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Sid Burn wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:you just assume that I wanna see more kids beat instead or reared, and not even talk to me about the reasons for my outlook...!

Than Side Burn, I am APPALLED by you, and the fact that you think you even have half a reason to look down on me.

Now whats realy APPALLING is the amout of straight forward bigotry that I read in The Jazz Factor thread. Wonder if you took a cross up there too?

dude, I really didnt require your life story, your circumstances dont change that fact that you advocate terrorizing children into obedience. Being a teacher, blood donor etc etc does not make you an authority on the subject, nor does it excuse scaring children into line, especially when those children arent even yours.

Clearly you have a big chip on your shoulder, you contributed a lot of content to this thread and nowhere did I see you advocating the type of generosity you claim to exude in your day to day life.

What I read was someone bragging about evading police. More importantly, I read someone advocating fear as a method of parenting and that is ultimately self defeating. The kids grow up Evilmus, and as they age the respect they showed often fades once they cannot be threatened into submission. What is worse, many of these kids will carry on this horrible way of parenting.
They also can grow to resent their parents once they comprehend that they were intimidated into obedience.

Control is fleeting when it is instilled by fear. You admit this yourself, you knew you were going to be punished so you stopped caring about doing right. Even in your response to me you were threatening, telling me to not 'dare' judge you on your posts. Its a message board Evilmus, what am I supposed to judge you on, your avatar? You are so quick to use threats to get what you want, I am a complete stranger to you and already you are threatening me.

In the end I was simply providing another point of view from yours, one that advocates parenting without violence or the threat of violence. I dont believe it is neccessary.
Perhaps if you reread your own posts you will see how I came to these conclusions, your opinion on the subject is quite clear.

And as a matter of fact, I took a shot at calming the racial slurs in the jazz thread, but you have to pick your battles. When no one seemed to care about the tasteless nature of the thread I let it be.

Also the name is Sid Burn, if you are going to refer to me in your posts I would appreciate it if you did so correctly.

Sideburn, it's so amazing that you can completely ignore the real points for the opposing side's debate and declare them to be violent abusers of children. Time and time again I've stated that spanking was NOT for the purpose of injuring the child, and not to scare them, but to embarass them. If the kid is hurt, then it IS abuse. If the kid feels embarassed, but not hurt in any way, then it is not abuse. We're not talking about breaking the kid's arm or even giving them a real slap on the butt, we're talking about a spanking. The kid is supposed to hear it more than feel it.

Of course, you'd rather make assumptions and make believe that you know the best way to raise children, the best way to discipline them, the best way for EVERYTHING to work. I'm going to assume that you don't HAVE children, or have spent an extended period of time around children while you're at an adult age to see how children really treat their parents and others.

I dont know how you jumped into the debate, but I dont remember you voicing these opinions against mine, or opening a dialogue at all. From your posts, you seem to be looking for an alternative to physical intimadation as a method of parenting.

You sound like Evilmus under a different username but I certainly hope for your own sake that isnt the case.

I could care less at this point how you rear your children, many of you seem so determined to defend using physical violence on kids, it boggles my mind. These posts advocate spankings, but I get a moderator warning for having an opposite opinion?

What a joke
And on a side note, dont warn me moderators, this is a message board, I should be able to exchange ideas freely, why dont you go where you are needed in the jazz thread and put a lock on all the racial slurs flying around on that end.

There is a big difference between disagreement and flaming. I never flamed anyone on this thread, I offered an opposing opinion. Without varying opinions, why the hell post at all.

This whole board is becoming too sensitive, anytime someone adamantly disagrees with someone else the moderators try to put a condom on it.

Sid Burn wrote:I dont know how you jumped into the debate, but I dont remember you voicing these opinions against mine, or opening a dialogue at all. From your posts, you seem to be looking for an alternative to physical intimadation as a method of parenting.

You sound like Evilmus under a different username but I certainly hope for your own sake that isnt the case.

I could care less at this point how you rear your children, many of you seem so determined to defend using physical violence on kids, it boggles my mind. These posts advocate spankings, but I get a moderator warning for having an opposite opinion?

What a joke
And on a side note, dont warn me moderators, this is a message board, I should be able to exchange ideas freely, why dont you go where you are needed in the jazz thread and put a lock on all the racial slurs flying around on that end.

There is a big difference between disagreement and flaming. I never flamed anyone on this thread, I offered an opposing opinion. Without varying opinions, why the hell post at all.

This whole board is becoming too sensitive, anytime someone adamantly disagrees with someone else the moderators try to put a condom on it.

