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The US jurisdiction thing is that these sites, and 99% of the internet, has a .com address. ALL of these are, at the very least, routed through American based servers, regardless of where the site content/ownership is held. That why the Yanks can get involved.Burn wrote:How exactly would OPEN work?
From what I read, it's aimed at non-US websites ... but ahh ... what gives the US jurisdiction over them?
Most interestingly, it has the support of Google, Facebook, Twitter and the Management of Reddit, who were arguably the driving force behind last weeks internet-wide blackout. (No mention of support/opposition from Wikipedia though)Close SOPA and PIPA; OPEN the internet - The Manitoban wrote:What makes OPEN Act different is its approach and presentation. Unlike SOPA and PIPA, The OPEN Act movement has a home on the Internet, where all the information regarding the bill is easily accessible. What is more, visitors to the website are encouraged to comment and edit – yes, edit – the bill.
This infographic is a bit simplistic, and I'm still not 100% convinced their definition of 'Foreign rogue websites' wont still be too broad, but it sure is pretty...
I will always <3 the Aussies for this. Oh, wait - I actually meant thisWatcher wrote:I don't know about you, but [as an Australian] I'm still chuckling over how the American Government has the audacity to believe it can legislate on a global scale...!
Watcher wrote:I don't know about you, but [as an Australian] I'm still chuckling over how the American Government has the audacity to believe it can legislate on a global scale...!
DISCHARGE wrote:Watcher wrote:I don't know about you, but [as an Australian] I'm still chuckling over how the American Government has the audacity to believe it can legislate on a global scale...!
MONEY
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Psychout wrote:I actually meant thisSeriously, good work lads.
Burn wrote:Psychout wrote:I actually meant thisSeriously, good work lads.
That one is far from over however. Because of that I stayed away from iiNet when I changed ISP's.
Only to have them buy out my current ISP last month.
Vicalliose wrote:Maybe MegaUploads plans were best.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Vicalliose wrote:Maybe MegaUploads plans were best.
Megaupload's plans involved paying people for uploading things, even, perhaps especially pirated content. That's illegal even without SOPA. They weren't just cutting out the middle man, they were cutting out the artist, too.
Whatever you think of Pirates, they aren't taking this laying down.MegaUpload Users Plan to Sue the FBI over Lost Files - Torrentfreak.com wrote:In a response, Pirate Parties worldwide have started to make a list of all the people affected by the raids, and they are planning to file an official complaint against the US authorities.
Psychout wrote:Megauploads motives are yet to be proved, but they are somewhat suspect, we must accept that at least.
Their Megabox service would have revolutionised music downloading though and would have killed iTunes, I really hope someone continues with that.
At least those who lost out when Megaupload was binned are trying to get their money/files backWhatever you think of Pirates, they aren't taking this laying down.MegaUpload Users Plan to Sue the FBI over Lost Files - Torrentfreak.com wrote:In a response, Pirate Parties worldwide have started to make a list of all the people affected by the raids, and they are planning to file an official complaint against the US authorities.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Isn't this exactly what hard drives and flash drives are for? Considering the vast number of methods of storing data that aren't Megaupload, they don't really have much of a case.
Burn wrote:Shadowman wrote:Isn't this exactly what hard drives and flash drives are for? Considering the vast number of methods of storing data that aren't Megaupload, they don't really have much of a case.
Call me crazy but i'm fairly certain the engineering boys at work, who put something together in Autodesk Inventor which may be a few hundred megabytes in size, wouldn't want to be sending said file to colleagues overseas via snail mail.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Burn wrote:It's not just about lost files. What about productivity lost? What about deadlines missed because of different time zones and the lack of notice about the take down?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Burn wrote:It's not just about lost files. What about productivity lost? What about deadlines missed because of different time zones and the lack of notice about the take down?
I'm going to guess none, tops. You're taking an exaggerated worst-case-scenario and posing it like that's all that happened. And even if it did, they'll find another way. It's a big internet, there's always another solution.
And if the files were lost, it's the user's own fault. I've learned long ago, the internet is not a safe place to keep anything you don't want to lose. Servers are only reliable up until they break, and they do break.
Bumblevivisector wrote:So, any chance of Seibertron.com getting behind protests of CISPA?
It's not exactly like SOPA/PIPA, but it would give the government and corporations the power to quash the 1st Amendment online, as long as they claim it's for "cybersecurity".
And there's that deal ISPs made with the RIAA and MPAA to constantly spy on their users for any "piracy", and some backroom deal Chris Dodd just made with Obama to enact some sort of "Back-Door SOPA/PIPA" without any approval from congress.
Just wanted to make sure this was brought up, since the technology companies DON'T have our backs this time, and I thought this the best thread for it.
OptiMagnus wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:So, any chance of Seibertron.com getting behind protests of CISPA?
It's not exactly like SOPA/PIPA, but it would give the government and corporations the power to quash the 1st Amendment online, as long as they claim it's for "cybersecurity".
And there's that deal ISPs made with the RIAA and MPAA to constantly spy on their users for any "piracy", and some backroom deal Chris Dodd just made with Obama to enact some sort of "Back-Door SOPA/PIPA" without any approval from congress.
Just wanted to make sure this was brought up, since the technology companies DON'T have our backs this time, and I thought this the best thread for it.
I highly doubt there is any "backroom deal" without Congressional approval. If there was it would be all over the news. This whole SOPA/PIPA concept is way too hard to pass through as law and I think it will be abandoned sooner or later. I think the repercussions from the public would defeat the benefits.
Bumblevivisector wrote:OptiMagnus wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:
The problem with any of this making the news is that it's something media companies don't want in the news, so it gets drowned out. I don't remember seeing any story about SOPA/PIPA on TV until the day before the blackout (of course, I can't watch every channel), and even then the newscasters seemed to have orders to be as dismissive as possible of internet users' concerns.
Though I agree that it is odd this has only come out online, since "conspiracy between Obama and liberal Hollywood to undermine Constitution" is just the sort of accusation Republicans would love to throw out at a rally. Heck, I'd love to see that happen, since that could create enough pressure to get the President to scuttle the deal and veto CISPA. It already has 106 supporters in the House, but the Senate might barely kill it, since they took more direct heat from PIPA than the House did from SOPA. Still, there's no guarantees this time, since a lot of tech companies and FACEBOOK(!) are backing CISPA. If the MPAA gets in on that deal, then get set to read nothing but positive reviews on IMDB, some of which used to be honest but negative reviews by you, still in your name!
Whether or not this passes, better get to know your local ACLU office and a good Constitutional law attorney; this is gonna' be one ugly decade.
Sorry about the rant, but word is spreading slower this time without help from tech companies, so I'm bringing it up wherever I appropriately can.
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