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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:19 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Insurgent wrote:What does he say about beast wars? My phone won't play the video.
He doesn't "get" Beast Wars. The idea of robots turning into animals is a concept his mind can't grasp an understanding of, despite his having been A-OK with the Dinobots being a thing.

But... that's a stupid thing to say when you have animal transformers in every single movie to date. Including this very one.


I think he is referring to organic beastformers hence Beast Wars.

And honestly I agree with that since I've never liked the aesthetic design of Beast Wars and Beast Machines so basically I'm fine with robot animals like Ravage but I don't like organic ones like say Cheetor I ended up watching Beast Wars only because I heard how good it was and I did enjoy the story and characters but I still hate how the show and characters look.

As a kid I liked Transformers that turned into...well actual mechanical vehicles since that made sense for a robot unlike a robot turning into an organic thing unless it was just a skin like the Terminator.

Beast Wars wouldn't work in a live action setting anyways at least not in this day and age plus even if they made a Beast Wars film it wouldn't be much like the original since their not going to copy and paste the story and characters from the show because 1:That's lazy 2: It would still take place in the Bay movies universe.

Plus the uncanny effect and if they put Tarantulas, Blackarachnia, insects or snakes I would never watch it...ever I would rather drink acid.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Insurgent » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:47 pm

Oh I never want them to do a live action Beast Wars. But it is just a skin like the terminator, as you say. And even if you ignore the organic skin layer protects them from the energon radiation same way it protects the terminator from the time travel device effects, it could still work in a modern day setting as a disguise. Just think how unnerving it would be if not just any vehicle you see could turn into an alien death robot, but any animal you see could too.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Burn » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:50 pm

Deadput wrote:As a kid I liked Transformers that turned into...well actual mechanical vehicles since that made sense for a robot unlike a robot turning into an organic thing unless it was just a skin like the Terminator.

Which is exactly what it was for. To shield them from Energon radiation.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:17 pm

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Burn wrote:
Deadput wrote:As a kid I liked Transformers that turned into...well actual mechanical vehicles since that made sense for a robot unlike a robot turning into an organic thing unless it was just a skin like the Terminator.

Which is exactly what it was for. To shield them from Energon radiation.


I meant more like they actually wear it over them like a suit is what I mean.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Insurgent » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:20 am

Deadput wrote:
Burn wrote:
Deadput wrote:As a kid I liked Transformers that turned into...well actual mechanical vehicles since that made sense for a robot unlike a robot turning into an organic thing unless it was just a skin like the Terminator.

Which is exactly what it was for. To shield them from Energon radiation.


I meant more like they actually wear it over them like a suit is what I mean.


They do. The organic parts of them in beast wars, at least before they start mutating and whatnot, is just a layer of skin over their robotic bodies. Strip away that organic skin suit and they are as robotic as g1 guys. Beast machines is more integrated, yes.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Rysquad » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:20 pm

TLK was a bit too much for me. The worst of the live-action film franchise, IMO. I think it fell into the trap many franchises are falling into since the success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe - building for other movies.

Dislikes:

- So little Optimus Prime should have given room for Bumblebee to be more of a leader, yet Cade is essentially one giving the orders.

- Why weren't Grimlock and Slug in the final battle?

- I really really really wanted to see Cogman as an actual Headmaster

- Credits scene felt a little too X-Men: Apocalypse to me

- Why was Megatron's crew his crew? Other than Barricade, these guys are all new to me.

- Doing nothing with Earth being Unicron.

- Bumblebee speaking is what turns Nemesis Prime back to Optimus Prime. The movie's "Martha" moment. It was cheesy in BvS. It was even cheesier here. Oh and just give Bumblebee his voice back full-time.


Likes:

- Still love the visuals.

- The idea that Unicron is Earth. It was one of my favorite reveals in the TF: Prime cartoon.

- Lennox being a spy within the TRF.


Minor tweaks I would have made:

- A scene showing Nemesis Prime stalking Megatron before Megatron and his crew attacked Cade and the Autobots.

- Cogman doing the Headmaster gimmick on Crosshairs or one of the Decepticons in the abandoned city battle.

Dark of the Moon is still my personal favorite from the live-action series though it felt like actual screen time for Transformers was raised in Age of Extinction. IMO, DotM should have been the end of the series with the Transformers exposed to the mass population (Mission City incident from the first film being blamed on advanced drones).