No, I am NOT a second account by another member, and you DON'T LISTEN. My problem with your posts is that you are making assumptions and insinuating that if you spank your child, you are beating them horribly. You are also talking about the reasons people spank without understanding it whatsoever. If people spank their children to hurt them, then yes, it's wrong. The problem is that YOU can't make the distinction.

I had written a nice response, but the internet deleted it.

So I'm just gonna say the most important bit.

Sid Burn. calm down and behave. It's Ryan's site, and he has given us all rules to follow. I suggest you follow them.

Sid Burn wrote:
And on a side note, dont warn me moderators, this is a message board, I should be able to exchange ideas freely, why dont you go where you are needed in the jazz thread and put a lock on all the racial slurs flying around on that end.

Yeah that thread is pretty disgusting, I read 1/2 of the first page and never looked at it again. I have 3 children that are part Black, and I have a very little bit of it myself, and that thread was horrible.

But it's nothing new, it just shows that that's the way people really think. Even while hiding under all their, "But I'm not a racist" pretenses.

Sometimes being firm with kids can work, usually a slap on the back of the hand or a clip on the ear and saying in a very angry, very firm voice while looking directly at them "NO".
Probably doesn't always work, but it's better than going nuts on them and smacking them anything you can get your hands on.

The few times I was smacked was mostly because I did deserve it, but usually just a firm telling off would work with me, especially because I didn't want my dad to go nuts if he had been drinking earlier.
The PC Brigade has pretty much made it hard for anyone to do anything if they say it's wrong, they're the kind of people who would probably let Hitler free if he were alive just because "He's a very nice man who just had a moment of madness".

The times I've come across spoilt children while out shopping, you can usually find the parents nattering away somewhere else while their kids are getting under people's feet and causing chaos.
Reponsability seems to be a myth to a lot of parents where I live.

Tony.

Sid Burn wrote:And on a side note, dont warn me moderators, this is a message board, I should be able to exchange ideas freely

No one said you couldn't. I am simply asking for some civility from you two. The rules on this site are simple to understand. Play nice and all will be fine.

And also, this is Ryan's site. He puts money into it, spends lots of his time updating it, and it's his business with rules he set in place. He trusts the mod staff to help to make sure the forums are a pleasant place for all and acting the way you do hinders that.

You recieved a warning for your behavior and if you continue on as you have you may very well recieve another.

There are hundreds of ways to say one thing; I suggest finding more tact ways in which to express your opnions.

Ballistic90 wrote: My problem with your posts is that you are making assumptions and insinuating that if you spank your child, you are beating them horribly. You are also talking about the reasons people spank without understanding it whatsoever. If people spank their children to hurt them, then yes, it's wrong. The problem is that YOU can't make the distinction.

The difference between a spanking and a beating is entirely subjective and in my opinion arbitrary, if you are not the party recieving the violence, how can you make that determination? People will do what they do, but will it be in the best interest of a child who cannot yet articulate the impact being hit has on them?

My opinion stands, there is NO reason to hit a child. Once it was considered normal to smack a woman to calm her down, but noone in their right mind would advocate that now. How is spanking a child who is completly defenseless physically, mentally and emotionally any better?

The Master Blaster wrote:Sid Burn. calm down and behave. It's Ryan's site, and he has given us all rules to follow. I suggest you follow them.

I will tell you again, I was never flaming, baiting or trolling, I was debating with another member of the board.
He chose to take counterpoints to his as personal attacks, that isnt my problem.

Do not presume to tell me to behave while a thread like the Jazz theory continues, if I disagree with someone, and find the subject matter worthwile then I will post whatever counter to their argument I like. People are far too sensitive, I was looking for a debate with Evilmus, instead he foams at the mouth and stops the flow of ideas with his excuses.

I think rascist slurs should be higher on your checklist than a heated debate about child abuse. You have had people on this thread call for kicking a child in the balls over a transformer and I am the agitator? Again, the moderation here is becoming a joke, its subjective, selective and misinformed.

Malikon wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:
And on a side note, dont warn me moderators, this is a message board, I should be able to exchange ideas freely, why dont you go where you are needed in the jazz thread and put a lock on all the racial slurs flying around on that end.

Yeah that thread is pretty disgusting, I read 1/2 of the first page and never looked at it again. I have 3 children that are part Black, and I have a very little bit of it myself, and that thread was horrible.

But it's nothing new, it just shows that that's the way people really think. Even while hiding under all their, "But I'm not a racist" pretenses.

