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Valandar wrote:

Exic wrote:Whatever Voyager Class Jetfire will be like, I expect the Leader Class to be better..

Umm... there WON'T be a Voyager Class Jetfire, so it kinda stands to reason the existing Leader Class is better.

Alright, let me rephrase, IF there's a Voyager Class Jetfire, I expect the Leader Class to be better. lol

decepticonblitz77 wrote:like a sleeker, non falling apart one

Exactly

It's pretty safe to say that we may see a Voyager sized Jetfire along with a new Voyager Prime. Think about it, Transformers never really "die". Ratchet always fixes the Autobots and the Decepticons now have Flatline to do the same.

Plus I doubt we'll see another TF1 Voyager Prime repaint in the 3rd. A new voyager class mold would be a welcomed addition to any collector and while they're at it, it would be an easy cross sell for a voyager Jetfire. Hell make them HA figures and fans will freak.

Down_Shift wrote:It's pretty safe to say that we may see a Voyager sized Jetfire along with a new Voyager Prime. Think about it, Transformers never really "die". Ratchet always fixes the Autobots and the Decepticons now have Flatline to do the same.

A Voyager is possible, but unlikely. The Leader Class (as a whole) hasn't sold all that well (I can count at least two Jetfires sitting at my local Wally World now...)

Hasbro's all about making the quickest buck with the least resistance and cost.

Down_Shift wrote:Plus I doubt we'll see another TF1 Voyager Prime repaint in the 3rd. A new voyager class mold would be a welcomed addition to any collector and while they're at it, it would be an easy cross sell for a voyager Jetfire. Hell make them HA figures and fans will freak.

No offense, but have you been in the fandom for the past decade or so? Hasbro LOVES to wear a mold down to nothing. We will see yet another repaint of Voyager Class Optimus. We've seen several already:

TF1 original
Target exclusive Robovision
First Strike (G1 repaint)
Battle Damaged
ROTF Repaint.
Another, yet to be released ROTF repaint.

That's at least 6 uses of that mold, and there might even be more. To say Hasbro wouldn't reuse it in the 3rd is just silliness. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Buster Prime mold used for the US version in TF3's Leader Class.

Besides, a Voyager Jetfire would be a mess. I personally like my LC Jetfire, I really do, but he's not perfect, and there are quite a few folks who flat out hate him because of those imperfections. If the current toy already has glaring issues, downsizing it would scream to me "NO!"

Look at Megatron, for example. Sure, his robot mode and head were a bit more accurate (minus the STUPID "ice" pieces), but his transformation suffered greatly, his overall quality sucked, and don't even get me started on the ROTF Voyager...

Sometimes, it's just better to stick with one and hope for the best. I'm not sure they're going to get much better than the Leader Class for this guy.

Not to mention, these just aren't selling as is (in any class size), so why waste R&D money on a mold/figure that just won't sell in the long run?

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I'd prefer a smaller version of Jetfire. The Lader-class... come on. He's got almost his entire robot body hanging off the jet as kibble! Not to mention I found him pretty flimsy in jet mode, to boot.

Robot mode's not bad, but the jet mode is just... ugh.

Amen to that brother.

and to everyone saying how successful the leader class is, why are they always shelf warmers, even during the holidays when every other class, including Devastator was basically sold out.

There will be a voyager class. Jetfire was too popular to just be a leader legends and fab. the last 2 being pointless toys

Down_Shift wrote:It's pretty safe to say that we may see a Voyager sized Jetfire along with a new Voyager Prime. Think about it, Transformers never really "die". Ratchet always fixes the Autobots and the Decepticons now have Flatline to do the same.

Plus I doubt we'll see another TF1 Voyager Prime repaint in the 3rd. A new voyager class mold would be a welcomed addition to any collector and while they're at it, it would be an easy cross sell for a voyager Jetfire. Hell make them HA figures and fans will freak.

Human alliance with a wheelie figure
haha i like the idea

decepticonblitz77 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I'd prefer a smaller version of Jetfire. The Lader-class... come on. He's got almost his entire robot body hanging off the jet as kibble! Not to mention I found him pretty flimsy in jet mode, to boot.

Robot mode's not bad, but the jet mode is just... ugh.

Amen to that brother.

and to everyone saying how successful the leader class is, why are they always shelf warmers, even during the holidays when every other class, including Devastator was basically sold out.

There will be a voyager class. Jetfire was too popular to just be a leader legends and fab. the last 2 being pointless toys

Let's not knock the Leader Class too much now.

Optimus proves that Leader Class is a vehicle for remarkable engineering. (Both the upcoming Starscream, and supposed Bumblebee seem to carry this trend as well.)

