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insanity 22 wrote:I really don't know how I feel about Prime killing Megatron that fast. But if you think about it
TF 1 prequel: Megatron ripped out BB's voicebox
TF 1 Megatron ripped, Jazz his 1st lieutenant, in two
ROTF: Megatron killed Optimus
DOTM:Optimus was betrayed, Sentinel killed Ironhide with cosmic rust which IMO is worse than murder and also, Sentinel took his arm offSo if I was Optimus I would be a little bitter too.

where exactly did you get the "cosmic rust" part from??

I clearly saw Sentinel prime shoot various times at ironhide from the back. then proceed to ripp him apart.

once ironhide was dead,his head fell off & his body began to decompose.

deathy wrote:

insanity 22 wrote:I really don't know how I feel about Prime killing Megatron that fast. But if you think about it
TF 1 prequel: Megatron ripped out BB's voicebox
TF 1 Megatron ripped, Jazz his 1st lieutenant, in two
ROTF: Megatron killed Optimus
DOTM:Optimus was betrayed, Sentinel killed Ironhide with cosmic rust which IMO is worse than murder and also, Sentinel took his arm offSo if I was Optimus I would be a little bitter too.

where exactly did you get the "cosmic rust" part from??

I clearly saw Sentinel prime shoot various times at ironhide from the back. then proceed to ripp him apart.

once ironhide was dead,his head fell off & his body began to decompose.

Why the hell else would he decompose?

deathy wrote:
where exactly did you get the "cosmic rust" part from??

I clearly saw Sentinel prime shoot various times at ironhide from the back. then proceed to ripp him apart.

once ironhide was dead,his head fell off & his body began to decompose.

I believe some people mentioned that the novel describes a special cannon Sentinel Prime has.

Unfortunately it was the only spoiler that managed to slip past my defences, lessening the impact of that moment for me. But it sure looked like exactly what happened to Ironhide. He just got eaten alive by rust and disintegrated. What a poopy moment for me, since Ironhide was my favourite Autobot, and immediately after he and Sideswipe looked so damn cool finishing off the Dreads.

That scene incidentally really decided me that Sentinel Prime wasn't a torn and troubled soul. There seemed to be a real wicked glee since Ironhide was already stunned, but the fact he continued pumping shots into him means he really wanted him dead. Plus his snide "You're discharged from duty" or something like that really makes what happened in the end where Prime executes him entirely justified in my opinion.

By the way, I'm not 'spoilerizing' my posts. I assume that anyone who visits this forum already has watched DOTM or doesn't care about spoilers?

No cosmic rust, people. An acid rust cannon. Acid. Rust.

Bonecrusher27 wrote:

deathy wrote:
where exactly did you get the "cosmic rust" part from??

I clearly saw Sentinel prime shoot various times at ironhide from the back. then proceed to ripp him apart.

once ironhide was dead,his head fell off & his body began to decompose.

I believe some people mentioned that the novel describes a special cannon Sentinel Prime has.

Unfortunately it was the only spoiler that managed to slip past my defences, lessening the impact of that moment for me. But it sure looked like exactly what happened to Ironhide. He just got eaten alive by rust and disintegrated. What a poopy moment for me, since Ironhide was my favourite Autobot, and immediately after he and Sideswipe looked so damn cool finishing off the Dreads.

That scene incidentally really decided me that Sentinel Prime wasn't a torn and troubled soul. There seemed to be a real wicked glee since Ironhide was already stunned, but the fact he continued pumping shots into him means he really wanted him dead. Plus his snide "You're discharged from duty" or something like that really makes what happened in the end where Prime executes him entirely justified in my opinion.

By the way, I'm not 'spoilerizing' my posts. I assume that anyone who visits this forum already has watched DOTM or doesn't care about spoilers?

No need to worry about spoilers in this here thread, s'all good man.

I agree about Sentinel. He repeatedly said they were Gods. So you know his ego was off the charts.

I think the issue with the executions is that a lot of us have grown up with the hero myth. They guy who is better than his enemies, better than his peers, better than us. Its an ideal not a realistic portrayal perhaps.

