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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby TurboMMaster » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:30 am

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Deadput wrote:As much as I like Sqweeks there was no point in him being there and all of the things he did could have been done by someone else Canopy was enough I think and I did really like Canopy for what little time he was on screen for and I liked his voice which was different from the norm.
I feel the same way, trailers suggested that Sqweeks could be a character improtant for a story (possible as a living hard drive), but all in all, it was some kind of Pokemon, traveling with a little child to keep younger audience interested.

About Canopy, it's true that he was likeable, but since now it's obvious that they are not going to kill member of Prime's main team, I quess he was created simply as an obligatory Autobot that used to die. I'm expecting to see more t this kind characters in future movies.

It's just me, or Nitro Zeus had unused potential all over it? He could be a Bayverse's Cyclonus, or at least Starscream's expy. Unlike other members of Megatron's new crew, he at least was around by almost entire movie. He also seemd to try to have some kind of personality, I would like to see more of him in the future, but since they had to let BBB have some significant kill...
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Insurgent » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:23 am

Who killed nitro in the end? Who is bbb?
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:12 am

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Insurgent wrote:Who killed nitro in the end? Who is bbb?

Bumblebee shot him in the back of the head while they were floating in zero g at the end of the movie shortly after Optimus kicks Megatron out of the party.

So technically Nitro "fights" longer then Megatron while he is dead his head did not look completely destroyed so there is a chance he could be brought back.

Which is what I wish because Nitro Zeus has sky rocketed to becoming my favorite Decepticon in the whole franchise period and yes that includes outside the movies.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby TurboMMaster » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:26 am

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So technically Nitro "fights" longer then Megatron
The main difference is even with only one hand that without this "We were brothers once" thing Megatron could easily decapitate Prime with his own sword, while sadly, Nitro Zeus didn't do anything really impresive.

I'm the only one who thinks they should keep Megatron's current form in the TF7? Regaining his hand shuldn't be this hard, and he wasn't damaged badly. And this is already his fifth form, it would be nice to give him more permanent appearance.

BTW. I wonder why they decided to create a Shockwave and KSI Drone fusion instead of using Cyclonus :-?
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:01 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:Nitro Zeus didn't do anything really impresive.
He did live longer then all the other prison cons so that's got to count for something right?

TurboMMaster wrote:BTW. I wonder why they decided to create a Shockwave and KSI Drone fusion instead of using Cyclonus :-?
Same reason why Canopy, The Autobot Excavator, Old jet guy and all the other prison cons besides Mohawk are just cgi model reuses plus no one gave a darn back in G1 when half of the cast were repaints and retools of one another.

It's not like the KSI Boss was an actual character or anything and it's safe to presume that in universe the design was based on Nitro since Joshua was basically taking the Transformers designs and making them "better".

Anyways what would even be different if he was Cyclonus? He wouldn't look or act like any previous version of the character and then people would of complain but I'm a fan of new characters being introduced like Alpha Bravo in Generations or Nitro Zeus here.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby beastwarsbrah » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:34 pm

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I get the feeling that bee killing nitro was a late change with the original plan being that cogman would be the one to finish him. Cogman shows up at the battle site and just disappears. Also there's that thing where only cogman and nitro have head master compatible heads in the toy line.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby TurboMMaster » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:51 am

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Cogman shows up at the battle site and just disappears. Also there's that thing where only cogman and nitro have head master compatible heads in the toy line.
For me, Cogman was completly wasted character, he was interesting, he was unique by Bayverse standard, he seems to be designed to play some bigger role in the final battle... And that is it. I quess they wanted to as much into it as possible, but it didn't worked so well. I think they should cut Izebele and Sqweeks completly, since they are kinda... pointless.

It's not like the KSI Boss was an actual character or anything and it's safe to presume that in universe the design was based on Nitro since Joshua was basically taking the Transformers designs and making them "better".
Actually, it sounds kinda legit. Megatron could give Nitro's Blueprints to Joshua, so his new army would be based on Decepticon that didn't failed him miserably yet. Sadly, there is no probe that back then Zeus was even a High Rank Decepticon.