Here are the problems with Leader Class (at least this past year and 2010)

1.) The economy. (No one can afford much in the way of necessities. A want will always lose out to a need. (And if it doesn't, your priorities need a check...)

2.) The price and pricing structure. (At $45.00, that's a rather costly item, but add in the fact that it's a toy, and it's a no brainer to most folks that you don't spend that kind of dough. Then you have the yo yo setup that Wal-Mart and Target pulled. One minute they're $45.00 a piece, the next they'd $35-45 and all points inbetween. And then Wal-Mart pulled a really boneheaded move...they raised the prices back up to $45.00 on the Wednesday before Christmas week. Christmas Eve and that week are among the absolute busiest shopping times...and they RAISED their prices. No wonder people didn't race right out and buy 'em.)

3.) "Bobby already has that one!" (Parents don't realize that ROTF Optimus is a Masterpiece level figure. Parents also don't care, because to them, it's toy with an exorbitant price tag. Some kids don't even know the difference and think "I got that one!" which doesn't help sales. And to the untrained eye, it's Optimus Prime. It's Megatron. We collectors, fans, etc did already buy a Leader Class version of both of them in the last film's release, and some of us felt no reason to repeat that for this one. So parents would definitely snap up the chance to avoid spending a utility bill's worth on a toy, especially one their kid seemingly already owns.)

None of that says the Leader Class is lacking. It says their price demands are too great, because they're being thrust upon a public that knows nothing of the incredible work behind these figures. If they were lower in price, Leader Class, especially ones made like Optimus and Starscream, would fly off the shelves and be difficult to keep on the shelves. If you could get a Leader Class figure for the price of an Ultra and save nearly $20.00 in the process, wouldn't you buy 'em up? I think so. I know countless collectors and fans who would.

Are the Leader Class figures perfect? Nope. Some terrible glaring errors, admittedly. But they're not bad enough to stop them from being sold.

It's the economy and pricing issues that have prevented sales the most.

And Devastator sold because the parents see that there's six pieces to it, it lights up, it talks, it transforms, etc. Wait until their children aren't impressed, or Mixmaster makes too much noise (I really hate that friggin' motion sensor in his vehicle mode..mine constantly makes noises...) or they realize it's one robot, not six (which is not a con or a bait and switch, it clearly says what it is!) I have the feeling you'll see them start returning to store shelves. Go take a look at eBay...people have been selling them (with shipping included!) for as low as $65.00! I love mine, but if I had paid $100.00... it would've lead to buyer's remorse and prompted a return. I got it on sale, and it was worth the $75.00 I paid, at least in my mind. (Plus the fact that Legends Skids and Mudflap are basically to scale with him and fit in his mouth, helps...)

The first movie proved to us that the toys are a smashing success.
The new ROTF figures (especially Ice Cream Truck Twins) are a success.
The repacks and repaints suffer the most.

But...this also proves to us just how bad the economy really is. When you see hot sellers such as the twins NOT selling, that's not indicative of a lack of quality, that's a tell tale sign that no one is willing to buy.

Not to mention, when the line was released, initially, it helped boost Hasbro's profits for the second quarter. A profit, a success.

Look at the whole picture before you try to paint over it with your's.

Well, I don't think they'd release a voyager Jetfire anytime soon, but for TF3 the possibility is there...

Autobot032 wrote:None of that says the Leader Class is lacking. It says their price demands are too great, because they're being thrust upon a public that knows nothing of the incredible work behind these figures.

I agree. BRILLIANT! is what comes to my mind when I think of the effort, the headscratching, the time and the creativity that is spent to design a figure - each a story of their own, moreso when the designer team is handicapped to follow a CGI model with several million/billion/trillion 3D geometric-piece thingies to the best of their ability. The designer teams more or less have been doing a wonderful job (to me) and are usually unrecognized as they work together to churn out toy after toy, with many a released toy that they designed bought, fiddled with and usually broken without a thought of recognition for them. If the toy came out bad, I prefer to blame Hasbro's budgeting department

I'm no engineer or anything like that, so I can't even begin to comprehend how they managed to design all these toys - but what I know is that they at least deserve an award (or a pay rise) for the heck they went through making ROTF Leader Prime. What's more, the upcoming LC Starscream has me pumped - so long as Hasbro doesn't pull off any funny last-minute cost-cutting measures - oooooh yes, that will be one freakin' epic figure to have.

Autobot032 wrote:Are the Leader Class figures perfect? Nope. Some terrible glaring errors, admittedly. But they're not bad enough to stop them from being sold.

