Burn wrote:So if I'm understanding this correctly ... for years people complained about G1 Ironhide (and by extension Ratchet) looked NOTHING like his cartoon self. Even after the reissue gave Ironhide and Ratchet cardboard heads that still wasn't enough, because again, didn't look like his cartoon self and because the "sled" was just pointless.
Now we have a reasonably cartoon accurate Ironhide and people are bitching about it not having a "sled"? **** me there's just no pleasing some of you people.
primalxconvoy wrote:Burn wrote:So if I'm understanding this correctly ... for years people complained about G1 Ironhide (and by extension Ratchet) looked NOTHING like his cartoon self. Even after the reissue gave Ironhide and Ratchet cardboard heads that still wasn't enough, because again, didn't look like his cartoon self and because the "sled" was just pointless.
Now we have a reasonably cartoon accurate Ironhide and people are bitching about it not having a "sled"? **** me there's just no pleasing some of you people.
No, people complained that most, if not every mass-produced CHUG Ironhide has been poorly made, regardless of whether it was toon/toy accurate.
primalxconvoy wrote:Burn wrote:So if I'm understanding this correctly ... for years people complained about G1 Ironhide (and by extension Ratchet) looked NOTHING like his cartoon self. Even after the reissue gave Ironhide and Ratchet cardboard heads that still wasn't enough, because again, didn't look like his cartoon self and because the "sled" was just pointless.
Now we have a reasonably cartoon accurate Ironhide and people are bitching about it not having a "sled"? **** me there's just no pleasing some of you people.
No, people complained that most, if not every mass-produced CHUG Ironhide has been poorly made, regardless of whether it was toon/toy accurate.
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:The T-30 MOLD is actually fine. The color scheme is the problem. I got over TR Kup's color scheme, but t-30 Arcee is just inappropriate. Then legends sells for $70+
primalxconvoy wrote:Partsforming isn't a problem. I believe those that would have a problem with it (regarding this specific character) would firmly bed in the minority, as G1 fans understand the context.
Burn wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Burn wrote:So if I'm understanding this correctly ... for years people complained about G1 Ironhide (and by extension Ratchet) looked NOTHING like his cartoon self. Even after the reissue gave Ironhide and Ratchet cardboard heads that still wasn't enough, because again, didn't look like his cartoon self and because the "sled" was just pointless.
Now we have a reasonably cartoon accurate Ironhide and people are bitching about it not having a "sled"? **** me there's just no pleasing some of you people.
No, people complained that most, if not every mass-produced CHUG Ironhide has been poorly made, regardless of whether it was toon/toy accurate.
Funny, from what I saw everyone was clamouring for Earthrise Ironhide/Ratchet, especially as an Australian based collector and how hard they were to acquire if you could afford them.
But then, what would I know...
Emerje wrote:RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:The T-30 MOLD is actually fine. The color scheme is the problem. I got over TR Kup's color scheme, but t-30 Arcee is just inappropriate. Then legends sells for $70+
But she's the same colors as Bee Movie Arcee who's also the completely wrong design in every way.primalxconvoy wrote:Partsforming isn't a problem. I believe those that would have a problem with it (regarding this specific character) would firmly bed in the minority, as G1 fans understand the context.
Understanding the context doesn't mean the context is a good idea! As far as I'm concerned there's nothing more offensive in a modern Transformer than unnecessary parts forming (not part of the play pattern like Weaponizers or forming armor like Ultra Magnus who is still a complete figure or vehicle without the trailer). On my Earthrise figures they stay on their backs, I don't need them to be anything other than backpacks, the ones that came with the MPs are still in the boxes. I'd rather see that extra plastic go to giving me a better figure, though SS86 Ironhide completely failed us there so I don't know if Hasbro has any real answer to making the perfect Ironhide. Maybe Leader Class?
Emerje
primalxconvoy wrote:They were the only show in town, but that doesn't mean people were enamored with them. There was a significant amount of criticism of the feet, for example.
Burn wrote:there's just no pleasing some of you people.
primalxconvoy wrote:If partsforming was not indicate of the original figure, then I would agree. With Ironhide, I cannot accept your position. I believe such an addition would be a welcomed addition to the figure.
Cyber Bishop wrote:Burn wrote:there's just no pleasing some of you people.
That's all you need to have said as I say this all the time..
Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:If partsforming was not indicate of the original figure, then I would agree. With Ironhide, I cannot accept your position. I believe such an addition would be a welcomed addition to the figure.
But the original figure wasn't a complete figure itself, nor was it ever intended to be. It had a window for a torso because it was just a bipedal vehicle rather than a full robot like the others, it didn't even have a head. I really don't know why anyone would want to homage anything about a figure that was just a novelty of its time and required a massive design overhaul just to be palatable as a character.
Emerje
Emerje wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:If partsforming was not indicate of the original figure, then I would agree. With Ironhide, I cannot accept your position. I believe such an addition would be a welcomed addition to the figure.
But the original figure wasn't a complete figure itself, nor was it ever intended to be. It had a window for a torso because it was just a bipedal vehicle rather than a full robot like the others, it didn't even have a head. I really don't know why anyone would want to homage anything about a figure that was just a novelty of its time and required a massive design overhaul just to be palatable as a character.
Emerje
Except the cartoon design isn't just a "novelty of its time" since it's become Ironhide's most iconic and most definitive character design, with all of G1 Ironhide's later appearances based directly on it is some fashion. It usurped the toy's design in iconography a long time ago.primalxconvoy wrote:We could equally say that we "don't know why anyone would want to homage the G1 cartoon look that was just the novelty of its time and requires a massive design overall just to adhere to a certain aesthetic".
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Except the cartoon design isn't just a "novelty of its time" since it's become Ironhide's most iconic and most definitive character design, with all of G1 Ironhide's later appearances based directly on it is some fashion. It usurped the toy's design in iconography a long time ago.primalxconvoy wrote:We could equally say that we "don't know why anyone would want to homage the G1 cartoon look that was just the novelty of its time and requires a massive design overall just to adhere to a certain aesthetic".
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Guys, quit with the shed. If you really need one, buy earthrise or an upgrade kit
primalxconvoy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Except the cartoon design isn't just a "novelty of its time" since it's become Ironhide's most iconic and most definitive character design, with all of G1 Ironhide's later appearances based directly on it is some fashion. It usurped the toy's design in iconography a long time ago.primalxconvoy wrote:We could equally say that we "don't know why anyone would want to homage the G1 cartoon look that was just the novelty of its time and requires a massive design overall just to adhere to a certain aesthetic".
Except it has. The previous MP lines took inspiration from a variety of sources, until Takara made the error of going "full anime". That's one of the reasons why many collectors moved away from official MPs to 3P versions and why criticism has been successfully given by the community regarding the toon-only aesthetic.
My points stand.RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Guys, quit with the shed. If you really need one, buy earthrise or an upgrade kit
Not everyone has access to upgrade kits. You might want to think before postilating such a "let them eat cake" response in the future.
RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote: Something, something, I have an additude and you should just do what I want you to.
SpaceEagle wrote:I wonder if Diaclone Reboot might be where Takara will give us a more toy-accurate "Ironhide", I think that would be fun.
It'll probably not use the OG Onebox aesthetic at all but I guess they might use TF MP for a 'toon 'Hide and DR for a toy 'Hide.
And/or Ratch'
primalxconvoy wrote:Because it was positive part of the figure's design. It's not rocket science. We could equally say that we "don't know why anyone would want to homage the G1 cartoon look that was just the novelty of its time and requires a massive design overall just to adhere to a certain aesthetic".
Emerje wrote:One was never intended to be a complete robot and is rarely used in media, the other is an iconic design that's often repeated in media and figures, hardly a novelty.
The only homage I could go for to the original toy is War Within Ironhide.
Emerje
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:One was never intended to be a complete robot and is rarely used in media, the other is an iconic design that's often repeated in media and figures, hardly a novelty.
The only homage I could go for to the original toy is War Within Ironhide.
Emerje
Incorrect. The majority of depictions have gone for a design that takes inspiration from various toy, comic and other areas. It has rarely, if any, been 100% toon-accurate.
My point stands.
primalxconvoy wrote:Emerje wrote:One was never intended to be a complete robot and is rarely used in media, the other is an iconic design that's often repeated in media and figures, hardly a novelty.
The only homage I could go for to the original toy is War Within Ironhide.
Emerje
Incorrect. The majority of depictions have gone for a design that takes inspiration from various toy, comic and other areas. It has rarely, if any, been 100% toon-accurate.
My point stands.
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