The Energon Pub

My question is..... what was the deal with rampages color in his dozer form? On the ship he was red, robot mode hes red, but when he "spit" Sams parents outa his engine compartment he was glowing red with yellow parts.

You got it. Entertainment is entertainment. That is all it is. Also, this movie was based on totally fantastical sci-fi ideas, so who cares what mistakes there are anyway. Hell, Nat Geo makes mistakes too for god sakes.

Cyber Bishop wrote:can honestly say from being a background extra on 3 films that sometimes mistakes like carrying a bucket in one hand then magically switch to another are going to happen.

It is IMPOSSIBLE To duplicate each scene exactly per each take.

IE: In the looting of the federal bank scene in the upcoming movie Jonah Hex we tried to duplicate the same steps for each take that we shot. Some scenes we took 8 or 9 takes per shot and I can guarantee that things will be close but not exact.

Movies are not an "exact science", they are entertainment.

Well said. I can't believe how specific some people are, like with the Predator drones, one had a prop and one had a jet. I mean come on! The military gave actual footage to use and people are going to nitpick that the clips they made didn't match for a few second of film time.

People who sit around all day trying to find the smallest mistakes are pretty sad and should get a life. They are also being a bit too harsh. On the subject of reusing footage, yes I noticed it but there is a very good reason for it, money. By using footage more than once, especially if it features CGI footage, you can save money and use it for another scene.

One of the things people asked for in the sequel was more robots. Robots cost money and Bay didn't have unlimited cash for this movie, he had a budget. If you want more robots then something has to be sacrificed.

Oh, and Artoo Deetoo has been flying around Earth ever since he was brought to the planet by the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

almost all of the mistakes are too small to notice unless you look for them i was expecting something big like optimus being green or something

if most action movies were held up to this extreme scrutiny -they wouldn't fare well

I agree with the consensus that it is fiction, but of course critics and the like are going to continue picking it apart at every opportunity to bring attention onto themselves. However, some of the mistakes in the film are legit and hopefully can be addressed before the DVD release. Character colors, guide wires, that kind of thing. Some of the screwups did interfere with the moviegoing experience for me though, so maybe Michael Bay and Co. can do something about some of them. MB said himself that the project was a rush job and he wanted more time. So, I suspended disbelief further to enjoy the film for what it is. A popcorn Summer action blow stuff up movie.

-JT

I didn't even bother looking at the list since it is no doubt compiled by folks who don't even know 1/100th of what they think the know about Transformers. We shouldn't even be giving these people any attention at all.

Trikeboy wrote:People who sit around all day trying to find the smallest mistakes are pretty sad and should get a life. They are also being a bit too harsh. On the subject of reusing footage, yes I noticed it but there is a very good reason for it, money. By using footage more than once, especially if it features CGI footage, you can save money and use it for another scene.

One of the things people asked for in the sequel was more robots. Robots cost money and Bay didn't have unlimited cash for this movie, he had a budget. If you want more robots then something has to be sacrificed.

Oh, and Artoo Deetoo has been flying around Earth ever since he was brought to the planet by the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

What to sacrifice? Hum.....how about the robots which didn't seem to serve any purpose or just looked ugly design wise:

Twins...I'm willing to sacrifice those.

The Hatchlings which grew without the extra energon source of the sun which seemed to be one of the points of this whole film. Starscream notes the hatchlings wil continue to die without more energon, and yet they are fine and full grown come time to fight in Egypt.

Also, being the Fallen notes that the energy wasn't destroyed but transformed into Sams being....wouldn't they just need Sam? Being the cube itself seemed to be flourishing and supporting the Cybertronian race for thousands of years without the power of the sun. If the energy wasn't destroyed....why would you still need the sun or rather our sun to harvest?

