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Starscreech wrote:8) starscream is cool even when megatron snaps on him in the movie

True, True. But Bay just had to make Starscream only a little screentime on ss which makes me quite angry but overall the movie was good.

HoosierDaddy wrote:Are we unable to allow our imaginations to run wild anymore now days? Do we have to have an explaination for everything in every movie? It's a movie. It's meant to be enjoyed. I find it funny how many people accept that the movie has giant alien robots but then they want an explaination for things like, why did his nose burn in the thin atmosphere and why was he able to go into outter space. LOL.

It's like people are no longer able to enjoy fiction anymore because they have to have an explaination for everything. That is why a lot of G1 fans were disappointed with the movie before it came out. It seemed as if everything was made to be REAL. But the movie is fantasy. It shouldn't have to be explained with any other explaination then, "it's a movie. A science-FICTION."

I totally agree with you on that point. It reminds of when I was watching Star Wars Tech on the History Channel and these dudes are going off about how vehicles like the X-wing would not be flying as they do in the movie due to it being in space and, therefore, what we commonly see as 'dogfights' in Earth's atmosphere would be drastically different in space. Oh, and there would be no sound. Well, I know that, but for a few hours of movie fun I'd kinda like to suspend belief so I can just enjoy the friggin' film. No one likes a buzzkill. Especially when it comes to movies of the science fiction / fantasy genre. It even says it in the title of the genre; science "fiction" and "fantasy". Get it, it's not real.

Bumblebee-otch wrote:that was the first time i've seen that!

yeah, he looks like he starts spinning and making that "wah-wah-waah" noise like he is transforming into something a little more deep-space appropriate. like the millennium falcon.

Exactly what I was saying!

An_de wrote:When I watched the movie, I clearly saw that he transforms into something else, not Raptor, something like a space-travelling mode.

Night Raid wrote:

fnlrun wrote:What I find interesting is the formation of fire and heat around the nose of SS. The atmosphere is thinner as you get closer to space and therefore the accumalation of heat would not be there. Only on re-entry would you have a friction fire in front of you---

How do we know what altitude he was at? And besides, doesn't it make a difference how fast he was going in that case? The faster you go, the more wind resistance you encounter.

Oh, and he's not a Raptor. He's a fricken giant alien robot that LOOKS like a Raptor.

Actually my friend it DOES matter where he was, you could see the curvature of the earth and after spending the last 10 years as a maintainer on the U-2 I can tell you he was close to 45-50 miles up there. Basically no air-no atmosphere, no resistance---NO FIRE!! And the greatsest wind resistance you can have against you in the lower atmosphere is just before Mach 1, after you cross 753 MPH at sea level everything smooths out as you are now faster than the pressure of the current elevation. At sea leval that would be 14.7 psi. Thats why the Space shuttle does not go "throttles up" untill after it breaks the 1st sound barrier.--God I love physcics

Transformation619 wrote:In the movie, I didn't get to see the credits, but found one on Youtube, then I've seen Starscream flying, since all the Decepticons died except for barricade and Scorponok,but HOW the hell did Starscream manage to escape the atmosphere with a Raptor? Only a space shuttle has enough power to fly through the atmosphere.
Not seen the credits?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vnKsN8eu9O4& ... ed&search=

Um he isnt limited to only what a raptor fighter jet could do. Otherwise he wouldnt be able to transform lol. I think many of us came to the same conclusion: he is a robot being from outerspace. Im sure he can produce enough thrust through the atmosphere and escape earths gravity. Besides, in his pre earth mode,according to the movie prequal comic and novel, he is a cybertronian jet too.

Just watched the YouTube Video, and all I can tell is he mutters something ....then says "Bumblebee", or "I will be...", spins around, and then kicks it into high gear. I don't see him changing form, just spinning around. His wings, and plane shape seem intact. He's pissed, and running to get reinforcements, no doubt. SS is a coward, but he doesn't run away for long.

The robot is solid mate... the plane raptor is disguise..
i think he says" Son of bitch" at the end takeoff

It sounds to me like he says "I want candy" which is clearly a reference to the fact that its being released on DVD so close to Halloween....

I've only been able to see the movie twice but does Starscream ever speak english? Who's to say it's not Cybertron gibber gabber... Perhaps someone should analyze all the of the alien language and decipher it for us. Or maybe the subtitles will explain it when the DVD is released.

Tekka wrote:I'd say the number one reason is; he is an alien robot from outer space.

I can't believe there are three pages to this thread when the answer was in the first reply.

Yours AK

Sportimus Prime wrote:Just watched the YouTube Video, and all I can tell is he mutters something ....then says "Bumblebee", or "I will be...", spins around, and then kicks it into high gear. I don't see him changing form, just spinning around. His wings, and plane shape seem intact. He's pissed, and running to get reinforcements, no doubt. SS is a coward, but he doesn't run away for long.