But we dont want obi wan to kill defeated anakin, we dont want luke to kill defeated vader, we dont want wolverine to stab a depowered magneto. Hell even John McClane, the republican wet dream, never summarily executes his vanquished foe. To kill an unarmed or wounded and broken foe is not the standard hollywood has prepared us for.

So for prime to execute twice in the space of seconds, betrays everything we were thought to believe is heroic. What were his options, arrest megs and sentinal, trust megs (bad choice), show mercy. All options with flaws in themselves.

What we wanted was a heroic battle where prime battles the odds, and defeats both in fair combat, where it was kill or be killed. Hell even the trope of the surrendering foe, then sneakily attacking would have been more satisfactory for a lot of us.

Whilst i dont approve nor enjoy the edning, it was better than trusting megatron and letting him rebuild cybertron

SlyTF1 wrote:

Bonecrusher27 wrote:

Optimus Primevil wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote: As far as the whole Megan Fox issue, i don't see any stabs at her. Sam said she dumped him. How's that a stab?

not that it's a stab but it is kinda weak to say she just dumps him for no stated reason. at least this is one case that it would've been better to killed a character off.

Actually Sam says something to the effect of "left me for someone better". And later on, of Carly he says "I've finally found someone who loves me for me." or somesuch. That's dirt cast on memory of the Mikaela character. More directly at Megan Fox, did you notice that scene with at Sam's workplace where his boss is arguing with a Megan Fox-type character? Maybe it's just me, but that scene seems to be a direct thumbs down to Mega Fox.

I'm guessing since Sam went off to college, finnished and wasn't fighting any giant robots, she got bored. It really does fit the character and I'm not surprised.

in what world was she like that.

She stuck with sam when he went to college out of state. She was putting herself in front of a webcam to have a chat with sam whilst he was off gallivanting at his party. Most women as hot as megan fox/mikaela, dont spend their weekends having web chats wih they boyf.

She was loyal to sam, she defended bumblebee in LA/mission city.


And bay to quote myself, acted like the guy who got dumped and then tells all his friends, oh she was mental, she wasnt that hot, she smelt, etc. Its a douche move, a childish petty sad pathetic slur on another human and unbecoming of a man of his age.

and the lines used

"bitch" (something a few on here seem to agree with him on

"well this one is much prettier"

"im with someone who treats me better/appreciates me"

SlyTF1 wrote:

deathy wrote:

insanity 22 wrote:I really don't know how I feel about Prime killing Megatron that fast. But if you think about it
TF 1 prequel: Megatron ripped out BB's voicebox
TF 1 Megatron ripped, Jazz his 1st lieutenant, in two
ROTF: Megatron killed Optimus
DOTM:Optimus was betrayed, Sentinel killed Ironhide with cosmic rust which IMO is worse than murder and also, Sentinel took his arm offSo if I was Optimus I would be a little bitter too.

where exactly did you get the "cosmic rust" part from??

I clearly saw Sentinel prime shoot various times at ironhide from the back. then proceed to ripp him apart.

once ironhide was dead,his head fell off & his body began to decompose.

Why the hell else would he decompose?

no need to get all natsy in your reply.

I was only asking a simple question in the most polite manner possible.

ANYWAYS like several repliers said,the info came from the DTM Novel. it was,'t cosmic rust like the replier said it was. it was acid Rust,that came out of one of sentinel prime's canons.

THEIR IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MIS-CALLING IT COSMIC RUST INSTEAD OF ACID RUST. Cosmic rust was a plague that couldn't be hardened inside a big gun/canon/weappon.

Since sentinel prime was labeled as a scientist. he most likely created the chemicals+weapons to shoot out the acid rust from his canons in the DOTM movie.

FWIW,Various TF characters in the live action TF movies decomposed in a similar fashion to the way ironhide did. like when optimus killed the fallen his body broke apart & he decomposed a bit.

HONESTLY movies rarely follow the novel adaption to the 100% degree. so until I see official proof that sentinel prime fired acid rust from his canons to kill ironhide. I'm going to just believe he just shot up ironhide using a non-acid rust canon/weapon.

I was really interested to see how Megan Fox's character would be written out and, not surprisingly, the easy way was taken.

