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RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I like alt modes to be consistant with each other in my collection. For instance cars should all be about deluxes (no problem there). Ideally planes would all be voyager to match up with the Seekers. But there's just no winning with space shuttles. Plus I don't want G1 AT to tower over Blitz.

The millimetres of difference on Ironhide ... I just don't see the big deal. Them not doing it right the first time is my big problem with him. We're well into the age where voyagers are by parts count and paint. Just have to trust them that Ironhide meets that criteria.

I think Blitzwing SHOULD be shorter than Astrotrain

Yeah, you mentioned that you'd prefer the train mode to dictate his scale. I guess I'm brainwashed by the cartoon to see him as Starscream sized in bot mode and I don't have a good idea how tall a train is compared to a car. Going by alt mode size (and going off a bit more), which Starscream works best? The old leader class one? But is that one too small ... so MP?

And then you have the tank problem. I guess CW Leader Megs would be the way to go, but what about Warpath? Is there a 3P MP that's about as tall as that Megs? Don't even get started on Brawl. No Bruticus for alt mode enthusiasts.

Scale's a losing battle, but if I can get car bots that work decently in alt mode then I'm counting it as a win. I'm not rebuying everyone either. This Ironhide seems to work decently in both bot and car modes, so win. If he's a smidge too short, then I guess that's just how it is. I didn't rebuy Sunstreaker or Sideswipe and I prefer United Jazz over 86 so if Ironhide is just 'about' right I'll take it.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I like alt modes to be consistant with each other in my collection. For instance cars should all be about deluxes (no problem there). Ideally planes would all be voyager to match up with the Seekers. But there's just no winning with space shuttles. Plus I don't want G1 AT to tower over Blitz.

The millimetres of difference on Ironhide ... I just don't see the big deal. Them not doing it right the first time is my big problem with him. We're well into the age where voyagers are by parts count and paint. Just have to trust them that Ironhide meets that criteria.

I think Blitzwing SHOULD be shorter than Astrotrain

Yeah, you mentioned that you'd prefer the train mode to dictate his scale. I guess I'm brainwashed by the cartoon to see him as Starscream sized in bot mode and I don't have a good idea how tall a train is compared to a car. Going by alt mode size (and going off a bit more), which Starscream works best? The old leader class one? But is that one too small ... so MP?

And then you have the tank problem. I guess CW Leader Megs would be the way to go, but what about Warpath? Is there a 3P MP that's about as tall as that Megs? Don't even get started on Brawl. No Bruticus for alt mode enthusiasts.

Scale's a losing battle, but if I can get car bots that work decently in alt mode then I'm counting it as a win. I'm not rebuying everyone either. This Ironhide seems to work decently in both bot and car modes, so win. If he's a smidge too short, then I guess that's just how it is. I didn't rebuy Sunstreaker or Sideswipe and I prefer United Jazz over 86 so if Ironhide is just 'about' right I'll take it.

Scale I like to simplify things

Megatron is a small tank
The 4 arielbots and blastoff are very small mini jets.
Astrotrain is a giant
Swindle is a large jeep
Brawl and warpath are very very very small tank
Vortex just gives up, no explanation
Soundwave either size changes, is a very large cassette player, or a minicon

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I like alt modes to be consistant with each other in my collection. For instance cars should all be about deluxes (no problem there). Ideally planes would all be voyager to match up with the Seekers. But there's just no winning with space shuttles. Plus I don't want G1 AT to tower over Blitz.

The millimetres of difference on Ironhide ... I just don't see the big deal. Them not doing it right the first time is my big problem with him. We're well into the age where voyagers are by parts count and paint. Just have to trust them that Ironhide meets that criteria.

I think Blitzwing SHOULD be shorter than Astrotrain

Yeah, you mentioned that you'd prefer the train mode to dictate his scale. I guess I'm brainwashed by the cartoon to see him as Starscream sized in bot mode and I don't have a good idea how tall a train is compared to a car. Going by alt mode size (and going off a bit more), which Starscream works best? The old leader class one? But is that one too small ... so MP?

