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Stormtroopers, Ewoks, and why what happened isn't stupid (SPOILERS OF DOOM)

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Stormtroopers, Ewoks, and why what happened isn't stupid (SPOILERS OF DOOM)

Postby Night Raid » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:47 pm

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The vast majority of people I have come across disliked how Megatron met his end: by the hand of Sam Witwicky. I, however, thought it quite good. It was well done and everything.

First of all, Sam demonstrated great inventiveness and quick thinking in the face of immediate danger. I mean, he's got a VERY pissed off Megatron staring him in the face, Optimus Prime is down for the proverbial count and telling him to put the Allspark in his spark chamber (is that what it's called?) to destroy them both, and Death is mere moments away. Despite all this, he has the presence of mind to wonder "If Optimus Prime is correct and sticking this thingy in his spark chamber will cause the destruction of both it and him, what effect will it have on Megatron?" In a situation that would have most anybody ducking for cover and screaming incoherently, he's calm enough to think outside the box and come up with a solution that hadn't so much as crossed anybody else's mind. That's courage right there. Not only did he come up with the idea, he used it! He stood his ground and stuck it to Megatron. Courage? That's darn heroic!

Secondly, it shows us that sometimes low-tech is the way to go. I mean, if your enemy's preoccupied with defending himself against lasers and crud, bashing him with a rock just might work. It's like in Star Wars. In Return of the Jedi, Ewoks (remember them?) were beating the absolute slag out of Stormtroopers with sticks and rocks and ropes and things. This is the equivalent of that. Megatron was so busy defending himself from high-tech attacks from warplanes and other robots that he completely forgot about the simpler, low-tech approach to things and left himself wide open to Sam Witwicky just plain shoving the Allspark into his chest. Nothing fancy, no machines or firepower or anything, just plain old-fashioned 'take this and put it here'. I think I can make, like, a proverb out of this. "If you spend all your time watching out for the big things, it'll be the little things that kill you."

Third, the warning against arrogance and overconfidence is just SOOO obvious here. The 'David and Goliath' thing can be a valuable lesson to the lot of us. I'll bet Megatron never woulda underestimated the squishies after THAT one. Just because your enemy LOOKS weak doesn't necessarily mean that he IS weak. Making that assumption often comes back to bite you in the aft, like it did with Megatron. Pride goeth before a fall, and arrogance goeth before a kick in the ball bearings.

But all in all, seeing Megatron felled by an underdog's act of fearless heroism because of his arrogance just seems to fit.
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Postby decepticonjon » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:03 pm

so how did sam even know where to "aim" the cube and further more how did he know megatron's spark was even there? sam never knew about optimus' spark until seconds before the entire thing ends when he's telling him to shove the cube into his own chest. and actually it's a little dumbfounding. if you were sam and had been chased from one side of the city to another by an evil gigantic mofo, and a huge robot you have been trusting your whole time asks for the spark, but yet you decide you know how to fix the entire situation and you finish off megatron by holding up the spark against him while he lunges at you?
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Postby Grendel » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:28 pm

besides, it's Megatron's fault for not being more armored, he was walking around with half his parts hanging out
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Postby Omega_Supreme » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:35 pm

If it were me I would be thinking that i couldn't kill someone that I liked or that I considered a friend. Sounds stupid but i would rather risk the chance of making Megs stronger than killing OP. You know? :???:
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Postby G1 Blaster » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:18 pm

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As far as Sam knowing where to put it, I think it was more of him seeing a hole in his chest and shoving. Luck played a part in that.

There is also far too many sexual jokes that could be made with what I just said.
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Postby decepticonjon » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:18 pm

G1Blaster wrote:As far as Sam knowing where to put it, I think it was more of him seeing a hole in his chest and shoving. Luck played a part in that.

There is also far too many sexual jokes that could be made with what I just said.

luck plays a part in all sexual jokes
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Postby lkavadas » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:47 pm

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Any Star Wars fanboi will tell you that ewoks were the lamest part of the entire OT. Yes, the finest legions of the Empire defeated by muppets with slings.

The ending of ROTJ is why basically anyone who likes Star Wars likes ESB the most. It's simply the most realistic movie of the entirely unrealistic affair. Ewoks broke the suspension of disbelief.
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Postby Night Raid » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:45 pm

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Poetic justice, man. Poetic justice. Overlooking the little guy can really bite you in the aft, you know?
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Re: Stormtroopers, Ewoks, and why what happened isn't stupid (SPOILERS OF DOOM)

Postby Maximal Primal » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:41 pm

Night Raid wrote:
Secondly, it shows us that sometimes low-tech is the way to go. I mean, if your enemy's preoccupied with defending himself against lasers and crud, bashing him with a rock just might work. It's like in Star Wars. In Return of the Jedi, Ewoks (remember them?) were beating the absolute slag out of Stormtroopers with sticks and rocks and ropes and things. This is the equivalent of that.


You know, I think that this analogy probably would have been better suited by using Dinobot of Beast Wars and his rock hammer weapon used against Megatron in the episode "Code of Hero".

Night Raid wrote:But all in all, seeing Megatron felled by an underdog's act of fearless heroism because of his arrogance just seems to fit.


It does at that! It brings the Human aspect into play.
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