I don't see him changing form either. I think he's ordering Barricade to keep an eye on Bumblebee until SS returns with reinforcements.

Tekka wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Tekka wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Tekka wrote:I'd say the number one reason is; he is an alien robot from outer space.

Wrong, it is the only reason!

Now you're just being pedantic.

Do you mean that as an insult?

I do not insult people, my friend. It simply isn't good form.

Ahh, good cos I wikied it and it stated that it is often used as a insult.

HoosierDaddy wrote:Are we unable to allow our imaginations to run wild anymore now days? Do we have to have an explaination for everything in every movie? It's a movie. It's meant to be enjoyed. I find it funny how many people accept that the movie has giant alien robots but then they want an explaination for things like, why did his nose burn in the thin atmosphere and why was he able to go into outter space. LOL.

It's like people are no longer able to enjoy fiction anymore because they have to have an explaination for everything. That is why a lot of G1 fans were disappointed with the movie before it came out. It seemed as if everything was made to be REAL. But the movie is fantasy. It shouldn't have to be explained with any other explaination then, "it's a movie. A science-FICTION."

QFT!!!

I tried explaining this rather simple piece of logic to other users in a different thread who were wasting their time with trying to give a scientific explination ao to how the allspark shrunk. I simply said "its just a movie" and got crucified for it. People like that are really pathetic.


I think i can hear SS say something as he leaves earths atmosphere too, but i just cant make it out.

Aren't people allowed to discuss what they want, though? If someone has a TF-related question, surely this is the place to ask it? It doesn't matter if it's just a movie. People like to discuss trivial details about things they enjoy. People converse on die-cast or paint apps in relation to toys, or plotting and line art in relation to comics. Why can't they ask questions about a movie they enjoyed (or didn't, in some cases)?

Leonardo wrote:Aren't people allowed to discuss what they want, though? If someone has a TF-related question, surely this is the place to ask it? It doesn't matter if it's just a movie. People like to discuss trivial details about things they enjoy. People converse on die-cast or paint apps in relation to toys, or plotting and line art in relation to comics. Why can't they ask questions about a movie they enjoyed (or didn't, in some cases)?

There is a big difference between asking a simple question about something that actually matters or exists and looking too deep into things, especially works of science fiction.

Like the science of star wars people mentioned earlier, turning such things into scientific debates is just stupid and a waste of time. Sure some of the things that are talked about show these people are very smart and know alot about physics, but ffs its just a goddamn movie! Why are they wasting their knowledge and energy trying to figure out how a fictional alien robot transforms thats based off of a kids toy!?

Its just totally insane to me, i cant understand the motives of these people because its all just a total waste of time. Why cant these people put their knowledge to good use instead of wasting their time with trivial crap about a piece of mainstream science fiction about kids toys?

Asking a question is fine if its something like: Why do transformers transform?

Asking: HOW do transformers transform? Or: Why did SS burn up in earths atmosphere when he left? is stupid. Why? Because the answer ALWAYS is: its just a movie/ work of science fiction no matter how far people are willing to waste their time looking into it.

Why cant people just enjoy it? Why do they have to have everything explained to them in intricate, and unnecessary detail when the details where never there to begin with?

Dead Metal wrote:

Tekka wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Tekka wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Tekka wrote:I'd say the number one reason is; he is an alien robot from outer space.

Wrong, it is the only reason!

Now you're just being pedantic.

Do you mean that as an insult?

I do not insult people, my friend. It simply isn't good form.

Ahh, good cos I wikied it and it stated that it is often used as a insult.

That's strange. I've never thought of the word as an insult. What's insulting about being a stickler for detail?

It says its used by people as an insult to people that are like that, but why is beyond me!

Sonray wrote:

Leonardo wrote:Aren't people allowed to discuss what they want, though? If someone has a TF-related question, surely this is the place to ask it? It doesn't matter if it's just a movie. People like to discuss trivial details about things they enjoy. People converse on die-cast or paint apps in relation to toys, or plotting and line art in relation to comics. Why can't they ask questions about a movie they enjoyed (or didn't, in some cases)?

There is a big difference between asking a simple question about something that actually matters or exists and looking too deep into things, especially works of science fiction.

Like the science of star wars people mentioned earlier, turning such things into scientific debates is just stupid and a waste of time. Sure some of the things that are talked about show these people are very smart and know alot about physics, but ffs its just a goddamn movie! Why are they wasting their knowledge and energy trying to figure out how a fictional alien robot transforms thats based off of a kids toy!?

Its just totally insane to me, i cant understand the motives of these people because its all just a total waste of time. Why cant these people put their knowledge to good use instead of wasting their time with trivial crap about a piece of mainstream science fiction about kids toys?

Asking a question is fine if its something like: Why do transformers transform?