And then you have the tank problem. I guess CW Leader Megs would be the way to go, but what about Warpath? Is there a 3P MP that's about as tall as that Megs? Don't even get started on Brawl. No Bruticus for alt mode enthusiasts.

Scale's a losing battle, but if I can get car bots that work decently in alt mode then I'm counting it as a win. I'm not rebuying everyone either. This Ironhide seems to work decently in both bot and car modes, so win. If he's a smidge too short, then I guess that's just how it is. I didn't rebuy Sunstreaker or Sideswipe and I prefer United Jazz over 86 so if Ironhide is just 'about' right I'll take it.

Scale I like to simplify things

Megatron is a small tank
The 4 arielbots and blastoff are very small mini jets.
Astrotrain is a giant
Swindle is a large jeep
Brawl and warpath are very very very small tank
Vortex just gives up, no explanation
Soundwave either size changes, is a very large cassette player, or a minicon

Regarding Soundwave, I find the Non-G1 continuities came up with the best alt modes for him, especially Prime and Live Action.

ZeroWolf wrote:Regarding Soundwave, I find the Non-G1 continuities came up with the best alt modes for him, especially Prime and Live Action.

For the perfect altmode in regard to the spy logic of Soundwave, Prime and ROTF are indeed perfect. But the DOTM car was random and was just a sponsor targeted at very rich people.

For the "classic G1" look, if a tank is perfect for Megatron, the minivan is perfect for Soundwave. Big, boxy, and fit the spy motif very well.

Emerje wrote:What's your point? The shield is an integral part of the figure, you can't complete the alt mode without it and it's part of the figure's mold. Therefore the shield is included as part of the figure's part count not as an accessory that Hasbro could leave out if they chose to.

I'm pretty much in agreement. When you mentioned many more panels, I thought I must have been mis-remembering something about the ER version which I hadn't messed with in a while. So I counted and it was only 4. So my point, if there was much of one, was just pointing out "many" was only 4. Of course, I also now realize that the use of many will be a bit subjective, so I guess there really wasn't much of a point after all.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Regarding Soundwave, I find the Non-G1 continuities came up with the best alt modes for him, especially Prime and Live Action.

For the perfect altmode in regard to the spy logic of Soundwave, Prime and ROTF are indeed perfect. But the DOTM car was random and was just a sponsor targeted at very rich people.

For the "classic G1" look, if a tank is perfect for Megatron, the minivan is perfect for Soundwave. Big, boxy, and fit the spy motif very well.

To keep the body design and good sense, Cyberverse has the best update. A communications truck, and the robot mode could easily be more g1nified without ruining the alt mode.a sattalie makes sense too, but the design was executed poorly, leaving soundwave looking like a freak.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Regarding Soundwave, I find the Non-G1 continuities came up with the best alt modes for him, especially Prime and Live Action.

For the perfect altmode in regard to the spy logic of Soundwave, Prime and ROTF are indeed perfect. But the DOTM car was random and was just a sponsor targeted at very rich people.

For the "classic G1" look, if a tank is perfect for Megatron, the minivan is perfect for Soundwave. Big, boxy, and fit the spy motif very well.

To keep the body design and good sense, Cyberverse has the best update. A communications truck, and the robot mode could easily be more g1nified without ruining the alt mode.a sattalie makes sense too, but the design was executed poorly, leaving soundwave looking like a freak.

I liked that the robot wasn't g1ified, not everything needs to look like that, Transformers is at its best when it innovates and tries new things (like the 07 movie).

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Regarding Soundwave, I find the Non-G1 continuities came up with the best alt modes for him, especially Prime and Live Action.

For the perfect altmode in regard to the spy logic of Soundwave, Prime and ROTF are indeed perfect. But the DOTM car was random and was just a sponsor targeted at very rich people.

For the "classic G1" look, if a tank is perfect for Megatron, the minivan is perfect for Soundwave. Big, boxy, and fit the spy motif very well.