He did live longer then all the other prison cons so that's got to count for something right?
Actually, you are right. I think they should do the same with Onslaught, since he's name was it's legacy. Also, unlike other member of Megatron's crew (Nitro excluded), you actually could care about him. he could also have some sweet fight with Hound later in the movie. I understand Mohawk's and Dreadbot's fate, since they never seemed to be something more. But Onslaught should help Megatron in final fight.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Deadput » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:52 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote: Actually, you are right. I think they should do the same with Onslaught, since he's name was it's legacy. Also, unlike other member of Megatron's crew (Nitro excluded), you actually could care about him. he could also have some sweet fight with Hound later in the movie. I understand Mohawk's and Dreadbot's fate, since they never seemed to be something more. But Onslaught should help Megatron in final fight.


I knew Onslaught wasn't going to amount to much when he was revealed to be a Long Haul remodel but I was surprised by how quick he was taken out.

The filming did not look like this from an outsiders view it looked like Mohawk bit it early (He did) but Barricade, Onslaught, and Dreadbot were seen together a lot and there is even some filming where they and the Autobots were charging towards each other kinda of like Ironhide and the Dreads in DOTM.

The editing was a mess it looks like a lot of filming never made it in such as Hound, Crosshairs and Drift being in London and driving with Bee and Hot Rod.

Almost seems like Bat was just filming without a completed script.
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Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread spoilers

Postby Caelus » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:38 am

So, I finally gave up on avoiding spoilers, because I gave up on seeing the movie, and read the TFWiki synopsis of the movie. Being too lazy to read the 100+ pages of this thread, has anyone mentioned the possibility that Cybertron is Unicron and Earth is Primus?

If Quintessa/Quintus Prime is the Great Deceiver, is it possible that her deception was convincing Cybertronians that they were her creation, when in fact they were somehow abducted from Earth/Primus, and brought to Unicron?

While the claim that Earth is Unicron is a clear nod to Transformers: Prime and the Aligned Continuity, there's also precedent for Cybertronians being abducted from their home and brought to live and die on Unicron, feeding him through their violence.

Consider this possible timeline:

- Primus creates the Allspark, and uses it to create the original 13 Primes.

- Quintessa/Quintus Prime, or some other "Great Deceiver" connected to Quintus Prime, steals the Allspark from Primus and takes it to Unicron.

- Robbed of the Allspark, any Transformers left behind with Primus dwindle, become dormant, or leave.

- Our villain uses the stolen Allspark to cyberform Unicron's surface (possibly by creating "seeds"). This conceals Unicron's true nature, and our villain dubs this new planet "Cybertron".

- Primus hides himself within collected space debris, likewise becoming the core of a new planet - Earth.

- Quintessa/Quintus Prime next uses the Allspark to create a population of sentient beings to inhabit Unicron-Cybertron, and proclaims that s/he is the "Prime of Life." [Note: This somewhat matches the spirit of the Aligned continuity, in which Quintus Prime was fascinated with creating life independent of Primus, a heresy which led to Megatronus murdering Solus, and Liege Maximo being killed.]

- Primus-Earth, still having that creator-vibe but lacking the expedient device of the Allspark, slowly spawns a new form of life from the organic soup that's accumulated on its surface.

- Chief among Quint's "cybertronians" are a caste of Primes, named after our villain's former brethren. This Dynasty of Primes rules the surface of Unicron-Cybertron under our villain's thrall.

- Our villain, or his/her allies, return to Primus at some point, millions of years ago, and are fooled by his Earth disguise. They use the terraforming technology to convert some of Primus's rocky pretender shell into cybermatter, which they mine and take back to Unicron-Cybertron.

- Under the Dynasty of the Prime's (and indirectly our villain), generation after generation of Cybertronians are squeezed out of the Allspark. They are born from Primus's energy and the cybermatter harvested from seeds sewn on other planets.