Asking: HOW do transformers transform? Or: Why did SS burn up in earths atmosphere when he left? is stupid. Why? Because the answer ALWAYS is: its just a movie/ work of science fiction no matter how far people are willing to waste their time looking into it.

Why cant people just enjoy it? Why do they have to have everything explained to them in intricate, and unnecessary detail when the details where never there to begin with?

It might be waste of time to you and me but to the people that ask (and answer) the questions it might be important or a worthwhile discussion. I don't see what the difference is between discussing details like this and discussing whether 70s Camaro Bumblebee should have painted or translucent windows. 70s Camaro Bumblebee is just a toy. These are just details people want to discuss. I myself don't see why so many people enjoy discussing what vehicles should be used in the sequel but I understand that people are interested and that to them such discussion isn't a waste of time.

red85_optimus wrote:The robot is solid mate... the plane raptor is disguise..
i think he says" Son of bitch" at the end takeoff

They don't say that in Cybertron. What he said was, "*$%&%&^$^#%^&#$&**"!

Seeing as he is a robot from outer space, and in the movie the Tf's don't seem to need spaceships, I'd say that SS blasting off was a fair bit for the movie. In fact I think it opened the door for a fantastic squeal.

Leonardo wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Leonardo wrote:Aren't people allowed to discuss what they want, though? If someone has a TF-related question, surely this is the place to ask it? It doesn't matter if it's just a movie. People like to discuss trivial details about things they enjoy. People converse on die-cast or paint apps in relation to toys, or plotting and line art in relation to comics. Why can't they ask questions about a movie they enjoyed (or didn't, in some cases)?

There is a big difference between asking a simple question about something that actually matters or exists and looking too deep into things, especially works of science fiction.

Like the science of star wars people mentioned earlier, turning such things into scientific debates is just stupid and a waste of time. Sure some of the things that are talked about show these people are very smart and know alot about physics, but ffs its just a goddamn movie! Why are they wasting their knowledge and energy trying to figure out how a fictional alien robot transforms thats based off of a kids toy!?

Its just totally insane to me, i cant understand the motives of these people because its all just a total waste of time. Why cant these people put their knowledge to good use instead of wasting their time with trivial crap about a piece of mainstream science fiction about kids toys?

Asking a question is fine if its something like: Why do transformers transform?

Asking: HOW do transformers transform? Or: Why did SS burn up in earths atmosphere when he left? is stupid. Why? Because the answer ALWAYS is: its just a movie/ work of science fiction no matter how far people are willing to waste their time looking into it.

Why cant people just enjoy it? Why do they have to have everything explained to them in intricate, and unnecessary detail when the details where never there to begin with?

It might be waste of time to you and me but to the people that ask (and answer) the questions it might be important or a worthwhile discussion. I don't see what the difference is between discussing details like this and discussing whether 70s Camaro Bumblebee should have painted or translucent windows. 70s Camaro Bumblebee is just a toy. These are just details people want to discuss. I myself don't see why so many people enjoy discussing what vehicles should be used in the sequel but I understand that people are interested and that to them such discussion isn't a waste of time.

The movie will be more fun if it fits into accepted scientific knowledge.

And more memorable too.

Tekka wrote:I'd say the number one reason is; he is an alien robot from outer space.

Yes that sums it up

For the same reason cars and trucks turned into robots,

ITS SCI-FI PRETEND!

Insurgent wrote:YES!!

Thanks for this, I missed it in theaters.

Awesome scene. But yeah, he's an alien robot with the same engines he used to arrive on Earth.

If you listen to the clip where he does the flypast enough, it sounds like he says something in his native tongue, ending with Bumblebee, before firing his main jets and leaving the atmosphere. Doesn't sound like SS transform sound, he uses a varient of the G1 sound. Which is not this. And unlike Blackout, Starscream kept using the same transformation sound.

yeah i heard thet too and thanx for posting this I've been looken for the clip

Auto Bot wrote:The movie will be more fun if it fits into accepted scientific knowledge.

And more memorable too.

Not really. It'll make no difference as it is all still science FICTION. Since they are aliens they can get away with anything, now if they start doing funky stuff with humans and giving the period world technology it shouldnt have then there will be a problem with the beliveability factor, but otherwise there wont be a problem, just like the first movie.

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:The movie will be more fun if it fits into accepted scientific knowledge.

And more memorable too.

Not really. It'll make no difference as it is all still science FICTION. Since they are aliens they can get away with anything, now if they start doing funky stuff with humans and giving the period world technology it shouldnt have then there will be a problem with the beliveability factor, but otherwise there wont be a problem, just like the first movie.

It's still a SCIENCE Fiction. It will be good to bring a lot of ideas close to scientific facts. But not necessarily 100%. Not necessarily pure facts. Just bring it closer. The closer, the more fun.