Perfection is a lie; that's my personal motto. There's nothing in this world that can amount to 100%, and 'perfection' in itself is very, very abstract. One man's trash is another man's garbage, so to say. Everything can have a fault (see ROTF Prime's back-junk), the only thing you can do is to live with it. Or kitbash-improve it somehow.

@decepticonblitz77: Leader classes, overrated? Perhaps, but they will always be bought, there will always be kids/fans who want them. If you one day become seriously interested in getting a leader-class, if it isn't a problem, go ahead and get it - you might just find out that the money you spent on that overrated figure was completely worth it Me? I can't wait for Leader-class Starscream

At the Walmart I work at, the Leader-class Megs were boxed up and shipped back because they weren't selling. The Jetfire's aren't, either.

Leader Prime is awesome, but Jetfire is not, IMHO.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:At the Walmart I work at, the Leader-class Megs were boxed up and shipped back because they weren't selling. The Jetfire's aren't, either.

Leader Prime is awesome, but Jetfire is not, IMHO.

i'll admit prime is alright in my mind, but you're right Jetfire is not. its got way to much back pack and on top of the that the backpack constantly falls apart along with just about every other part. Megatron is a horrible representation of the movie too. the voyager rotf megatron is way sweet

leader class is fine and all but even me as a fan of the toys dont buy them. although the craftsmanship is really good i just cant justify the price tag. im perfectly fine with my voyager megatron and optimus and if a jetfire comes out i will def pick it up. but until the prices drop, no leaders for me.

GetterDragun wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

decepticonblitz77 wrote:cuz they're bulky and over-complicated and def. not worth 50 dollars or my time. besides, leader prime doesn't hold a candle to nest bludgeon. or mindwipe

Wrong. Leader Prime is one of the best TF molds of all time. Plus you have Mindwipe already to compare him too?

Seriously, dude? I agree-Leader Prime is completely amazing. However, to say that this person is "Wrong" might be a little intense.

Intense maybe, correct definitely.

The sitemod said it right. Also I think anyone who uses over-complicated as a reason to not pick up a TF is in the wrong fandom. Not like in the "get out!" way. But in the "Hey maybe you would liek this thing over here better." Way.

yungbloodz08 wrote:leader class is fine and all but even me as a fan of the toys dont buy them. although the craftsmanship is really good i just cant justify the price tag. im perfectly fine with my voyager megatron and optimus and if a jetfire comes out i will def pick it up. but until the prices drop, no leaders for me.

You are missing out on one of the best moments in the history of TransFormers, and the collecting therein.

You don't like Megatron? Alright. I'll give you that one.
You don't like Jetfire? Altight. I disagree, but that's your right.

You don't pass on Optimus. He really is THE figure that defines what a TransFormer is. People can tell you that we have the Masterpiece line, etc etc, but he really is the figure we've been waiting for for 25 years.

We wanted one that's super detailed? We got him.
We wanted one that's accuracy is as close as possible? We got him.
We wanted one with a complex but satisfying transformation? We got it.
We wanted one that everyone could agree one? (Most everyone does.)
We wanted the voice of Peter Cullen? We got it.

Leader Class Optimus Prime is not only a figure, but a work of art. He's the figure that makes you break your own rules and spend that extra money. He's the figure that IS worth $45.00 and without buyer's remorse.

If the Voyager floats your boat, great. Here's the problem, he's not at all even close to being in the same zip code of awesome that the Leader Class is in. He never will be. That's not a matter of opinion, that's a FACT. The two figures don't even compare, there's a world of difference between them.

You are wasting a chance to get the definitive figure, over a few bucks? Seriously? Time to quit pinching the wallet 'til it bleeds. Time to go out there and buy Optimus.

You keep hearing people mention how incredible Bludgeon is? (They're right btw) Optimus makes him look like a Go-Bot!

Just once, you need to let go of these silly notions and "rules" and enjoy your collecting experience.

Leader Class Optimus is worth all of that. Do not miss the chance to get him, you will regret it.

hahahaha hey did anyone see the new voyager optimus mold? the one that is shockingly similar to the leader class? suddenly voyager jetfire doesn't seem like such a crazy idea

Autobot032 wrote:

yungbloodz08 wrote:leader class is fine and all but even me as a fan of the toys dont buy them. although the craftsmanship is really good i just cant justify the price tag. im perfectly fine with my voyager megatron and optimus and if a jetfire comes out i will def pick it up. but until the prices drop, no leaders for me.

You are missing out on one of the best moments in the history of TransFormers, and the collecting therein....(long convincing speech)

I feel like I just read one of Prime's own inspirational talks.

for those that wanted a Voyager Jetfire I thinks this is the closest you are going ot get to one:

JetPower Optimus Prime.