- Quint creates a violent world where these Cybertronians fight and die. In so far as Transformers are made of Primus's life-blood/energy, Energon, the cycle of creation and destruction serves to draw Energon from the Allspark, and corrupt it into Dark Energon, which feeds Unicron. Effectively, the Allspark contains a portion of Primus's energy, which is now powering Unicron-Cybertron, with the Cybertronians not only being used as slaves, but actually being used as "transformers" (like, in the literal, real world sense).

- Disconnected from its source (Primus-Earth), the Allspark eventually begins to run out of juice, and is unable to sustain or replace the Cybertronians that Unicron-Cybertron has been feeding on. (You know that annoying sound when someone hits the bottom of a milkshake? Imagine that on a planetary scale.)

- Ever hungry, Unicron-Cybertron arranges for Quint's false Primes to find alternative sources of energy to replenish the Allspark's life giving energy. A star (the ultimate symbol of life and creation), is deemed a perfect candidate. Under the Dynasty of the Primes, the Cybertronians create Harvester's to collect the life-giving potential of stars and funnel it into the Allspark.

- The Seekers are created to travel through space and find viable candidates.

- Humans emerge on Primus-Earth, the result of Primus-Earth, over millions of years, guiding organic evolution to recreate the work he started with the Thirteen.

- Led by one of the Seekers, one group of Primes arrives on Primus-Earth, but finds it populated, surprisingly, with their fleshy cousins, who are immediately recognizable by the fact that they improbably LOOK A LOT LIKE THEM.

- This group of Primes decide they can't use the harvester to refuel the Allspark, as saving Unicron-Cybertron doesn't justify eradicating their small squishy primitive cousins.

- One of these Primes remains unwaveringly loyal to Unicron-Cybertron, and is determined to do Unicron's bidding by harvesting the Sun and destroying all life on Primus-Earth. The Fallen slaughters nearly all of his brothers, but the last of his cadre defeats him and drives him off Primus-Earth.

- Rather than simply continue on his mission, take the Harvester, and move onto another solar-system to find energy to restore the Allspark, the surviving member of the group elects to deny Unicron-Cybertron his/its prize, and stays on Primus-Earth burying his fallen brethren, and eventually entombing himself with the Matrix of Leadership.

- The Fallen licks his wounds, and eventually returns to Cybertron to launch a war against the remaining Primes.

- Losing Primes to treason or infighting, Quint creates an order of Knights. The knights rebel when they too (at least partially) discover they've been lied to by Quint. They abandon Unicron-Cybertron and flee, in search of their actual progenitor.

- The humans establish actual civilizations on Primus-Earth, and (perhaps at the surviving Prime's behest), use stone and sand to build over the Harvester and the Prime's tomb, concealing them, just as Primus is concealed within Earth.

- The Knights kick around space, searching for the truth and dodging Quint's lackey, Lockdown, who captures and kills many of them, using Quint's cyberforming technology as a weapon.

- The Knights eventually find Primus-Earth and their human cousins, who now have recognizable civilizations. The Knights stay on their true home-world. Hiding from Lockdown, Quint, and Unicron, the Knights only occasionally involve themselves in their human cousins' affairs.

- The remaining Primes likewise discover that they've been manipulated. After a nasty war with the Fallen and his Decepticons, the surviving Primes and their Autobots steal the depleted Allspark and launch it into space, away from Unicron-Cybertron.

- The Decepticons send the Seekers (e.g., Jetfire) out again, this time to find the lost Allspark. Those who arrive on Primus Earth either don't find the Allspark, or they elect not to report back to The Fallen.

- Rather than drift indefinitely through space, land on a desolate rock, or plunge into a star, the Allspark lands safely on Primus-Earth. Having been guided back to its true master, the Allspark begins to recharge (no Harvester required).

- At some point, Sentinel Prime learns a great deal about Unicron-Cybertron's true nature, and is enthralled (possibly by Quint) into saving Unicron-Cybertron. Sentinel Prime takes a ship and sets out in search of Primus-Earth. He finds Primus-Earth, but ends up marooned on its moon.