Bumblebee's spin-off begins shooting soon. Set in the 80s? Sounds like a soft-reboot to do some fan service.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:18 pm

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- So little Optimus Prime should have given room for Bumblebee to be more of a leader, yet Cade is essentially one giving the orders.
Because Cade is actually a leader and not an immature bot-child. Who would ever make Bee leader hell Crosshairs and Drift don't like him as a leader.

Rysquad wrote:- Why was Megatron's crew his crew? Other than Barricade, these guys are all new to me.
Because Megatron's the leader of the Decepticons therefore making all Decepticons part of his crew.

All the other high ranking Decepticons are dead that's why we got these guys who in other universes would probably be the low ranked front line grunts. (Nitro Zeus was the best con anyways and one of the best in the franchise period)

Rysquad wrote:- Doing nothing with Earth being Unicron.
He's not the villian in the movie! He's next movie's villain like Thanos is in the marvel movies.

Rysquad wrote:- A scene showing Nemesis Prime stalking Megatron before Megatron and his crew attacked Cade and the Autobots.
Why would he be stalking Megatron? Prime wasn't himself at the time and they were also on the same side at the time so once again why would he be stalking Megatron and not doing his job of getting the staff?

Plus Prime was still on Cybertron at the time

Rysquad wrote:- Cogman doing the Headmaster gimmick on Crosshairs or one of the Decepticons in the abandoned city battle.
That would kill Crosshairs so basically your saying let a good guy kill a good guy for no reason.

Why would Cogman need to take over him anyways there's no point and Cogman wasn't fighting the Decepticons at any point in the movie so there never was any point where he could do that.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Burn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:25 pm

Deadput wrote:
Rysquad wrote:- Cogman doing the Headmaster gimmick on Crosshairs or one of the Decepticons in the abandoned city battle.
That would kill Crosshairs so basically your saying let a good guy kill a good guy for no reason.

Well he was a little on the nuts side ...
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:37 pm

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Burn wrote:Well he was a little on the nuts side ...

It would fit the character true but kids/fans are going to hate that.

That's like if in the next star wars Chewbacca gets killed gruesomely by some new good guy character for a dumb reason in the first hour of the movie do you think were going to like the new character after that?

How many people like Kylo Ren for doing you-know-what to you-know-who?
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:41 pm

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Deadput wrote:How many people like Kylo Ren for doing you-know-what to you-know-who?


I do. I never liked Han. Not even in the original trilogy.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Burn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:19 pm

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Burn wrote:Well he was a little on the nuts side ...

It would fit the character true but kids/fans are going to hate that.

You know this how exactly?

By this stage, people should be use to the "good guys" doing stuff "good guys" don't normally do. You have watched Optimus Prime in the previous four movies yeah?
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:54 pm

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Burn wrote:You know this how exactly?

By this stage, people should be use to the "good guys" doing stuff "good guys" don't normally do. You have watched Optimus Prime in the previous four movies yeah?


That's not what I meant like Kids hated Hot Rod back in 1986 and he didn't even kill Optiimus directly!

I mean specifically good guys killing good guys without a good reason. How are we supposed to like this new guy when one of the first things he does is kill one of the good guys just to show off a gimmick which he could of done with one of the Decepticons it wouldn't even be a twist or anything it would just be bad writing.

How would you feel if one of the G1 season 2 guys killed off one of the season 1 characters like Hound or Jazz just to show off an ability in their first episode and everybody was cool with it.

Like Bumblebee would fry Cogman right there for doing that to Crosshairs and it would be out of character if Cade and the Autobots were cool with that.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Burn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:02 pm

It would actually expand on his character. He's clearly not right in the head, so as far as I'm concerned it wouldn't be out of character.

And it could easily be made to fit into the movie, but it would require competent writing, and that just wasn't going to happen.

I don't know why they even bothered mentioning he was a Headmaster. I suspect there may have been scenes cut as Ryan himself told us that he was supposed to rip heads off and take over the bodies.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:35 pm

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Burn wrote:It would actually expand on his character. He's clearly not right in the head, so as far as I'm concerned it wouldn't be out of character.

And it could easily be made to fit into the movie, but it would require competent writing, and that just wasn't going to happen.

I don't know why they even bothered mentioning he was a Headmaster. I suspect there may have been scenes cut as Ryan himself told us that he was supposed to rip heads off and take over the bodies.