Personal feelings aside, an honorable departure for Mikaela would only be fitting, but one thing the live action series will never be accused of is showing too much class.

I actually felt bad for Megatron. Maybe his desire for conquest disappeared with the missing half of his head, yet when he finally wakes up and appears in the film, he gets killed (for now).

Then again, the last 2 movies made me feel sympathy for ALL the Decepticons; outnumbering the Autobots 200 to 9 in DOTM, they still manage to lose.

With the Autobots taking a total of 2 confirmed casualties (1 because he was shot in the back by a supposed ally) and perhaps 2 more little guys whose fate is undetermined.

I do have to commend the Decepticons on their perseverance, though.

Perhaps it's their fault, after all. They recruited the wrong Prime. They should have recruited Optimus, once a much-beloved, wise, compassionate, humorous hero (written by writers of an '80s cartoon, mind you) turned one-dimensional bad ass who wraps up the climax of each movie when he decides to finally show up and start chopping off heads(written by Hollywood script writers).

In regards to Prime offing Megs, I personally think it would have been much more fitting if it had gone down thus:

Megs asks Prime for a truce. Prime says something inspiring about brotherhood or some such Prime stuff and agrees. Prime lets his guard down for a second and Megs strikes at him, perhaps putting another hole in Prime's already busted up chassis. Megs gloats over Prime for a second, then Prime gets his second wind and strikes back in one last desperate attack which ends with his axe buried in Megs' head. Prime has taken the high road, only killing Megs because Megs forces his hand. Character integrity saved.

It seems strange that Bay borrowed heavily from G1 episodes "Ultimate Doom" and "Megatron's Master Plan", yet did not even consider this slight retool of the famous scene from the 80's TF animated movie.

In regards to Megan, I really could care less if she was ever in the movies to begin with, but being that she was in 2 of them, I was concerned that her sudden absence would leave a serious plot hole. And lo and behold, as far as I'm concerned, it did.

Spielberg pretty much let his personal animosity disrupt the flow of a 3-part project. This has nothing to do with whether what she said was right or wrong and I don't want to even get into that debate here. The fact was that this was not the FIRST movie. It was part of an ongoing 3 chapter story with important main character personal plots building up throughout chapter one and two. Spielberg basically said "screw the work Bay and the writers put into one and two. My delicate sensibilities are injured so I'm going to put a nice hole in their work in my drive to punish Fox". It would have been one thing to use his omniscient powers over Hollywood to see that she never got another gig again AFTER TF3, in itself petty and vindictive, but at least he wouldn't have had to interrupt DOTM's story flow, leaving a quite obvious glitch.

shamone wrote: So for prime to execute twice in the space of seconds, betrays everything we were thought to believe is heroic.

I think generation gaps have alot to do with it. After speaking to a younger crowd who saw the movie, they all aplauded optimus "violent" streak towards the end, Alot of us grew up with a different Optimus, so i can understand were some may not how it all went down. personally, i preffered this Optimus over the compationite one i grew up with. He was more believeable concidering his surroundings.

shamone wrote:What were his options, arrest megs and sentinal, trust megs (bad choice), show mercy. All options with flaws in themselves.

And what about the betrayal that Optimus suffered? Though he never in his millions of years of life would have thought that it would happen, he was betrayed by his mentor, leader, and friend. Yes, i would have prefferd Optimus killed both him and Megs in battle, but either way both needed to die. Sentinel wasn't going to change his ways. And Megs truce came with a condition. So while a "fair fight" so to speak might have been preffered, i still believe O.Prime's behavior was completely justified.

Cobalt Prime wrote: It would have been one thing to use his omniscient powers over Hollywood to see that she never got another gig again AFTER TF3, in itself petty and vindictive, but at least he wouldn't have had to interrupt DOTM's story flow, leaving a quite obvious glitch.

I saw zero glitches in the story line related to Megan's Absence. personally, i couldn't see Mikeala in the same role as Carly. Mikeala'a character was a lot more rough around the edges than Carly and wouldn't have fit in as Dylan's personal assistant.