- His protege, Optimus Prime, last of the Primes, is unaware of Sentinel's subversion or the true nature of Unicron-Cybertron, and continues to stand for freedom (truth, justice, etc.) and valiantly oppose oppression, leading the heroic Autobots in Sentinel's absence.

- Optimus Prime's former friend and ally, Megatron is corrupted to serve the same master as Sentinel Prime and The Fallen (maybe by Quint, maybe by himself - who knows?). Megatron assumes command of The Fallen's Decepticons.

- The war reaches a point where Megatron realizes he needs a decisive edge. He takes off into space in search of the lost Allspark, hoping to succeed where the Seekers apparently failed.

- Realizing the danger that Megatron's success would pose, Optimus sends Autobots out to search for the Allspark.

- With help from The Fallen, Megatron finds his way to Primus-Earth but, like Sentinel Prime, is taken out by the same defense that has discouraged The Fallen from returning.

- Some Autobots eventually find their way to Primus-Earth and are allowed to land safely. Like the Knights before them, they sometimes get entangled in human affairs.

- The Witwiccans find both Megatron and the Allspark, and hide them.

- Bumblebee and Ironhide fight in World War II.

- Having had no luck finding Megatron or the Allspark, Ironhide leaves Primus-Earth. Bumblebee stays behind to continue searching.

- Bumblebee sleuths long enough and hard enough to trace Megatron's last interaction to the Witwickies in the United States. He begins stalking them.

- The Fallen figures out how to bypass Primus-Earth's defenses and sends his new lackey, Starscream, with a group of Decepticons to find the Allspark and the Matrix of Leadership.

- Blackout attempts to hack U.S. intelligence in a direct attack on an American base. Does not succeed. Barricade and Frenzy hack U.S. intelligence through Air Force One, and learn that the Allspark, and Megatron, are being held somewhere, and like Bumblebee, Barricade learns that the Witwickies in the United States are somehow connected to Megatron's disappearance.

- Sam Witwicky posts his ancestor's glasses for sale on the internet, the etching on the glass definitely connecting him to Megatron's disappearance.

- Bumblebee and Starscream's agent, Barricade, both find the glasses online, and zero in on Sam's family. Bumblebee inserts himself as Sam's car to spy on him, while Barricade takes the direct approach. Barricade is surprised to run into Bumblebee, but not that surprised, since they're after the same thing.

- Bumblebee fends off Barricade and sends out a distress call to his former partner, Ironhide, who leads a handful of Autobots back to Primus-Earth.

- Bumblebee is captured by Sector 7, which unwittingly leads not only the Autobots, but also the Decepticons to their facility. Starscream intends to secure the Allspark for The Fallen, and one-up Megatron in the process.

- Megatron is freed, and the Decepticons rally around him, thrilled to discover Megatron is still alive. Starscream is less enthusiastic. Megatron resumes his mission to find the Allspark for The Fallen.

- The Autobots and Decepticons scramble for the Allspark, with the humans caught in the middle. Having recharged in its time on Primus-Earth, the Allspark has regained its ability to create life, and begins erratically creating new Transformers from whatever is at hand.

- Sam Witwicky makes contact with the Allspark, and briefly, unknowingly, forms a bond with Primus-Earth (who, recall, engineered humanity's creation). Primus-Earth guides his creation to use the Allspark as a weapon, incapacitating The Fallen's servant, Megatron. (But not killing him, because that's antithetical to the Allspark's purpose).

- The surviving portion of the Allspark retains the Allspark's power (because why shouldn't it?). Sam's bond with Primus-Earth begins to drive him wonky.

- Primus-Earth's defenses are fully breached, and The Fallen begins sending Decepticons to Earth en masse to find the Matrix of Leadership. Some of his lackeys find Sam in possession of the Allspark fragment and use it to revive Megatron from stasis-lock. At The Fallen's direction, they try to use Sam's connection to Primus-Earth to find the Matrix of Leadership.

- Optimus, the last of the Primes, is taken down by Megatron.

