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I just watched it and I dont think he transformed into anything he just flew out

Well for one hes a super advanced robot containing living DNA that transforms and is from the far away planet of Cybertron. Is that reason enough for u.

I've finally gotten the movie for myself and I've watched that scene a couple times now and I don't see any transformation at all. I see him turning over which is probably just something they had him do for the sake of a "dramatic" exit. I'm certain that he says something but I'm also pretty positive he says it in the Cybertron language. Subtitles say nothing.

I'd agree that he's running, but I can't say if he's running to get help, or just running for his own safety. Knowing the character he's doing both and he'll be back. In the next Harry Potter movie!!!

Yup. He just flew out. I wonder why his nosecone heats up escaping from the atmostphere. Is he flying at a fantastic speed? If he can do that, why not use that ability during or before the battle?

I know objects heats up when entering the atmosphere from space. That's because its travelling at a fantastic speed, and there's no way to slow it down, except thru aero-friction.

But i've never seen any spacecraft heat up like that, just to escape into space.

Auto Bot wrote:Yup. He just flew out. I wonder why his nosecone heats up escaping from the atmostphere. Is he flying at a fantastic speed? If he can do that, why not use that ability during or before the battle?

I know objects heats up when entering the atmosphere from space. That's because its travelling at a fantastic speed, and there's no way to slow it down, except thru aero-friction.

But i've never seen any spacecraft heat up like that, just to escape into space.

Thats because human spacecraft are very primitive in comparison?

He could have been travelling at 100 thousand miles per hour for all we know, specially once he punched those after burners.

And yeah i was mistaken, i thought he transformed into something but he doesnt. He stays an F-22, i must have thought i saw something because of all the flames.

I agree with Tekka. Just becasue he looks like an F-22 doesn't make him one. If Prime's semi truck could fly... he'd fly through the atmosphere too

No really though... obviosuly all TF's have the ability to bust through the atmosphere. Just don't do it over the north pole or you'll end up frozen for a million years;-)

Could someone post the exact beginning time of the scene where Starscream blasts out of the atmosphere?

I've watched the movie a bajllion times and have paid especially close attention trying to find this scene at the end and I just... don't remember ever seeing it.

lkavadas wrote:Could someone post the exact beginning time of the scene where Starscream blasts out of the atmosphere?

I've watched the movie a bajllion times and have paid especially close attention trying to find this scene at the end and I just... don't remember ever seeing it.

You need to sit through the credits.

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Yup. He just flew out. I wonder why his nosecone heats up escaping from the atmostphere. Is he flying at a fantastic speed? If he can do that, why not use that ability during or before the battle?

I know objects heats up when entering the atmosphere from space. That's because its travelling at a fantastic speed, and there's no way to slow it down, except thru aero-friction.

But i've never seen any spacecraft heat up like that, just to escape into space.

Thats because human spacecraft are very primitive in comparison?

He could have been travelling at 100 thousand miles per hour for all we know, specially once he punched those after burners.

And yeah i was mistaken, i thought he transformed into something but he doesnt. He stays an F-22, i must have thought i saw something because of all the flames.

My point is, if he really got that ability to fly at mach-gazillion speed, he should have used it to the Decepticon's advantage.

He could literally fly to the Hoover Dam or intercept Bumblebee while the other Autobots were still far away, in a matter of a fraction of a second. And then claim the Allspark in no time. Either for himself, or for Megatron.

But obviously, he can't fly at that speed. At least not in earth mode F-22. Cybertronians adopts the ability of the machine they reformat themselves into. That's why the Autobots, plus all land-based Decepticon vehicles can't fly.

What Bay may be trying to portray, is that, he's breaking out of the atmosphere.

Mistakenly using the shuttle-entry scenario on that scene. Or he could be just ignorant of the physical fact that that can't happen.

I hope you don't try defend Bay on this one. He may be superman to some fans. But he's far from perfect.

He's good with effects and action. No doubt. Even i would salute him to that. (Except for the retarded super zoom-ins) But he seems a little short when it comes to science and science fiction.

lkavadas wrote:Could someone post the exact beginning time of the scene where Starscream blasts out of the atmosphere?

I've watched the movie a bajllion times and have paid especially close attention trying to find this scene at the end and I just... don't remember ever seeing it.

When the credits started rolling out, a while later, there's the interview scene of Sam's parents. Another short roll of credits. Then Starscream scene comes out. It's nearer that start of the credits, than the end part.

