think we all have a good idea how the TF's are, based on what we've been given (profiles, cartoons, comics).

Perhaps Razorclaw's agility is a reflection of his lion alt-form? Lions can burst at high speeds over a short distance. And while chasing their prey, they need to be quick and strong to bring it down, seize their prey, and inflict the fatal bite. Perhaps those instinctive, natural and predatory movements were intergrated into Razorclaw's spark? It's just a wild idea/theory I have, so don't go nuts over it.

sto wrote:

Rodimus wrote:But out of the 2 Motormaster would be the one running away,

As I said before any rating of courage of 6 band above negates the possibility of the character running away.

Further more theres nothing in MM's bio that even remotely suggests that he would ever run.

I agree with this.

Only one point is the difference. And given their courage reaches the highest levels, there's no evidence to even suggest that Motormaster would hightail it. Courage of that level is too high for that to consider.

I mean, Motormaster looks like the guy who would give out severe beatings. The lesser and weaker 'Cons would run away from him.

sto wrote:

Rodimus wrote: as a stat of 10 counts as perfect, right?

Not exactly.It really depends because its subjective.A 10 in courage can be a liability in some cases.

Oh, absolutely.

An individual with 10 courage will appear to be fearless, but is it really an advantage? I don't think a fearless opponent knows when to make a critical retreat when it's needed (unless the individual exhibits a certain degree of intelligence), and that could path the way to his eventual death. Fearlessness can lead to stubbornness, I reckon. Well, that's my take on it anyway.

sto wrote:

Rodimus wrote:You do know these fantasy battles are for fun, right? You're taking this waaaaaaaaaay too serious, man. Lighten up.

I know they are for fun...........for me part of the fun is in presenting a well thought out and logical argument.

Sorry, mate, but you don't sound like you're having fun at all. You do sound a tad too serious.

Plaything wrote:I don't think they're really unfounded assumptions, but moreso possibilities. Sure, we may not have concrete evidence to support these assumptions all the time, but I think we all have a good idea how the TF's are, based on what we've been given (profiles, cartoons, comics).

Perhaps Razorclaw's agility is a reflection of his lion alt-form? Lions can burst at high speeds over a short distance. And while chasing their prey, they need to be quick and strong to bring it down, seize their prey, and inflict the fatal bite. Perhaps those instinctive, natural and predatory movements were intergrated into Razorclaw's spark? It's just a wild idea/theory I have, so don't go nuts over it.

I'm willing to accept that Razorclaw may have some lion like attributes but theres nothing in Motormasters bio to suggest hes slow and bulkie.

sto wrote:

Rodimus wrote:But out of the 2 Motormaster would be the one running away,

As I said before any rating of courage of 6 band above negates the possibility of the character running away.

Further more theres nothing in MM's bio that even remotely suggests that he would ever run.

I agree with this.

Only one point is the difference. And given their courage reaches the highest levels, there's no evidence to even suggest that Motormaster would hightail it. Courage of that level is too high for that to consider.

I mean, Motormaster looks like the guy who would give out severe beatings. The lesser and weaker 'Cons would run away from him.

Thank you.

sto wrote:

Rodimus wrote: as a stat of 10 counts as perfect, right?

Not exactly.It really depends because its subjective.A 10 in courage can be a liability in some cases.

Oh, absolutely.

Again thank you.

sto wrote:

Rodimus wrote:You do know these fantasy battles are for fun, right? You're taking this waaaaaaaaaay too serious, man. Lighten up.

I know they are for fun...........for me part of the fun is in presenting a well thought out and logical argument.

Sorry, mate, but you don't sound like you're having fun at all. You do sound a tad too serious.

Trust me...I enjoy these types of topics.

I'm just a "Master-Debater"

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I think Razorclaw would win.....but largely do to his highwe intelegence and skill.

That is all that needed to be said in the first place! I think everyone would have been happy with it. (And not just because we agree )

Rodimus Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I think Razorclaw would win.....but largely do to his highwe intelegence and skill.

That is all that needed to be said in the first place! I think everyone would have been happy with it. (And not just because we agree )

That may be all YOU NEEDED to read but it was all I FELT had to be said.

I feel just saying who's going to win with out making a logical argument as to why is a bit juvenile.....IMO.

Wheres the fun in saying Batman beats Superman if you cant explain how and why????

this is a pretty old thread but i think something critical has been overlooked. razorclaws primary tactic is to wait and look for a moment or sign of weakness. its even been stated that this is a weakness due to the amount of time he will spend inactive looking for the perfect moment. motormasters profile however says he has no weakness (other than using a lot of fuel).

assuming they are similarly matched in physical terms this is going to give motormaster a huge edge. i saw a lot of people arguing about who is faster, if you go by the old universe guide razorclaws top speed is 90 mph, motormasters is 140 (same as his tech specs), so that is a massive advantage, add to it motormasters extreme durability and he is likely goin to be able to neutralize razorclaws alt mode advantage. hes just too well armored to damage quickly and too fast for razorclaw to have enough time to mount a successful attack.

in a bot to bot encouter motormaster is going to come out swinging and blasting giving it everything hes got, and razorclaw will probably be on the defensive looking for a vulnerability that just isnt there. by the time razorclaw realizes that he cant win fighting reactively hes going to be too badly damaged to overpower a juggernaut like motormaster. obviously razorclaw isnt going to just sit around and let motormaster carve him up, but hes going to be more focused on analyzing instead of fighting.

going by stats they are pretty even, razorclaw being smarter and more skilled but motormaster being faster, stronger and more durable. but past a certain point intelligence isnt going to win a one on one fight, if it did perceptor would be the greatest warrior of his generation, and razorclaws skill is going to be greatly hampered by his 'watch and wait' approach to combat.

its going to be pretty messy either way, but to me it looks like motormaster is sort of the rock to razorclaws scissors. his abilities all exploit razorclaws shortcomings, but it doesnt work vice versa.

Having read the tech specs, I believe that Razorclaw lives up to his name. His claws could get through Motormaster's armour. M needs to hurry up and finish this kitty or else R will slice him up.