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Vicalliose wrote:What's more, the fact that art forms have become an industry is just downright wrong to begin with. Art is something you're meant to create because your passionate about it and you want to share it with the world, it's not something people should have to spend money to see or hear, people are meant to give you money because they are also passionate about what you do and want to support you so you can keep doing it.
Psychout wrote:Looks like the Americans have lost Upload.to as well as Filesonic.
Its only going to get worse for you guys. You obsession with war on intangible concepts will be the end of you, you know that, right?
Burn and I will be over here swapping files whilst you guys chat amongst yourselves, ok?
Noideaforaname wrote:And this is without SOPA and the like passing? So there were already laws allowing sites to be blocked from the US?.
Vicalliose wrote:Yeah it makes sense. Just another case where going after the uploader would be fruitless so they simply go after the site's owner. Allot of sites provide revenue to people through ads and such, youtube for instance, but it really does not work unless heavily moderated.
Psychout wrote:Might wanna add fileserve to that list too.
Im not so sure, from what I had heard Megaupload were nothing short of incredible in the speed they turned around their DCMAs, they were most likely targeted becuase they were the bigget target out there in the ultimate in cock-waving exercises by the Sherman authorities - "We got the big guy, what are you little'uns gonna do about it" (although it probably had a yeehaw and a couple of gunshots in there somewhere too).Burn wrote:Vicalliose wrote:Yeah it makes sense. Just another case where going after the uploader would be fruitless so they simply go after the site's owner. Allot of sites provide revenue to people through ads and such, youtube for instance, but it really does not work unless heavily moderated.
Which is another area Megaupload failed as they rarely complied with DMCA requests. A lot of other file hosts complied.
I highly recommend you make offline copies of EVERYTHING you have in online storage for a while, until the Internet calms down file hosting companies are to be regarded as incredibly unstable. Until the Rest of the world knows exactly where Team America (**** YEAH!)'s limits are then no one who relys on hosts like this can be sure how secure their valuables are.Burn wrote:Psychout wrote:Might wanna add fileserve to that list too.
Well there goes my subscription.
Noideaforaname wrote:Vicalliose wrote:What's more, the fact that art forms have become an industry is just downright wrong to begin with. Art is something you're meant to create because your passionate about it and you want to share it with the world, it's not something people should have to spend money to see or hear, people are meant to give you money because they are also passionate about what you do and want to support you so you can keep doing it.
That's ridiculous. Art isn't cheap or quick to produce, so why should artists have to rely on meager tips from a handful of charitable people while hundreds/thousands/millions of people are enjoying their work?
Vicalliose wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:Vicalliose wrote:What's more, the fact that art forms have become an industry is just downright wrong to begin with. Art is something you're meant to create because your passionate about it and you want to share it with the world, it's not something people should have to spend money to see or hear, people are meant to give you money because they are also passionate about what you do and want to support you so you can keep doing it.
That's ridiculous. Art isn't cheap or quick to produce, so why should artists have to rely on meager tips from a handful of charitable people while hundreds/thousands/millions of people are enjoying their work?
Oh my God you did not get the point at all. I was pressing the fact that what you said is exactly the mentality that is what's wrong with the modern day. You cannot understand because you were raised in a society where this is the norm. MOST people can't.
On that point I agree 100%, but realism dictates that the thoughtful minority will always be held hostage to the mass-payment of the corporate common denominator.Vicalliose wrote:Frankly our society has become over reliant on media as an industry and every country would be better off if they could either be self sufficient or capable of producing physical products which other countries need. America and many other countries have completely failed in this regard and things need to change DRASTICALLY.
Vicalliose wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:Vicalliose wrote:What's more, the fact that art forms have become an industry is just downright wrong to begin with. Art is something you're meant to create because your passionate about it and you want to share it with the world, it's not something people should have to spend money to see or hear, people are meant to give you money because they are also passionate about what you do and want to support you so you can keep doing it.
That's ridiculous. Art isn't cheap or quick to produce, so why should artists have to rely on meager tips from a handful of charitable people while hundreds/thousands/millions of people are enjoying their work?
Oh my God you did not get the point at all. I was pressing the fact that what you said is exactly the mentality that is what's wrong with the modern day. You cannot understand because you were raised in a society where this is the norm. MOST people can't.