Auto Bot wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Yup. He just flew out. I wonder why his nosecone heats up escaping from the atmostphere. Is he flying at a fantastic speed? If he can do that, why not use that ability during or before the battle?

I know objects heats up when entering the atmosphere from space. That's because its travelling at a fantastic speed, and there's no way to slow it down, except thru aero-friction.

But i've never seen any spacecraft heat up like that, just to escape into space.

Thats because human spacecraft are very primitive in comparison?

He could have been travelling at 100 thousand miles per hour for all we know, specially once he punched those after burners.

And yeah i was mistaken, i thought he transformed into something but he doesnt. He stays an F-22, i must have thought i saw something because of all the flames.

My point is, if he really got that ability to fly at mach-gazillion speed, he should have used it to the Decepticon's advantage.

He could literally fly to the Hoover Dam or intercept Bumblebee while the other Autobots were still far away, in a matter of a fraction of a second. And then claim the Allspark in no time. Either for himself, or for Megatron.

But obviously, he can't fly at that speed. At least not in earth mode F-22. Cybertronians adopts the ability of the machine they reformat themselves into. That's why the Autobots, plus all land-based Decepticon vehicles can't fly.

What Bay may be trying to portray, is that, he's breaking out of the atmosphere.

Mistakenly using the shuttle-entry scenario on that scene. Or he could be just ignorant of the physical fact that that can't happen.

I hope you don't try defend Bay on this one. He may be superman to some fans. But he's far from perfect.

He's good with effects and action. No doubt. Even i would salute him to that. (Except for the retarded super zoom-ins) But he seems a little short when it comes to science and science fiction.

If he flew at mach gazillion, he would overshoot them by alot. Say, six hundred thousand miles. Then, if he did manage to break in time and transform, he would then be outnumbered. Every Autobot plus humans against just him. He may not have got enough characterisation in the movie, but I really don't think he was going to leave himself vulnerable like that.

Insurgent wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Yup. He just flew out. I wonder why his nosecone heats up escaping from the atmostphere. Is he flying at a fantastic speed? If he can do that, why not use that ability during or before the battle?

I know objects heats up when entering the atmosphere from space. That's because its travelling at a fantastic speed, and there's no way to slow it down, except thru aero-friction.

But i've never seen any spacecraft heat up like that, just to escape into space.

Thats because human spacecraft are very primitive in comparison?

He could have been travelling at 100 thousand miles per hour for all we know, specially once he punched those after burners.

And yeah i was mistaken, i thought he transformed into something but he doesnt. He stays an F-22, i must have thought i saw something because of all the flames.

My point is, if he really got that ability to fly at mach-gazillion speed, he should have used it to the Decepticon's advantage.

He could literally fly to the Hoover Dam or intercept Bumblebee while the other Autobots were still far away, in a matter of a fraction of a second. And then claim the Allspark in no time. Either for himself, or for Megatron.

But obviously, he can't fly at that speed. At least not in earth mode F-22. Cybertronians adopts the ability of the machine they reformat themselves into. That's why the Autobots, plus all land-based Decepticon vehicles can't fly.

What Bay may be trying to portray, is that, he's breaking out of the atmosphere.

Mistakenly using the shuttle-entry scenario on that scene. Or he could be just ignorant of the physical fact that that can't happen.

I hope you don't try defend Bay on this one. He may be superman to some fans. But he's far from perfect.

He's good with effects and action. No doubt. Even i would salute him to that. (Except for the retarded super zoom-ins) But he seems a little short when it comes to science and science fiction.

If he flew at mach gazillion, he would overshoot them by alot. Say, six hundred thousand miles. Then, if he did manage to break in time and transform, he would then be outnumbered. Every Autobot plus humans against just him. He may not have got enough characterisation in the movie, but I really don't think he was going to leave himself vulnerable like that.

Individuals capable of super speed, got highly accurate sense of timing. If he can overshoot that far, all he got to do is to fly 0.15 seconds, instead of 0.58 seconds. Simple.

Ask my buddy, Superman.

Auto Bot wrote:Individuals capable of super speed, got highly accurate sense of timing. If he can overshoot that far, all he got to do is to fly 0.15 seconds, instead of 0.58 seconds. Simple.

Ask my buddy, Superman.