Jetfire is simply a jetpack/gun emplacement. But he is close to being voyager sized.

Overcracker wrote:for those that wanted a Voyager Jetfire I thinks this is the closest you are going ot get to one:

JetPower Optimus Prime.





Jetfire is simply a jetpack/gun emplacement. But he is close to being voyager sized.

i'm talking about the new voyager class battle blades optimus. ya know new mold. i'm just saying, it makes the chances of american voyager jetfire better

Valandar wrote:

Exic wrote:Whatever Voyager Class Jetfire will be like, I expect the Leader Class to be better..

Umm... there WON'T be a Voyager Class Jetfire, so it kinda stands to reason the existing Leader Class is better.

True, but it wouldn't be horrible to have a smaller version of the figure that wasn't designed to be taken apart and attached to Optimus Prime. A Voyager class Jetfire would be pretty cool as a stand-alone toy, much like the Voyager Prime mold is. Don't forget, they did make a Legends class Jetfire!

Autobot Strider wrote:True, but it wouldn't be horrible to have a smaller version of the figure that wasn't designed to be taken apart and attached to Optimus Prime. A Voyager class Jetfire would be pretty cool as a stand-alone toy, much like the Voyager Prime mold is. Don't forget, they did make a Legends class Jetfire!

But the Legends Jetfire also combines with Prime.

Also, making a Voyager Jetfire to combine with Voyager prime would be problematic, since that would directly compete with Tarara's version of the Powered Up Prime.

With that said, it would be interesting to see a new Jetfire, unburdened with the prerequisites of having to combine and feature electronics.

Nujevad wrote:But the Legends Jetfire also combines with Prime.

Really? That's hilarious! Now I'm tempted to pick them up just for laughs!

Also, making a Voyager Jetfire to combine with Voyager prime would be problematic, since that would directly compete with Tarara's version of the Powered Up Prime.

With that said, it would be interesting to see a new Jetfire, unburdened with the prerequisites of having to combine and feature electronics.

That's what I mean. They should have a decently sized Jetfire whose sole purpose is to be Jetfire, and not Optimus Prime's Tuxedo. I'm not really a big fan of combiners... I don't hate them by any means, but it usually means one of the figures is awesome, and the other is compromised by the fact that he becomes armour plating. Think RID Ultra Magnus. I think I liked the legends scale UM better than the leader one, since at least his legs didn't look thinner than a sheet of drywall... but of course the end result, Omega Prime, was pretty sweet. It's just that UM got the short end of the stick in his own robot mode.

decepticonblitz77 wrote:hahahaha hey did anyone see the new voyager optimus mold? the one that is shockingly similar to the leader class? suddenly voyager jetfire doesn't seem like such a crazy idea

You are on drugs.

Prime Riblet wrote:

decepticonblitz77 wrote:hahahaha hey did anyone see the new voyager optimus mold? the one that is shockingly similar to the leader class? suddenly voyager jetfire doesn't seem like such a crazy idea

You are on drugs.

Um, why?

It's true that we'll probably never see a Voyager Class Jetfire, but there's no need to be rude about it.

Autobot032 wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:

decepticonblitz77 wrote:hahahaha hey did anyone see the new voyager optimus mold? the one that is shockingly similar to the leader class? suddenly voyager jetfire doesn't seem like such a crazy idea

You are on drugs.

Um, why?

It's true that we'll probably never see a Voyager Class Jetfire, but there's no need to be rude about it.

I for one think we'll get a new Voyager Jetfire that will combine with the new voyager Optimus Prime. Everyone that says we won't, but I gotta ask... why? Why are you so convinced that we won't?

Down_Shift wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:

decepticonblitz77 wrote:hahahaha hey did anyone see the new voyager optimus mold? the one that is shockingly similar to the leader class? suddenly voyager jetfire doesn't seem like such a crazy idea

You are on drugs.

Um, why?

It's true that we'll probably never see a Voyager Class Jetfire, but there's no need to be rude about it.

I for one think we'll get a new Voyager Jetfire that will combine with the new voyager Optimus Prime. Everyone that says we won't, but I gotta ask... why? Why are you so convinced that we won't?

Well, until I saw the "Hunt For The Decepticons" line I was sure there wouldn't be. But now that I see the new figures and designs coming in the near future...I'm not so sure anymore.

Or, maybe they'll release the new Voyager Optimus and the Japanese "Jetfire" armor as a two-pack or something.

I dunno. We might just see a Voyager Jetfire.

I don't see them milking the Jetfire combination again.