SirSoundwaveIV wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/23/poland-reviews-stance-on-treaty-after-internet-attacks/
Thank god for Anonymous. That is all.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Many believe that art should be viewed more as a hobby than an actual job or industry, that's what's wrong with it. That aside. One of the things I pointed out that none of you quoted.Shadowman wrote:Vicalliose wrote:Oh my God you did not get the point at all. I was pressing the fact that what you said is exactly the mentality that is what's wrong with the modern day. You cannot understand because you were raised in a society where this is the norm. MOST people can't.
Artists need to eat too, and food costs money. Thus, they put their talents to use to make money. There has never been a time when this wasn't true; do you really think the Renaissance involved everyone getting free houses, and art supplies? They worked for money. If you've ever produced art simply for art's sake, you had some other means to pay the bills.
The people in Hollywood, the people whom are the only ones who benefit from copyright laws at all, make way too much money as it is.Vicalliose wrote:It's also ridiculous that a person who writes songs and spends the majority of their time partying makes more money than any working class person.
On the other hand, it will may only make the American government's stance more zealous. I'm sure our FBI is looking at Anonymous like they're a bunch of "terrorists" right now. :\SirSoundwaveIV wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/23/poland-reviews-stance-on-treaty-after-internet-attacks/
Thank god for Anonymous. That is all.
Why was MegaUpload really shut down? wrote:In December of 2011, just weeks before the takedown, Digital Music News reported on something new that the creators of #Megaupload were about to unroll. Something that would rock the music industry to its core. (http://goo.gl/A7wUZ)
I present to you... MegaBox. MegaBox was going to be an alternative music store that was entirely cloud-based and offered artists a better money-making opportunity than they would get with any record label.
Digital Music News wrote:In other words, another entry into the very crowded DIY space. But there's a lot more to this story. Instead of charging artists, Schmitz wants to pay artists - even for free downloads. "We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."
Psychout wrote:Lets hope someone else can pick up the ball and run with it as I'd use the hell out of that service, what about you guys?
Burn wrote:Psychout wrote:Lets hope someone else can pick up the ball and run with it as I'd use the hell out of that service, what about you guys?
My only dislike is it being cloud based, and this may be simply my misunderstanding of things, but I like a copy on my drive(s), and not have to download it each time.
Amen. Although this falls under the 'taking money away from the poor impoverished MPAA etc. shareholders' clause so sadly will never happen.Burn wrote:But at the end of the day, we're now at a point where change needs to happen, and not just on HOW people get their tv, movies, music etc, but also how things are classified. There needs to be a global classification system, to bring down these "virtual" borders that stop those of us outside of one country or another from seeing different videos.
Which still amazes me. That alone has to be responsible for many forms of piracy simply so people can get access to them.Burn wrote:I can see it coming in before a R rating for video games in Australia.
Yes, thank God someone is using brute force and threats to take care of problems, instead of acting like civilized people.
Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales: MPAA chairman Christopher Dodd should be fired wrote:10 million people contacted Congress, Wales said. “That’s not an abuse of power, that’s democracy,” he said. “[Dodd] had best get used to it.”
Psychout wrote:Depends on the reliability of your network I guess. I've never been much of a music collector so not having it actually stored anywhere isn't really important for me, and anything that cuts record labels out of the process and gives straight to the artist wins for me.
Burn wrote:But at the end of the day, we're now at a point where change needs to happen, and not just on HOW people get their tv, movies, music etc, but also how things are classified. There needs to be a global classification system, to bring down these "virtual" borders that stop those of us outside of one country or another from seeing different videos.Psychout wrote:Amen. Although this falls under the 'taking money away from the poor impoverished MPAA etc. shareholders' clause so sadly will never happen.
Burn wrote:I can see it coming in before a R rating for video games in Australia.Psychout wrote:Which still amazes me. That alone has to be responsible for many forms of piracy simply so people can get access to them.
SOPA and PIPA Fully Alive — And a New Bill Joins Them - Blacklistednews.com wrote:Actually, SOPA is set to be reformulated in February. PIPA will be revisited with possible amendments in the coming weeks. Case in point, all is still open and possible — nothing is dead, pulled, or cancelled. If that wasn’t enough to keep us on our toes, a new, similar bill has surfaced.
Burn wrote:How exactly would OPEN work?
From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?
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