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Hector wrote:Reading these comments makes me sadIf this movie didn't please fans then what will? Seriously! What do you nay-sayers want??
I thought that it was an awesome flick! There were so many satisfying G1 tidbits! Devastator, Soundwave (voiced by Welker himself!), Ravage, Energon, Pretenders, the first 13 cybertronians, a super-bad dude from an obscure cancelled comic series (awesome!) and even the Matrix of Leadership itself! Complete with a near death revelation!
Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.
Shadowman wrote:Isn't that how they've always done Unicron?
First Gen wrote:Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.
Well, I stated before the only true comparison is Vadar and the Emperor with Luke Skywalker and the reasoning behind it above. Please re read that so you understand what I mean.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:First Gen wrote:Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.
Well, I stated before the only true comparison is Vadar and the Emperor with Luke Skywalker and the reasoning behind it above. Please re read that so you understand what I mean.
But it still doesn't make sense. The Dooku-Sidious/Megatron-Fallen comparison actually works, but the "only true comparison" doesn't. Why don't the prequel movies count?
First Gen wrote:Okay, if we're gonna bring up Star Wars then you need to disregard Episodes 1, 2 and 3 because they were all prequels. Any RELEVANT comparison would be Vadar and the Emperor when it comes to Megs and the Fallen, and if you use that you're wrong. Why? Cause the Emperor was kicking Luke Skywalker's ass, the only one that posed a threat to him being the last Jedi, like Prime was the last Prime, and it took Vadar turning on him for Luke not to die.
Hey if you liked it, good for you, I'm glad you enjoyed it and that you really didn't care about the story. But when TF3 comes around and they just throw Unicron at you without rhyme or reason using the "Oh it predates us" excuse, then remember I told you so.
First Gen wrote:Shadowman wrote:First Gen wrote:Shadowman wrote:So...Now I'm confused, they're prequels, but anything that happens can't be used as an argument? I don't understand.
Well, I stated before the only true comparison is Vadar and the Emperor with Luke Skywalker and the reasoning behind it above. Please re read that so you understand what I mean.
But it still doesn't make sense. The Dooku-Sidious/Megatron-Fallen comparison actually works, but the "only true comparison" doesn't. Why don't the prequel movies count?
Ok, let me break this down for you:
Fallen equals Emperor, Ultimate leader (apparently) with full control of the Decepticon Empire.
Megatron equals Vadar (again, apparently) who everyone's (Decepticons, that is) scared crapless of and worships.
Prime equals Luke Skywalker being the last Prime (Jedi) and the only thing that stands in the way of the Fallen (The Emperor) of having complete domination of the Universe (Empire). Luke was the only person who could possibly stop the Emperor and the Fallen clearly stated that only a Prime could defeat him.
Now, what don't you get?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:While I'll admit that the first two parts are pretty good (Although interchangeable with the Dooku-Sidious comparison, Megatron ruled the Decepticons, he wasn't just a mean scary face) you might want to watch Return of the Jedi again, because that last part is all wrong; Luke was busy writhing on the floor when Vader killed Sidious. And even if Vader hadn't killed Sidious, they would have both died when the Death Star blew up moments later, thanks to Lando.
And what I didn't "get" was how the prequels are not relevant.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:But you still haven't answered my question: How are the prequel movies irrelevant?
First Gen wrote:Was it ever stated with the Douku/Sid combo that only one threat was ever posed to Sid?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:First Gen wrote:Was it ever stated with the Douku/Sid combo that only one threat was ever posed to Sid?
Yes. From Yoda: "Fully defeated by just anyone, the dark side cannot be, but only by the Chosen One. And who might be this Jedi? Know I do not, but not yet born is he or she. This much, sense I can. A vessel of pure Force the Chosen One will be, more powerful than any Jedi in history." George Lucas also admitted that Anakin really was the Chosen One. Luke wasn't the threat to Sidious, Vader was, Luke was only the catalyst.
First Gen wrote:regardless of what Lucas said after the fact.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Megatron Wolf wrote:No one listens to critics thats why. these days its all word of mouth and what ever people say on their blogs. The day of the critic is long gone and they are an extinct species. Only reasons why this movie is doing well is A) its a summer action movie,B) People have nothing better to do, C) explosions sell, D) Megan Fox in slow motion could sell a half eaten rotten burger with rat crap on top. ROTF is better then the first one ill give it that, but not by much. Im sure if i had the ability to shut off my brain id probably think it was a great movie to but i cant do that. Just trying to figure out how these damn transformations make any sense makes me want to hit my head against the wall. Not only that but, to much crap was thrown in, it was to damn long, humans ruin it....again, and bay cant wright a decent story to save his life. He has a great directing and visual style but thats about it. He could've done so much here and he really dropped the ball. He could've made a great action movie and a great TF continuity but he went the easy way and made a movie for the masses. And thats why i hate him & this franchise. When the third one comes out im not seeing it. Ill wait until its up on the net for free then ill decide if its worth my time and money to see in the theater. With this track record i doubt it. (Sorry for the long post/rant)
wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
HECTOR wrote:Reading these comments makes me sadIf this movie didn't please fans then what will? Seriously! What do you nay-sayers want??
I thought that it was an awesome flick! There were so many satisfying G1 tidbits! Devastator, Soundwave (voiced by Welker himself!), Ravage, Energon, Pretenders, the first 13 cybertronians, a super-bad dude from an obscure cancelled comic series (awesome!) and even the Matrix of Leadership itself! Complete with a near death revelation!
A lotta people seem upset over Megatron's association with the Fallen. The IDW prequel comics shed a lot of light on that but yeah the best way to describe it is it's like Darth Vader and the Emperor. He's still No. 1 but there's also an older bad guy who can offer him a lotta power, and he kinda owes him for saving his life.
Just an overall great time. Prime's death had me on the edge of my seat saying 'what? . . .' You know you were too! Admit it! If Optimus Prime dying doesn't make you sad then you don't deserve to be called a fan.
G1 tidbits
Where solitude endeth, there beginneth the market-place; and where the market-place beginneth, there beginneth also the noise of the great actors, and the buzzing of the poison-flies.
In the world even the best things are worthless without those who represent them: those representers, the people call great men.
Little, do the people understand what is great—that is to say, the creating agency. But they have a taste for all representers and actors of great things.
He's got some pretty far-out powers to go along with them, too, including teleportation, the projection of trippy telepathic visions and illusions, and the ability to groove on the language of 98% of all known species. To uses his powers to the fullest, though, he's gotta be feelin' good vibrations; bad karma can seriously harsh his mellow, y'know?
Shadowman wrote:wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...
And one day, maybe you'll actually get to see a TF series like that.
Shadowman wrote:wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...
And one day, maybe you'll actually get to see a TF series like that.
He's got some pretty far-out powers to go along with them, too, including teleportation, the projection of trippy telepathic visions and illusions, and the ability to groove on the language of 98% of all known species. To uses his powers to the fullest, though, he's gotta be feelin' good vibrations; bad karma can seriously harsh his mellow, y'know?
wingdarkness wrote:Shadowman wrote:wingdarkness wrote:in the end I'll always be proud of being true to Transformers and to the fanbase that only wants something with coherency to go along with cool action...
And one day, maybe you'll actually get to see a TF series like that.
Oh trust me I got all the G1 stuff just 1 click away and I've seen more coherency and stuff that makes decent sense there than I'll ever see on the silver screen (Although those with fuzzy memories will always try to distort, good thing I'm not one of those people^^)...
Primus C-00 wrote:Wasn't that Animated? Or prior to that Beast Wars, particularly everything including and after The Agenda?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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