No, I would aruge there were more then enough new robot designs which DID deserve screen time but instead were replaced with moot comic relief via the twins or hordes of baby grown up hatchlings or revived bad guys. I mean seriously, of the newer designs you had:

Sideways
Jolt
Sideswipe
Arcee triplets 3
Soundwave
The Constructicons 6
Devistator (I'm counting him as a separate bot)

.....that seems like more then enough newer designs. Roughly 14! Not counting the already founded cast. With money already spent designing and modeling them and rendering them....not to count the revived bad guys (Bonecrusher, Blackout) which were modeled and designed since the first film...so no money lost there. And yet "MORE" money was spent on those useless hatchlings or the Twins or even Wheelie...I could have done without wheelie if it meant Soundwave coming down from orbit.

As for the plot holes, I didn't read it, but I don't need to. I have my own list of plotholes already posted somewhere here admist the threads. And it suits me just fine. And yes, calling a movie out on it's flaws is fair for me. Even if it's a action summer blockbuster. Hulk had a better storyline. Iron Man had a fine story line. The first Transformers, even with it's already existing plot holes, had a better story line. Action movies with story lines are what I expects with people like Bay and Spielberg helming. The Rock had a storyline! Bad boys 2 had a more substantial story line! ET!!!!

If people are calling this movie terrible because of it's bad story, I find that a just reason. And I don't know why people would defend a story which doesn't make sense. If it's for fear of a 3rd film not being produced, believe me it's going to happen. With or without Bay and with or without people loving or hating it.

But don't make excuses for a films bad points. For me, the films large plot "WELLS" didn't spoil it for me, though it didn't help either. It was the ugly designs and the lack of screen time of other designs I would have preferred to see. More Sideways and even sideswipe. More Soundwave. JOLT!!!! Hell bring back Barricade or even Brawl! The Fallen transforming. A transformer TRANSFORMING!

Again I support those calling the movies bad points out. Be it design or story. Or both. A good story from people and production houses of this calibur is not a outrageous thing to ask for, or even demand.

The only thing I demand of the 3rd fim is if you have a combiner, have it combine with other transformer. Not cloned vehicle modes. Be it Bruticus or Menasor or the Predaking.

Laters,
Josh

While I agree we shouldn't be overanalizing like this, I found one I wanna at least ask about.

In the scene when Simmons, the ex-Sector 7 agent, shows Sam, his roommate, and Mikaela his alien archives, Simmons stops Sam's roommate from touching the jar containing Frenzy's head (because it was "still radioactive"). In the first Transformers movie, Frenzy's head was cut in half (by his own buzzsaw), but now it is intact.

I could very well remember this wrong (as it's been a while since I've seen the first one), but I really don't remember Frenzy's head being cut in half. I remember the time where it was his own buzzsaw (in S7 HQ inside Hoover Dam) as just a second beheading... Again, I might just remember it wrong.

I know Frenzy's head was intact in ROTF, but I wouldn't mind seeing the first again anyway, so I might pay attention to that part.

Joshua Vallse wrote:Also, being the Fallen notes that the energy wasn't destroyed but transformed into Sams being....wouldn't they just need Sam? Being the cube itself seemed to be flourishing and supporting the Cybertronian race for thousands of years without the power of the sun. If the energy wasn't destroyed....why would you still need the sun or rather our sun to harvest?

No...it was the knowledge the cube had that they needed. The Fallen knew where his sun-destroying machine was: it's where the other Primes (and subsequently the Matrix of Leadership) were entombed that he needed to know, because he couldn't work the machine without the Matrix.

That's how I remember it, anyway.

ShGarland_1383 wrote:While I agree we shouldn't be overanalizing like this, I found one I wanna at least ask about.

In the scene when Simmons, the ex-Sector 7 agent, shows Sam, his roommate, and Mikaela his alien archives, Simmons stops Sam's roommate from touching the jar containing Frenzy's head (because it was "still radioactive"). In the first Transformers movie, Frenzy's head was cut in half (by his own buzzsaw), but now it is intact.

I could very well remember this wrong (as it's been a while since I've seen the first one), but I really don't remember Frenzy's head being cut in half. I remember the time where it was his own buzzsaw (in S7 HQ inside Hoover Dam) as just a second beheading... Again, I might just remember it wrong.