- Sam ends up with Jetfire, who is eager to repent for bringing the Primes to Primus-Earth with the harvester thousands of years ago, and who deliberately dropped off the radar when he returned to look for the Allspark under The Fallen's Decepticons.

- Possibly guided by Primus-Earth's insight, they end up at the tomb of the Primes, and recover the Matrix of Leadership, which self-destructs.

- Same dies. Primus-Earth connects him to the Primes that came to Primus-Earth years ago, who effectively make him a Prime. Primus-Earth revives him, and Sam uses his power to recreate the Matrix and revive Optimus Prime.

- The Fallen steals the Matrix and tries to restart the Harvester to destroy Primus-Earth.

- Optimus Prime kills The Fallen, and Megatron and Starscream flee, their incredibly powerful master having been destroyed easily by the Prime.

- Languishing in disgrace over his failure, and the loss of his mentor, Megatron retreats into the desert to rust while Starscream continues to fly about doing things, working with Soundwave, Shockwave, and some hood-winked humans to hatch a new plan to save Unicron-Cybertron.

- The uncover intel about Sentinel Prime and his true intentions and recover his technology - components of a massive space-bridge. They orchestrate his retrieval from the moon, and his infiltration back into the Autobot ranks.

- Still serving Unicron-Cybertron, Sentinel Prime betrays the Autobots, and with the help of The Fallen's former soldiers, constructs the space-bridge, and begins to summon Unicron-Cybertron to Primus-Earth for a big meal.

- Sentinel Prime is killed, and Megatron apparently is, as well.

- Unicron-Cybertron is kicked back across space, but Quint now knows Earth is Primus, and sends Lockdown to kill Optimus Prime and sway the humans into his/her service, using the cyberforming technology as a bargaining chip.

- Lockdown orchestrates the humans' betrayal of the Autobots, as well as Megatron's revival as Galvatron. (So, Megatron is reformatted into Galvatron by Unicron, albeit, indirectly.)

- Lockdown dies, but sews enough hints to lead Optimus Prime into the clutches of Quint, who has been guiding Unicron-Cybertron directly to Primus-Earth.

- Quint tells Optimus she's the "Prime of Life" who created him and the other Cybertronians, which is technically true, but omits the part about Primus's involvement. She tries to sell the idea that Earth is Unicron, and that it must be destroyed to save Cybertron.

- Optimus proves very stubborn, and unable to subvert Optimus as easily as she did The Fallen, Sentinel Prime, or Megatron, Quint resorts to outright overriding Optimus's programming to make him believe her.

- Now Nemesis Prime, a servant of Unicron-Cybertron, Optimus leads the attack on Primus-Earth.

- When Optimus comes to his senses, Megatron (now having fully regained his identity), picks up the reigns of the offensive and attempts to help Unicron-Cybertron devour Primus-Earth, enacting the will of his former master, The Fallen.

- The Decepticons and Quint are defeated by the combined heroes' forces. Quint escapes and perpetuates the lie that Primus is Unicron.

- Optimus and the Knights of Cybertron, only having learned half of the truth about Quint and their creation, return to Unicron-Cybertron, unwittingly intending to rebuild their greatest enemy.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:52 am

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Earth has Unicron Horns in the movie, though. And Stonehenge is the iconic Unicron maw.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby griftimus prime » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:08 am

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Caelus » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:30 am

Sabrblade wrote:Earth has Unicron Horns in the movie, though. And Stonehenge is the iconic Unicron maw.


But Cybertron is the one that actually tries to eact a planet, and remember what Batman said...
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:35 am

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Caelus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Earth has Unicron Horns in the movie, though. And Stonehenge is the iconic Unicron maw.


But Cybertron is the one that actually tries to eat a planet, and remember what Batman said...
It doesn't try to "eat" the Earth. Quintessa manipulates Cybertron by having it scrape the Earth, and uses the Ignition Chamber to try draining the Earth of its geothermal (I think?) energy to put Cybertron back together.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Caelus » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:03 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Caelus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Earth has Unicron Horns in the movie, though. And Stonehenge is the iconic Unicron maw.