It would be in character for Cogman but it would not be in character for Cade, Bee, Hound and Drift to not kill Cogman right there and then.

You think Cade is going to willingly go with a guy who just tore off one of his friends heads and took over his body?

A week before the movie came out there was some small fan event in London or something the cast and Bay were there and one of the few things that Bay talked about were that Cogman's scenes were not able to be completed in time so that's why the stuff wasn't in the film.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Burn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:04 pm

Deadput wrote:It would be in character for Cogman but it would not be in character for Cade, Bee, Hound and Drift to not kill Cogman right there and then.

You think Cade is going to willingly go with a guy who just tore off one of his friends heads and took over his body?

Oh Deadput, ever the argumentative aren't you?

I've never once spoken about the characters of others, I've never once spoken of their reaction.

You're just putting words into my mouth to try to justify your position.

And the hilarious part is, we're actually agreeing with each other but you can't control your temper long enough to see it. :lol:
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:38 pm

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Burn wrote:Oh Deadput, ever the argumentative aren't you?

And the hilarious part is, we're actually agreeing with each other but you can't control your temper long enough to see it. :lol:


Not trying to be right or something I'm just trying to state what I think are the facts.

Sorry Burn I did not realize that I'm not even mad either just saying although I don't blame anyone for thinking so I'm very literal(is that the word?)

When you said
Burn wrote:as far as I'm concerned it wouldn't be out of character.
I thought you were misinterpreting what I said about it being out of character for Cade and Bee.

It would be in character for Cogman that I agree with.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:34 pm

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At this point, the writers of these films basically only know how to write a single personality trait for just about every Transformer in these movies: "Jerkish homicidal maniac".
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Burn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:46 pm

Sabrblade wrote:At this point, the writers of these films basically only know how to write a single personality trait for just about every Transformer in these movies: "Jerkish homicidal maniac".

But what about...
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:02 pm

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Burn wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:At this point, the writers of these films basically only know how to write a single personality trait for just about every Transformer in these movies: "Jerkish homicidal maniac".

But what about...
...
...
...
well ****.
Heh, you jest, but my saying "just about" leaves room for any personality-less nonentities like Sqweeks, or a genuine good guy like Que. ;)
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Postby Burn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:13 pm

Fairly certain Sqweeks is just a closet jerkish homicidal maniac.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:30 pm

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Burn wrote:Fairly certain Sqweeks is just a closet jerkish homicidal maniac.
I wouldn't know. The movie barely let me get to know the guy. :P
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Postby SlyTF1 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:24 am

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Sabrblade wrote:At this point, the writers of these films basically only know how to write a single personality trait for just about every Transformer in these movies: "Jerkish homicidal maniac".


That's why I like them so much.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

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Burn wrote:Fairly certain Sqweeks is just a closet jerkish homicidal maniac.

I saw him as a sort of everyman who was just trapped in a malformed, barely functional body. He clearly put a lot of effort into the...two or so things that he did in the movie, and I feel like he was just really confused throughout. I mean, if YOU were introduced to the Cybertronian War by Isabela Moner crushing on and adopting you, you'd be mighty confused, too.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Burn » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:12 pm

Nitro Zeus wrote:
Burn wrote:Fairly certain Sqweeks is just a closet jerkish homicidal maniac.

I saw him as a sort of everyman who was just trapped in a malformed, barely functional body. He clearly put a lot of effort into the...two or so things that he did in the movie, and I feel like he was just really confused throughout. I mean, if YOU were introduced to the Cybertronian War by Isabela Moner crushing on and adopting you, you'd be mighty confused, too.

Yeah ... he was totally a jerkish homicidal maniac that was just kept on a leash by a teenage girl. :lol:
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:23 pm

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As much as I like Sqweeks there was no point in him being there and all of the things he did could have been done by someone else Canopy was enough I think and I did really like Canopy for what little time he was on screen for and I liked his voice which was different from the norm.

Heck apparently Izabella doesn't consider Sqweeks to be family considering she said Canopy was the last of her family which makes me think Sqweeks wasn't in the script and was a late addition to be a money maker for Hasbro...... or Sqweeks is the equivalent of a pet.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #188 - Mutinous Intent
Twincast / Podcast #188:
"Mutinous Intent"
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Posted: Monday, November 13th, 2017