I also find it funny that while so many complained about the bots not having enough screen time, there's so much fuss over the absence of a human character.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Cobalt Prime wrote: It would have been one thing to use his omniscient powers over Hollywood to see that she never got another gig again AFTER TF3, in itself petty and vindictive, but at least he wouldn't have had to interrupt DOTM's story flow, leaving a quite obvious glitch.

I saw zero glitches in the story line related to Megan's Absence. personally, i couldn't see Mikeala in the same role as Carly. Mikeala'a character was a lot more rough around the edges than Carly and wouldn't have fit in as Dylan's personal assistant.

I also find it funny that while so many complained about the bots not having enough screen time, there's so much fuss over the absence of a human character.

Of course, bear in mind that if Mikaela WAS in the third movie, the story would have been written with her "rough around the edges" persona in mind. Several elements would have changed as a result, including the high class museum part.

totally agree with the original poster...Megan replaced by tire-lips killed what little the trilogy had to offer as far as human involvement. And Megatron's defeated in a new time-record!

shamone wrote:
in what world was she like that.

She stuck with sam when he went to college out of state. She was putting herself in front of a webcam to have a chat with sam whilst he was off gallivanting at his party. Most women as hot as megan fox/mikaela, dont spend their weekends having web chats wih they boyf.

She was loyal to sam, she defended bumblebee in LA/mission city.


And bay to quote myself, acted like the guy who got dumped and then tells all his friends, oh she was mental, she wasnt that hot, she smelt, etc. Its a douche move, a childish petty sad pathetic slur on another human and unbecoming of a man of his age.

Actually I was really surprised he did that. Then again from what I've read and even listening to some of his movie commentaries, I always did think there were certain aspects to the man that are pretty immature. Not that anyone else is perfect, mind. I'm sure we all act out. But the more powerful you are, the greater the scale in which you can act out I suppose

I watched the movie yesterday for a second time and something cought my eye... perhaps i'm drawing lines here but IMHO its something which COULD explain megatrons change in attitude at the end of the movie.

In fact it was hinted at the beginiing of the movie and even in ROTF XD

Did anyone notice how megs took care of the hatchlings in the scene where he meets up with starscream?
He was alone in a somewhat shabby looking camp and tending to the rest of the hatchlings which did made it through rotf, perhaps in that time he started to think and doubt his actions ^^

which could explain why he offered peace to optimus and perhaps his request was genuine.

alas with megatron you'll never know for sure ^^

Little late here, but Mikaela... I missed her character. And I hated Carly. After everything Mikaela and Sam went through, after the Pyramids and Alice and Mission City and getting in the car, no way in the Pit she'd dump him. No. Way.

Carly was a vapid waste of protoplasm. I HATED her. With the exception of her and Megatron, completely useless. And considering old Megs' shape, a dog barking at him would've engendered the same effect!

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Little late here, but Mikaela... I missed her character. And I hated Carly. After everything Mikaela and Sam went through, after the Pyramids and Alice and Mission City and getting in the car, no way in the Pit she'd dump him. No. Way.

Carly was a vapid waste of protoplasm. I HATED her. With the exception of her and Megatron, completely useless. And considering old Megs' shape, a dog barking at him would've engendered the same effect!

This is nothing but bias clouding your judgment.

Carly worked for an embassy.
She was an executive assistant for Hotchkiss/Gould.
She was intelligent enough to tell the cavalry where to go and what was at stake, and she was able to rub salt in Megatron's wound.

Mikaela painted bikes in her Dad's bike shop.
It was probably her first job.
She killed Alice. (Whoopity doo.)

Megan Fox is not an actress, and I give her credit for trying.
Rosie Huntington-Whitely is a model and not an actress, but for her first try, she succeeded. She has genuine talent.

I admit I have bias towards Megan Fox, however, my dislike of her is not enough to say she's ruined the experience for me. Even I can rise above it and give her some credit. You can't even do that for Rosie.

She's 10 times the actress and eye candy that Megan Fox is. Why? Because there's some intelligence behind the pretty face.

Autobot032 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Little late here, but Mikaela... I missed her character. And I hated Carly. After everything Mikaela and Sam went through, after the Pyramids and Alice and Mission City and getting in the car, no way in the Pit she'd dump him. No. Way.