But Cybertron is the one that actually tries to eat a planet, and remember what Batman said...
It doesn't try to "eat" the Earth. Quintessa manipulates Cybertron by having it scrape the Earth, and uses the Ignition Chamber to try draining the Earth of its geothermal (I think?) energy to put Cybertron back together.


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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Tyrannacon » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:20 pm

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Wellp... I watched it and really... I don't know what quite to think other than the fact that it is the same re-used plot point of "MacGuffin will tip the balance or whatever and people are fighting with robots and there's explosions and lens flare and stuff!" I don't hate the Bay films, they are decent action flicks mostly, but there's a lot of fatigue with the plot point they keep re-using and just changing the details of over and over again. It's repetitive. It's problematic because of that and I feel that's a lot of the reason why these mediocre to poorly conceived.

Problematic is exactly the word I would use at this point because of how excessive it has all become and how it is the same story with details changed. The franchise needs either a reboot or someone else at the helm, which is the same argument I had seen voiced since even before Dark of the Moon and way back with Revenge of the Fallen. The Last Knight does do some good though, and I'm going to mention those here.

Since Revenge of the Fallen, this is our first film that goes back to the bedrock of the past and actually makes connections and things with greater aspects of the mythos from basically like a breakfast buffet with changes to make it more unique or so I am guessing. Beyond that, the Autobots are pretty consistent in their behavior and I feel less "murder-y" at times. Still they have the anti-hero thing going more than anything because of the grit of the film and the whole aspects tied to that. From there, I like the fact that the Decepticons were actually Decepticons in this film. It's been a long overdo portrayal I feel. They haven't been portrayed like this since the first film and even then they register as anti-villains all the way through. I think the best part about TLK is that the Con's finally had all the qualities they should and were shown to have a lot of characterization even in their brief exchanges. Long overdue and I think it was nailed decently enough.

The characterization of Megatron (with exception of again playing lackey to another big bad), Nitro Zeus, Barricade, Mohawk, Onslaught, and even Berserker was decently done. I thought the brief bit with Berserker was hilarious in some ways actually, but I am darker than most. The Suicide Squad reference was definitely interesting in some ways too and wasn't a completely terrible idea. Though the same problem is there of a few of them disappearing later in the later bit of the film or just killed unceremoniously so that new characters can be brought in for future films.

Going on the bad guy subject, Quintessa is an interesting big bad too. She is hybrid of things but entirely different all at the same time and that's what makes it intriguing to me. Just there's a lot of problems in the wider continuity with little to no reconciliation of it all and that's hurting the films too. The other problem here is that once again we are seeing Megatron play "second banana" to another big bad. I love Megatron immensely, but he hasn't been really the big bad since the first film and that's...beyond distressing for me. Revenge of the Fallen may have given him more moments to show his power and Age of Extinction showed us someone spited by Prime and conniving enough to manipulate Joshua Joyce and KSI into building him a new body. I like the fact he ditched the "Galvatron" moniker even though that feeling is unpopular. My rationale is that he hasn't had a complete change in character or personality like his G1 upgrade from Megatron to Galvatron though. Though G1 Galvatron was mostly nuts because of his plasma bath destroying his circuits. In the end, we don't see why he goes back though or how him and Quintessa came into contact with each other and working together. We are just left to assume at this point and that's hard because of constant twists and turns in the continuity.

Personally this is where a bit of disappointment happened for me. I was hoping not so much for Megatron to have a change of heart, but pull the wool over everybody's eyes and backstab Quintessa entirely to the point it made her death ambiguous and Optimus really have blood on his hands (quite literally) as he basically screwed Earth over altogether in the end because of being brainwashed. The films always have pushed the "good guys to win" no matter the stake. It makes it hard to feel like what you watched was worth it on that note because you know the good guys are gonna win in the end. The equation is routine in the films: Autobots + Humanity = Onward to Victory! and that's the formula these films continually follow in addition to the powerful MacGuffin artifact of enlightenment and ultimate doom as well. It's to the point of "Enough"

Venturing this out there, because I thought it was a neat concept to throw in there as it works in the past: I wanted to see Optimus and Megatron working together because those were my favorite moments before in the cartoon, even Transformers Prime did it well enough too. Even with Optimus being brainwashed or just was being manipulated it would still have been a good angle to go in the end. I am disappointed here as well because of the missed opportunity.

