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Counterpunch wrote:No no no...
Sentinel got hit like, 3 times and had his hat knocked off. He shot friends in the back.
Megatron just 10 seconds earlier betrayed his greatest partnership.
In a good dojo, students are taught that "Dead tigers are the ones that kill you." Meaning that it's the battles you assume you've won that are easily lost. Good for Prime to finish what had to be done.
Cheesinator wrote:After Megatron tosses Sentinel aside, there's a close up of him and he says "What we need is a truce. All that I ask is that I retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?".
Prime responds with "I'm about to find out!" and then kills him.
There's no blaring music playing either. Not sure how you missed those lines.
vegetacron wrote:Cheesinator wrote:After Megatron tosses Sentinel aside, there's a close up of him and he says "What we need is a truce. All that I ask is that I retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?".
Prime responds with "I'm about to find out!" and then kills him.
There's no blaring music playing either. Not sure how you missed those lines.
But thats, yet another issue ive had with all these movies. Its like the people doing the music said, "Dialogue!? Who needs DIALOGUE when we have all this badass momentic music!? DUN-DUN-DA-DUN-DUN-DUH DA DUH DA DUN DUN!..."
The only thing i heard Megatron say is "...retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?"
But thats not just with this movie, thats with all of them. I tend to think Hugo Weaving pissed off the sound editors at some point, so the sound editors literally drown out half of his voice acting just to be dickheads. rofl
Starscream GaGa wrote:God this forum is like clockwork...
"Blah, blah, blah, Bayformers isn't a children's cartoon it's for adults and MATURE. We have no sense of humor. Let's make a million long-winded threads about how haters are wrong."
This is the second one in one day.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Tekka wrote:Also, If I had to blame a character, I'd blame Megatron for not taking out Prime while he was down.
Cheesinator wrote:After Megatron tosses Sentinel aside, there's a close up of him and he says "What we need is a truce. All that I ask is that I retain my command...after all, what would you be without me?".
Prime responds with "I'm about to find out!" and then kills him.
Autobot Strider wrote:As for what it means to be an Autobot in the movie-verse... just look at in the first movie, when Ironhide wants to exterminate Mojo, and then Sam's parents for being annoying. Would that have ever come up in a G1 episode? I don't think so....
covenant_of_unicron wrote:Granted this was a "adult oriented" movie, but can you honestly say that this movie wasn't geared towards children? Take one look down the toy store aisle and tell me that it was made for adults.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
Chupacabra Convoy wrote:While Megatron did call for a truce at the end, I'm not sure how it would work exactly. I mean would Megatron still call for the human race to be slaves to fix Cybertron? Also, considering how vastly out numbered the Autobots are, wouldn't any truce be more like a formal surrender than actual truce? It goes against Prime's main goal which was to work with humanity to protect them from the Decepticons, which was the idea from the first movie.
Further more, if Prime had accepted, it doesn't mean that the rest of the planet would've followed suit. The relationship with the humans was all ready tenuous at best. If Optimus had accepted a truce with Megatron leading both forces, then the Autobots as a whole, would've been lumped in with the cons. At that point, if I was POTUS, my finger would've been the button (IE: Launching Nukes at Chicago[I would be more triggerhappy, than Triggerhappy]). So that's one reason for killing Megatron and Sentinel Prime.
The other? They started the war. A war which caused them to cripple Cybertron. In most cases, any Megatrons' post civil war plans always involve turing Cybertron into a mobile planetary fortress to be the heart of his intergalactic empire. I am going out on a limb and assume Movie Megatron's plans were the same. Also, Sentinel and Megatron share the view that all Transformers are gods compared to anything else. So even if a truce was made, I don't think either of them would've tolerated taking orders from humanity. Prime doesn't share that view at all. Even if Humanity hates his race, he still views it as a personal responsibility to protect them. Their (Megatron's and Prime's )ideologies are just too opposite from each other to be in a peacefully coexistence for anything longer than a short amount of time. Much like Magneto and Xavier.
On a personal level, Prime (I think) was too disgusted with them to even consider a truce. He just had to destroy his home world because of them, and their ambitions. There might've been a chance to someday work towards fixing Cybertron, but now thanks to them, not only are the Transformers nearly extinct, but any hope of restoring Cybertron looks to be over, finished. In Prime's mind, if Sentinel choose to reward the Autobots' faith in Sentinel, they might've been able to win the war with the space bridge tech, but he choose to betray them. Also Megatron's mad ambition had finally went too far. Everything Prime had ever believed in or cherished was destroyed by them. After millions of years of that, I would hate them more than anything for turning me into a warmonger by default and for damn near killing everyone I ever knew. He knows what happens when two Hitlers are allowed to live. Did they show remorse? Yes, but no amount remorse shown by them justifies their continued existence.
Also, after 27 years, it is great to see Prime end it.
Cheesinator wrote:Counterpunch wrote:No no no...
Sentinel got hit like, 3 times and had his hat knocked off. He shot friends in the back.
Megatron just 10 seconds earlier betrayed his greatest partnership.
In a good dojo, students are taught that "Dead tigers are the ones that kill you." Meaning that it's the battles you assume you've won that are easily lost. Good for Prime to finish what had to be done.
I'm not debating whether they deserved to die (they did). I'm saying that when Optimus them, they were no longer threats: Megatron was definitely not going to kill Optimus. He had the opportunity to let Optimus die, and he chose to save him. He then had the opportunity to kill an injured Optimus, and chose not to. Plus, his army was utterly defeated and the grand scheme had failed.
Similarly, Sentinel was beaten to the point he couldn't even get up. Optimus had time to have a ridiculous conversation with Megatron, kill him, get Megatron's gun and then exchange a few words with Sentinel...by which point Sentinel could still barely prop himself up with his arms. He was not a threat.
The point is, this was a movie; it's generally fine to kill the villains, but very rarely are they in a situation like Megatron or Sentinel. I can't think of another scenario where the bad guy saves the hero, offers a truce and is brutally killed anyway (by the 'hero' supposedly being a through-and-through good guy).
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.
I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.
SlyTF1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.
I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.
Bumblebee cried in ROTF. Optimus also gave a pause in ROTF when he was talking to Sam in the graveyard.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.
I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.
Bumblebee cried in ROTF. Optimus also gave a pause in ROTF when he was talking to Sam in the graveyard.
Not counting all the times we've seen them piss, spit, fart...
SlyTF1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.
I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.
Bumblebee cried in ROTF.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Another thing that bugs me: G1 Optimus, as fond as he was of Earth and humans, was still loyal to Cybertron and the future of the Transformers, above all else. Bayverse Optimus didn't give a moment's pause or shed a single tear at Cybertron's annihilation.
I don't think Transformers can cry. The way I see it is Optimus accepted that Cybertron is gone centuries ago. He would like to see it restored, but not if it's going to cost another race.
Bumblebee cried in ROTF.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. Although I think he was just playing it up.
Tekka wrote:What I don't agree with is the apparent five second anti-climactic death he was given, instead of having a Megatron VS Prime epic battle that such a beloved character deserved to go out in. In my opinion.
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