Exactly, and where are the moderators for that? Going on 20 pages of that tasteless nonsense.

Sid Burn wrote:

Ballistic90 wrote: My problem with your posts is that you are making assumptions and insinuating that if you spank your child, you are beating them horribly. You are also talking about the reasons people spank without understanding it whatsoever. If people spank their children to hurt them, then yes, it's wrong. The problem is that YOU can't make the distinction.

The difference between a spanking and a beating is entirely subjective and in my opinion arbitrary, if you are not the party recieving the violence, how can you make that determination? People will do what they do, but will it be in the best interest of a child who cannot yet articulate the impact being hit has on them?

My opinion stands, there is NO reason to hit a child. Once it was considered normal to smack a woman to calm her down, but noone in their right mind would advocate that now. How is spanking a child who is completly defenseless physically, mentally and emotionally any better?

Women and children are different from each other and should be treated differently as well. A man is not responsible for the behavior of women but parents are for their children.

Some children can be disciplined with non-physical methods while others do not. I'm not saying that spanking them is the be-all, end-all cure for misbehavior but it is a valid parenting technique.

Sid Burn wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:Sid Burn. calm down and behave. It's Ryan's site, and he has given us all rules to follow. I suggest you follow them.

I will tell you again, I was never flaming, baiting or trolling, I was debating with another member of the board.
He chose to take counterpoints to his as personal attacks, that isnt my problem.

Do not presume to tell me to behave while a thread like the Jazz theory continues, if I disagree with someone, and find the subject matter worthwile then I will post whatever counter to their argument I like. People are far too sensitive, I was looking for a debate with Evilmus, instead he foams at the mouth and stops the flow of ideas with his nonsense.

I think rascist slurs should be higher on your checklist than a heated debate about child abuse. You have had people on this thread call for kicking a child in the balls over a transformer and I am the agitator? Again, the moderation here is becoming a joke, its subjective, selective and misinformed.

I responded to this thread via a request I recieved.


You were not given a warning for flaming either. I never said you did. You recieved a warning because of the heated altercations between you and Liege Evilmus.

The flame comment was directed at Toyotus Superion and Super Megatron's comments, not you.

DISCHARGE wrote:Was his mom hott?

I think you just hit the main point of all of this.

Sid Burn wrote:

Malikon wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:
And on a side note, dont warn me moderators, this is a message board, I should be able to exchange ideas freely, why dont you go where you are needed in the jazz thread and put a lock on all the racial slurs flying around on that end.

Yeah that thread is pretty disgusting, I read 1/2 of the first page and never looked at it again. I have 3 children that are part Black, and I have a very little bit of it myself, and that thread was horrible.

But it's nothing new, it just shows that that's the way people really think. Even while hiding under all their, "But I'm not a racist" pretenses.

Exactly, and where are the moderators for that? Going on 20 pages of that tasteless nonsense.

Aparantly I am not seeing which thread you are indicating. Could you provide a link?

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it. Yeesh, you guys weren't kidding.

Nujevad wrote:Some children can be disciplined with non-physical methods while others do not. I'm not saying that spanking them is the be-all, end-all cure for misbehavior but it is a valid parenting technique.

Torture is also a valid way of extracting information, that doesnt mean it should be done. I think we should just agree to disagree. This debate has reached a climax apparently, I am surprised at the outcome.

Thank you Sid Burn for alerting me to that thread. It has been locked.

Neko wrote:Thank you Sid Burn for alerting me to that thread. It has been locked.

Not a problem, I couldnt believe it went on as long as it did.

Sid Burn wrote:

Neko wrote:Thank you Sid Burn for alerting me to that thread. It has been locked.

Not a problem, I couldnt believe it went on as long as it did.

Neither can I. I'm bringing this up with the others now. Something needs to be done to help us mod the forums more efficiently then they have been.


Anyway, please continue on with the discussion.

To Neko and everyone else:

On the Jazz Theory thread, I admit I made some ignorant jokes, but I also apologized for it and meant it 110%. It was never my intention to hurt anyone's feelings. I was trying to go with the flow of the thread and I went a bit too far.

I'm sorry.

But am I ever going to hear the end of it? I mean what else do you guys want from me?

I'm not idiot posting porn descriptions, his posts stayed on well after the thread should've been closed.

I admit I was stupid in my actions, and there's no excuse, but am I going to have to hear about this stupid Jazz thing forever?

Wouldn't it just be easier to ask me to leave?

Thank you Neco, that thread was disgusting. I kept thinking, "sheesh, people want to kill my kids 'cause they're half black?"