Carly was a vapid waste of protoplasm. I HATED her. With the exception of her and Megatron, completely useless. And considering old Megs' shape, a dog barking at him would've engendered the same effect!

This is nothing but bias clouding your judgment.

Carly worked for an embassy.
She was an executive assistant for Hotchkiss/Gould.
She was intelligent enough to tell the cavalry where to go and what was at stake, and she was able to rub salt in Megatron's wound.

All correct. Not to mention her purpose was also to blackmail Sam into attempting to find out the autobots plan. Sam was esentially the only one who could possible infiltrate the Autobots. They needed to show how much they cared for each other since holding her hostage was the only way Sam would do what the Decepticons wanted.

So as much as people may not want to admit, having human characters, and even a love story was relevent to the overall story.

probably because without humans it'll be a non-stop explosion fest full of dynamic kills. it might be fun during the first 30 minutes but will be boring beyond that

Maybe he wanted OP to become his pet?

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Bonecrusher27 wrote:I've heard people keep saying this! I have to watch it again later. I didn't pick up that Megatron offered peace. I thought he killed Sentinel first so he could finish of Prime himself.

"What we need is a truce, all that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, where would you be without me?"

Autobot032 wrote:Mikaela painted bikes in her Dad's bike shop.
It was probably her first job.
She killed Alice. (Whoopity doo.)

did simmons honor the deal sam made in the first movie or was mr barnes sentence up and got released anyway? if it's the second option then having a juvie record will hurt mikaela's career options.

and she beheaded frenzy and blow torched wheelie's eye


someone really needs to redo the army of darkness poster with megan fox(chainsaw on one hand, blowtorch on the other) as ash and shia as the girl.

Autobot032 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Little late here, but Mikaela... I missed her character. And I hated Carly. After everything Mikaela and Sam went through, after the Pyramids and Alice and Mission City and getting in the car, no way in the Pit she'd dump him. No. Way.

Carly was a vapid waste of protoplasm. I HATED her. With the exception of her and Megatron, completely useless. And considering old Megs' shape, a dog barking at him would've engendered the same effect!

This is nothing but bias clouding your judgment.

Carly worked for an embassy.
She was an executive assistant for Hotchkiss/Gould.
She was intelligent enough to tell the cavalry where to go and what was at stake, and she was able to rub salt in Megatron's wound.

Mikaela painted bikes in her Dad's bike shop.
It was probably her first job.
She killed Alice. (Whoopity doo.)

Megan Fox is not an actress, and I give her credit for trying.
Rosie Huntington-Whitely is a model and not an actress, but for her first try, she succeeded. She has genuine talent.

I admit I have bias towards Megan Fox, however, my dislike of her is not enough to say she's ruined the experience for me. Even I can rise above it and give her some credit. You can't even do that for Rosie.

She's 10 times the actress and eye candy that Megan Fox is. Why? Because there's some intelligence behind the pretty face.

i love that you accuse the other poster of bias, then produce a supremely biased post.

Mikaela did so much more during the movies than carly

GodMagnus wrote:I also want to mention that little chat Carly had with Megatron felt like it should have been Mikaela saying that instead.

You'd just be sentinel's bitch!
Still, megatron, how he died, was just WRONG. WTF Optimus.... WTF.....

I'm glad that someone posted this topic. It hit me when I watched the movie again and caught the scene where Sentinel orders the Decepticons to launch the pillars. First of all, the line deserved a more dramatic delivery regardless of who said it. Mainly, though- that should have been Megatron's line, not Sentinel's. I don't care how weakened Megatron was...the Megs I "know" would never have let an Autobot, even an Autobot defector, give orders to his men. As he said, the leader of the Decepticons was always him.

As far as Megan Fox - meh. Don't care one way or the other. I liked Carly a lot, though...she fit in better with Dylan than Mikaela would have.

they said a new villian was shockwave to me it seemed more like sentinel was the villian don't get me wrong shockwave was good an yea the way they did away with megatron was wrong I think what they should of done was have one of the decepticons kill megan fox at the start or soon after in the movie...like megatron or starscream