The angle with Unicron was a nice setup of course. I just hope it doesn't crap the bed in the future and I really hope Michael Bay passes the torch for reals this time to someone that is less focused on explosive things and focused on telling a story, with characters, and a unique plot that does not involve some powerful object to tip the scales and balance of stuff. That it also shows the Cons winning in some way in the end to make them more of a credible threat.

In the end, I appreciate the first film and even the second film (even though it has a lot of problems) for getting me back into Transformers by renewing my interest. After Beast Machines and Robots in Disguise (2001) being on at odd times I sort of threw it on the side. The Bay films nourished the seeds to help it grow again and it did push me to dig deeper. Beyond this I credit Steven Jablonsky with making a compelling score for all of the films too. He does awesome work as a composer and the music is one of the few good parts of the films. "Arrival to Earth" is often cited as a very emotionally powerfully driven track and I agree with that sentiment myself. I love the Decepticon theme as well as a lot of the other stuff. Lockdown's theme from the fourth film I particularly love as well. I hope he stays on and keeps doing a good job.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:05 pm

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This is the thread for spoiler discussion.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Tyrannacon » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:37 am

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Tyrannacon wrote:(Spoilers are discussed in this post, if you don't care about those, keep going)
This is the thread for spoiler discussion.


Ah. Sorry. I got a bit turned around there. I figured they wouldn't be spoilers so much as the film has been out now for a while and the fact that I tried to generalize my arguments instead of doing a genuine review. I wanted a bit of a warning though going forward just as a "cover me" deal.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Nexus Knight » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:27 pm

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So, finally finally saw the Last Knight. And... I have to say, it was actually kinda awesome. Based on the reviews and the box office performance, I thought this would be worse than RotF (which I sorta liked, but wouldn't watch unless rewatching the entire series all together). But... no. My father and I are in the agreement in the fact that it was the best of the series. I'm actually in some puzzlement of why it has been so panned.

True, the Cybertron in Earth's atmosphere thing is pretty much meaning we're screwed, but there's another movie coming along that may offer some explanation. True, there's the discontinuity with Galvatron losing his Transformium powers and returning to using the name Megatron. But the Unicron Trilogy has done this before, so we can't act too surprised by this trick being pulled again. Plus, once again, another movie in the works that could explain it.

One thing I don't entirely understand in the reviews I have read is how much "toxic masculinity (and female objectification)" is in the movie. Where was this seen...? Viviane was never in a position I'd call "female objectification" and probably did more in the movie than Cade. And I don't believe any of Cade's actions to be "toxic masculinity". He did what I'd think any protective guy (who is a father, so it comes from something) would do in every situation he was faced with.

Finally, a theory I had after watching the last scene. If Quintessa is supposed to be an evil minded character, why is she so gungho about killing the Chaos Bringer? Is there any reason to believe that this Unicron is evil? It's just a theory that's admittedly not too real thought out, but it would be interesting idea, anyways.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby EunuchRon » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:01 am

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Well... it's not like a bad guy can't steal juice from another bad guy.. but then she was called Quintessa the Deceiver. Maybe she wouldn't have killed Unicron at all, and that was part of a big lie? If Unicron is going to be the next "big bad", then she could have just been trying to wake him up.

I just wanna know why everyone keeps sending stuff to Earth. If Earth really is Unicron, you got the Allspark landing here, the solar power thing in the second movie, the Ark with the space bridge pillars, the cyberforming and Transformium... I can just imagine Unicron waking up and screaming "GET OFF MY LAWN! I'M TRYIN' TO SLEEP HERE!"
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Tyrannacon » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:19 pm

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So I've seen TLK three times, and I think I have a better appreciation (if you can call it that) on the third time. In my experience you can still be critical of something and still enjoy it. Having criticisms doesn't mean you hate the thing. That said, I didn't mind it and my dad (an outsider to TF mythos & fandom) didn't mind it actually. He said he liked it a lot better than what he thought he would. So from a general audience deal he was on board. He also loves action films, which kind of goes back to the thing I said about the Bayformers films being suitable action films (mostly) but when it comes to Transformers stuff they are heavily problematic.