I didn't see much point in commenting on/in the thread though, I didn't like it so I stayed away. I was surprised to see it go on as long as it did though, I thought it would have been caught earlier.

But I've been a MOD on Horror messageboards, and I know how hard it can be. You can't see everything all the time.

Thanks though.

and to the guy posting above me. Considering your signature, you 'do' make some of the more 'interesting'? comments that I've seen. Only reason it stuck out to me though was because of your signature. The sig and the posts sure do seem to contradict each other at times.

But anyway, .....

Beating the hell out of your kid = BAD
Spanking = NOT BAD

I think that's where we were...

also what works on some kids wont work on other kids. There's no 100% method that works on all kids. Some kids no matter what, NEED to be spanked. And it's the parents job to do it. As for the smacking a hysterical woman comment? I really don't understand that. I'm not responsible for my woman, I am however responsible for raising my child and seeing to it that they don't turn into greedy selfish little brats who think they can have whatever they want whenever they want.

That being said. I've only spanked my children one time, on the back of the hand, and she never, ever did it again. Plus it also enforces that, "daddy means business and isn't going to let me walk all over him."

To many parents these days try to be "Friends" with their kids, when what the kid needs is a PARENT.

edit: to elaborate before someone calls me a monster or something for saying I spanked my kid. I told her 100 times, "don't touch the stove, it's hot" of course she doesn't really know what 'hot' means. Timeouts? Didn't work. Bribe her with a sweet? i.e., "don't touch the stove and I'll give you a cookie for being good?" Nope, not having any part of that. Then she'll be touching the stove everytime she wants a cookie. I tried everything and nothing worked, she was fixated on the fire on top of the stove. When I was cooking she got her hand about 2 inches away from the flame while I was doing dishes. I grabbed her arm away, said, "Daddy said NO! Don't touch the stove!" and smacked the back of her hand. And guess what? She never went near the stove again, and she knows Fire=Pain.

I mean, I guess I could have just let her stick her hand in the flame, that would have taught her too right? But call me crazy I didn't want my little girls hand burnt, melted or fused together like Johnny Trumain or something. Nothing worked, she was determined to touch the fire. One spank on the back of the hand and now she stays away from the stove.

Kids are different, and sometimes what works on one kid will not work on another. Plus they're little people, they can be stubborn, hardheaded and determined to do what they want to do. Our job as parents is to guide them in the proper ways, raise them right, and ensure we're not letting loose some narcisistic sociopath onto the world.

Autobot032 wrote:To Neko and everyone else:

On the Jazz Theory thread, I admit I made some ignorant jokes, but I also apologized for it and meant it 110%. It was never my intention to hurt anyone's feelings. I was trying to go with the flow of the thread and I went a bit too far.

I'm sorry.

But am I ever going to hear the end of it? I mean what else do you guys want from me?

I'm not idiot posting porn descriptions, his posts stayed on well after the thread should've been closed.

I admit I was stupid in my actions, and there's no excuse, but am I going to have to hear about this stupid Jazz thing forever?

Wouldn't it just be easier to ask me to leave?

Hey Autobot032, dont jump off so quick. I certainly wasnt aiming my critism of the thread directly at you. I dont know if anyone else was attacking you specifically, but I certainly wasnt on that boat. I think I know a little about you from your posts and I know your retraction was 100% from the heart.

Everyone who posted the slurs on that thread was bordering bad taste, and a few who stomped all over any taste the thread could have had.

Its done now, hope you stay Autobot032

Malikon wrote:and to the guy posting above me. Considering your signature, you 'do' make some of the more 'interesting'? comments that I've seen. Only reason it stuck out to me though was because of your signature. The sig and the posts sure do seem to contradict each other at times.

if you are referring to me as the 'guy posting above'
my sig has nothing to do with this thread, thanks

Again I move to agree to disagree, seems all are locked on their opinions, the discussion seems to have reached a dead end

I never even saw the racist thread. That is kinda taking this off topic about disciplining children, but it doesn't matter any more, or at least to me. I had a long post I wanted to put up that was really well worded but it was eaten by my computer. I'll just say that seeing my oldest brother attack my parents when he was around 10 years old kind of paints your views of 'defenseless' children. Yeah, the very young aren't capable of that, and not all children will do things like that, but some do deserve spanking WITHIN REASON. Spanking is embarassing, not painful, if it's done right.

No I meant immediately above that post. It's Autobot032, not you.

It's all good though. I actually enjoy internet debates as long as people don't take things all personal and get crazy.