Starscream is NO Superman... I'm not arguing he's not capable of the acurate timing required to stop just where he wants to, however he lacks the courage to go at it alone. Starscream might want the all spark for himself but he's not going to risk doing it alone when others could do the work and he get the reward.

Tekka wrote:I'd say the number one reason is; he is an alien robot from outer space.

pwned

There goes autobot with all his science facts again and completly forgetting the most important fact that Transformers is just a movie.

And i will defend Bay whenever it is needed against silly comments like i keep seeing.

People need to wake up and re-discover the line between MOVIE and REALITY. Society is worrying me even more these days when people cant even realize when something is just meant to look good or be fun to watch and not a discovery channel documentary.

does that question really need answered? seriously! "robots in disguise" The F-22 Raptor is a disguise.

Whether that's Starscream or Raptor F-22, it can't possibly burn up leaving the atmosphere.

It's just too ridiculous.

But i did enjoy parts of the movie. I just chose to skip all those inconsistencies while watching the movie.

Now, is it too bad to bring up these inconsistencies into discussion? We're here to talk about things, ideas, opinions, right?

So these are my opinions. Be it too scientific or too ridiculous.

Who knows, it may even help Bay make a better movie next time. That is, if he checks in here from time to time.

Auto Bot wrote:
Who knows, it may even help Bay make a better movie next time. That is, if he checks in here from time to time.

Which he doesnt as he doesnt need non-film director fans telling him how to make a movie. Maybe if other film directors gave him advice, but unless you are a director yourself you really have no say in the matter of telling him how to make a "better" movie.

It'll be like going in to have a heart operation, and you telling the surgeon how to do his job. (or rather, thinking you can do so) You just dont have any right to do so, since you have no experiance in the matter.

BTW, the SR-71 used to experiance heat friction when travelling at only Mach 3, its fuselage actually used to expand in size because of it. Now this is a primitive human aircraft, yet it still encountered heat resistance. Now imagine an alien space craft or jet, travelling at say....mach 30 (since human craft can travel at mach 10, the highest recorded speed for a non space craft, or 7000 miles per hour in earths atmosphere) imagine how much heat this would create? Even at the altitude Screamer was at there is still air and thus there would still be friction which caused the heat and flames. Its not that hard to imagine when a puny human aircraft travelling at only mach 3 starts to encounter air heat friction. Just imagine what a craft travelling at insane speeds like mach 30 would encounter?

See, i can be unnessecarily scientific and pedantic too. (i just dont make a habit out of it when talking about sources of entertainment based on robots that are base don toys)

Cormaster628 wrote:does that question really need answered? seriously! "robots in disguise" The F-22 Raptor is a disguise.

They are supposed to be robots in disguise, but look at Bumblebee, when he drove off from Sam's house, he turned his key and put himself in gear and then drove off, and in his engine bay there is an internal combustion engine with working parts. Tthat all shouldn't be nesc. if they are just disguising as earth vehicles ... it seems like they "become" those vehicles

syphonn wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:does that question really need answered? seriously! "robots in disguise" The F-22 Raptor is a disguise.

They are supposed to be robots in disguise, but look at Bumblebee, when he drove off from Sam's house, he turned his key and put himself in gear and then drove off, and in his engine bay there is an internal combustion engine with working parts. Tthat all shouldn't be nesc. if they are just disguising as earth vehicles ... it seems like they "become" those vehicles

Actually it would be nessesary since if they enocunter a situation where someone looks under the hood (like that so called "hot chick" did) their cover would be blown if all they found was an alien robot head under the hood. It wouldnt be much of a disguise if all you saw was an empty rolling car shell with no interior or engine. Youd be able to spot em from a mile away.

Duuuh

I know about the SR-71. Its body expands during supersonic flights.

But it still does not burn up in the aero friction.

It will probably take some 30 or 100 times faster, or even more, before there's any smoke.

Which is not achievable when accelerating inside Earth's gravity and atmosphere.

But it is achievable, if the subject first attain that super-speed in outer space, and then enter our atmosphere.

Auto Bot wrote:I know about the SR-71. Its body expands during supersonic flights.

But it still does not burn up in the aero friction.

It will probably take some 30 or 100 times faster, or even more, before there's any smoke.

Which is not achievable when accelerating inside Earth's gravity and atmosphere.

But it is achievable, if the subject first attain that super-speed in outer space, and then enter our atmosphere.