I know Frenzy's head was intact in ROTF, but I wouldn't mind seeing the first again anyway, so I might pay attention to that part.

Joshua Vallse wrote:Also, being the Fallen notes that the energy wasn't destroyed but transformed into Sams being....wouldn't they just need Sam? Being the cube itself seemed to be flourishing and supporting the Cybertronian race for thousands of years without the power of the sun. If the energy wasn't destroyed....why would you still need the sun or rather our sun to harvest?

No...it was the knowledge the cube had that they needed. The Fallen knew where his sun-destroying machine was: it's where the other Primes (and subsequently the Matrix of Leadership) were entombed that he needed to know, because he couldn't work the machine without the Matrix.

That's how I remember it, anyway.

In reference to Frenzy's head, it wasn't cut in half, but it wasn't cut completely off....I think it left one eye and a partial vocal box for him to say, "Oh S%&t". However I can let that one slide.

That knowledge thing I do remember. However the Fallen does state that the cube, not just it's information, can't be destroyed but transformed. So if it wasn't completely transformed into Sam, where did all that energy go?

And being a majority of the cube energy was absorbed into Megatrons spark overloading him and killing him....then reactivating him? Wouldn't he be operational with a surplus of cube energy and more of the Archives once he recieved his upgrades and his jumpstart from the bottom of the ocean?

However I degress, I can pick this thing apart to death really, and I'm not well versed in the mythos. I just like movies and well......stories. And this one issue isn't even the most outstanding for me. However if anything, all of these questions only testify to the Movies failure to explain them or make sense of them admist the eye candy. However here is the list I left in another thread if anyone wants to take a crack at it......

From previous post:

And there are tons of plot holes here, anyone saying there isnt should really examine the following evidence:

Death was relative in the movie. Most dead robots from the first film and even during this film came back.....with no explanation, they were just back. Bonecrusher was back. Blackout was back. Even a few of the Constructicons came back. I forgot which one was destroyed whilst diving for Megs, but sure enough he was back come time to throw down in Egypt. So when Prime died....I really wasn't too worried. Hell I was expecting Jazz to come back as well at one point.

The energon sliver giving Sam the location of the Matrix, or rather the location of someone who could read the glyphs to tell him where the matrix was....or didn't know where it was but knew a poem to give him a hint, or....hell just forget it. While Megatron had a giant chunk of of it jammed into his chest to revive him.....but was clueless...but even if he knew I don't think it would have helped.

This next one is a catch 22. Pending on what you want to believe. Devastator was not the Constructicons. Or rather, he was made of of the same scanned vehicles, but he wasn't made up of the actual bots. Which for me was the biggest let down. But if you want to argue he was made up of the Constructicons....then they too defied death in which humans coming back form being blown to bits wouldn't be too far fetched in the third film....wait, wait, Sam did that didn't he? Well there you go.

The Decepticon Army of hatchlings keep dying from a lack of energon but as soon as Prime Dies, Fallen reigns down hell on a few destroyers with the hatchlings all grown up, to harvest the sun for more energon to raise his army of.....hatchlings? Aw hell I did it again.

:End previous post.

And if there are explanations for all this chaos out there consisting of more analyzation and such, for me that just makes the point of bringing subjects such as hatchlings and energon sources and all this stuff moot. Because if it's not communicated clearly via the film, I don't see a reason why to include it. It's kind of like the latter two Matrix films.....there was TONS of things not clearly communicated or was exclusive to people playing online games or reading fan fics or tons of other stories and such....which for me is more then too much work to do for any film starring Mr. Reeves. Hence why I still think the later two films fall short of the original. Hence one of the reasons I think this film falls short of the original Transformers. But I'll reserve judgment till the above plot wells are addressed.

BTW, I am a fan of the first film. Huge fan in fact, and I really really really wanted to like this film....which I did in some aspects....so I'm not posting this to bash or fan flames. I'm just kind of sad really this film didn't deliver on core things like story and design. *sigh*

BTW, thanks ShGarland_1383 for addressing one of these plot holes and hi as well.