My third viewing, while I did enjoy it, it didn't really soften my points from before. In fact, A lot of my original points still stand and really we do need more character driven stories if this continuity can be salvaged. I guess we will see in the Bumblebee film when that comes out. The main thing I have issue with is immersion due to the perceived contradictions in the films. I feel like it should be straight forward in some ways, but I understand that the multiverses are twisty-turny themselves. I think I just need to sit back, and take in the extraneous details along with the prequel aspects and sort it out from the jumble they are. I feel storytelling shouldn't be that complicated and Bay's action "Bayhem" style has a lot to do with the reason why stuff is so jumbled. He glosses too much over exposition even when it is needed. I do appreciate still he pushed the series back into spotlight nonetheless.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby TulioDude » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:03 pm

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Took some time to write my feelings on this movie(not on chronological order):

-Hot Rod was great!He so exemplary in his scenes,because every time he shows up we get to see a little more of his personallity.I didnt mind he that he as different from G1 self,the "chosen one" angle he had in the past wasnt necessary.

-Sqweeks was cute,but felt like belonged on the initial drafts of the script,because they way the interacts with the rest of the cast.

-The way the one of the kids flirts with Isabella was weird,and Viviane staring at the shirtless Cade was silly,but its was quick,and didnt ruin the movie for me.

-The people that say this movie has no plot have no idea what the're talking.I would argue this movie has too much plot!I would liked to have seen some more focus on some parts,but it was still fun.

-One of the things they need in the future is imporve their marketing,because some of things they teased didnt come to fruition.Like one of the offical synopses had the "rethink your heroes" hinting while Optimus became evil,Megatron would the good guy.While he did work wiht the humans he hadnt a change of heart yet.Kind like some the marketing for Age of Extinction implied the Dinobots would be the main focus.

-The action was great!I like all the different angles they chose take the camera shot.

Nexus Knight wrote:So, finally finally saw the Last Knight. And... I have to say, it was actually kinda awesome. Based on the reviews and the box office performance, I thought this would be worse than RotF (which I sorta liked, but wouldn't watch unless rewatching the entire series all together). But... no. My father and I are in the agreement in the fact that it was the best of the series. I'm actually in some puzzlement of why it has been so panned.


Finally, a theory I had after watching the last scene. If Quintessa is supposed to be an evil minded character, why is she so gungho about killing the Chaos Bringer? Is there any reason to believe that this Unicron is evil? It's just a theory that's admittedly not too real thought out, but it would be interesting idea, anyways.

I was thinking about it recently,and still wonder,why she wanna destroy Unicron in the first place?Unicron horns wouldn't even appear if she hadn't flinged Cybertron against Earth.Unicron didnt do anyhting wrong yet.

-The Transformers robot characters screen time has been increasing by each film and I was so happy to see Transformers: The Last Knight continue this trend.We got the see them hang out more outside of battle,more individual dialogue for each,interactions with each other and they all were distinctive from one another.I would love to see this keep happening going foward with this series.

-Cogman is the best.

Overall this is a solid 3 out 5 stars.This movie is fun.I can see the flaws that it has,and I do agree they need to change up the format if the want to be part of this big movie series,but it had also many great things going for it.
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby Stuartmaximus » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:15 am

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I'll probably get chastised for this!(what's new ;)) isn't the film due out on DVD/Blu Ray...ect...any day now? so is there still a need for a spoiler thread
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Re: SPOILER Thread for Transformers: The Last Knight *review with spoilers added 6/20*

Postby EunuchRon » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:11 am

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Some peeps don't go to the theatre anymore and just stream or buy it on DVD.
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