Why cant an advanced alien propulsion system achieve it? You are basing your arguments on human limitations. Advanced alien races aren't limited by such things. So how can you say that they are/would be? (that is...if they actually existed. My original statement that this is just a movie and so intricate scientific prodding isn't required and made completely moot by the very material we are talking about- still stands.)

Sonray wrote:

syphonn wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:does that question really need answered? seriously! "robots in disguise" The F-22 Raptor is a disguise.

They are supposed to be robots in disguise, but look at Bumblebee, when he drove off from Sam's house, he turned his key and put himself in gear and then drove off, and in his engine bay there is an internal combustion engine with working parts. Tthat all shouldn't be nesc. if they are just disguising as earth vehicles ... it seems like they "become" those vehicles

Actually it would be nessesary since if they enocunter a situation where someone looks under the hood (like that so called "hot chick" did) their cover would be blown if all they found was an alien robot head under the hood. It wouldnt be much of a disguise if all you saw was an empty rolling car shell with no interior or engine. Youd be able to spot em from a mile away.

Duuuh

Bumblebee created the situation for the "hot chick" to look under his hood. And when he drove off by himself he was alone and didnt have to 'fake' it. Using your logic what would happen if you take the car to the dealer for service or if the car had fallen into the hands of a gear head who likes to restore cars ... scraps it to the frame, then his alt mode would have to mimick whatever vehicle its disguised as down to the last detail, and Primus help us is he changes a few parts ... a quarter panel, an engine swap, a tire or a piece of glass those are all parts that break apart and come back together seamlessly. What would happen then when he transforms? No one should ever be that intimate with a transformer that they require that level of detail to remain hidden, if some one does get that close, then they should already know and at that point there wont be a need for that great a disguise.

syphonn wrote:

Sonray wrote:

syphonn wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:does that question really need answered? seriously! "robots in disguise" The F-22 Raptor is a disguise.

They are supposed to be robots in disguise, but look at Bumblebee, when he drove off from Sam's house, he turned his key and put himself in gear and then drove off, and in his engine bay there is an internal combustion engine with working parts. Tthat all shouldn't be nesc. if they are just disguising as earth vehicles ... it seems like they "become" those vehicles

Actually it would be nessesary since if they enocunter a situation where someone looks under the hood (like that so called "hot chick" did) their cover would be blown if all they found was an alien robot head under the hood. It wouldnt be much of a disguise if all you saw was an empty rolling car shell with no interior or engine. Youd be able to spot em from a mile away.

Duuuh

Bumblebee created the situation for the "hot chick" to look under his hood. And when he drove off by himself he was alone and didnt have to 'fake' it. Using your logic what would happen if you take the car to the dealer for service or if the car had fallen into the hands of a gear head who likes to restore cars ... scraps it to the frame, then his alt mode would have to mimick whatever vehicle its disguised as down to the last detail, and Primus help us is he changes a few parts ... a quarter panel, an engine swap, a tire or a piece of glass those are all parts that break apart and come back together seamlessly. What would happen then when he transforms? No one should ever be that intimate with a transformer that they require that level of detail to remain hidden, if some one does get that close, then they should already know and at that point there wont be a need for that great a disguise.

Jesus **** christ dude its just a freakin' movie already!

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I know about the SR-71. Its body expands during supersonic flights.

But it still does not burn up in the aero friction.

It will probably take some 30 or 100 times faster, or even more, before there's any smoke.

Which is not achievable when accelerating inside Earth's gravity and atmosphere.

But it is achievable, if the subject first attain that super-speed in outer space, and then enter our atmosphere.

Why cant an advanced alien propulsion system achieve it? You are basing your arguments on human limitations. Advanced alien races aren't limited by such things. So how can you say that they are/would be? (that is...if they actually existed. My original statement that this is just a movie and so intricate scientific prodding isn't required and made completely moot by the very material we are talking about- still stands.)

Uh... actually, i'm not basing it on human technology or limitations. That's totally out of the question.

I'm basing it on sound scientific principles. Math and Physics are universal. You can't change that just because your alien. And since the venue is on Earth, it's but natural they will have to follow physical laws of our system, or dimension.

If ever there exist a separate set of physical laws or transcendental mathematics on Cybertron (which is unlikely), then we'll have to put the characters on that planet to be able to observe those new kind of realities.

(This is the core logic why Autobot vehicles can't fly.)