To keep the body design and good sense, Cyberverse has the best update. A communications truck, and the robot mode could easily be more g1nified without ruining the alt mode.a sattalie makes sense too, but the design was executed poorly, leaving soundwave looking like a freak.

I liked that the robot wasn't g1ified, not everything needs to look like that, Transformers is at its best when it innovates and tries new things (like the 07 movie).

Ahh, so maybe something like Animated Soundwave, where he transformed into what, basically a Scion?
And as far as movie versions go, at least in regards to toys, I really enjoyed the Studio Series car Soundwave

I transformed SS86 Arcee without instructions and only dealing with the legs got me stumped for a while.

Anyway, the bot is the best she can ever be for that G1 look. Her backpack is more compact than the ER/K version. The consequence is that the vehicle suffer just a wee bit with some gaps on top. Plus those side panes are troublesome.

Still overall, she's pretty great.

I will agree that Soundwave as an SUV seems to work better for a modern alt mode update. Animated, RiD2015, and Cyberverse all translated it well. Heck, even the original SG Soundwave had the right idea in it's head.

But I also appreciate the Prime spy plane and RotF satellite. both made sense. and I liked the Prime and movie deviations from the standard design, both ended up looking very good

After looking carefully at the pictures of the original toy, I decided that Sweep is definitely the "G1 toy accurate Scourge" and he will go with my Select Galvatron and Cyclonus. For now, the Reprolabels are out of stock. At least I had a spare Siege Firedive to make a quick Fracas custom. I do have the Siege Skywarp pack but their Fracas is all wrong. Even though it's double barrelled, it's perfect enough. I left the helmet black so that it looks better.









To bad the targetmaster as a gun can't plug in the spaceboat mode.

So, do you guys think this custom Fracas and SS86 Sweep will work alongside Select Galvatron and Select Cyclonus?

EDIT:

GAH! Thanks to the pictures, I finally noticed that on his head.
Might as well fix the whole head and some small details.

NOW it's perfect.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I will agree that Soundwave as an SUV seems to work better for a modern alt mode update. Animated, RiD2015, and Cyberverse all translated it well. Heck, even the original SG Soundwave had the right idea in it's head.

But I also appreciate the Prime spy plane and RotF satellite. both made sense. and I liked the Prime and movie deviations from the standard design, both ended up looking very good

I still disagree about the prime drone. I dont want ALL my decepticons to fly, that makes the seekers boring.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I will agree that Soundwave as an SUV seems to work better for a modern alt mode update. Animated, RiD2015, and Cyberverse all translated it well. Heck, even the original SG Soundwave had the right idea in it's head.

But I also appreciate the Prime spy plane and RotF satellite. both made sense. and I liked the Prime and movie deviations from the standard design, both ended up looking very good

I still disagree about the prime drone. I dont want ALL my decepticons to fly, that makes the seekers boring.

In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I will agree that Soundwave as an SUV seems to work better for a modern alt mode update. Animated, RiD2015, and Cyberverse all translated it well. Heck, even the original SG Soundwave had the right idea in it's head.

But I also appreciate the Prime spy plane and RotF satellite. both made sense. and I liked the Prime and movie deviations from the standard design, both ended up looking very good

I still disagree about the prime drone. I dont want ALL my decepticons to fly, that makes the seekers boring.

In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesnt

Up for review -

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesn't

That reminds me of when I first watched Beast Wars. Finding it really jarring that all the Predacons couldn't fly. It wasn't for quite some time before I discovered Sunbow was the only medium that gave all the Decepticons that blanket advantage.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesn't

That reminds me of when I first watched Beast Wars. Finding it really jarring that all the Predacons couldn't fly. It wasn't for quite some time before I discovered Sunbow was the only medium that gave all the Decepticons that blanket advantage.

Yeah, and all of them having that natural ability to fly ultimately became what distinguished the Decepticons from the Autobots in the cartoon. In "War Dawn", Orion Pax, Dion, and Ariel were all fascinated by "some new kind of robot that can fly," which were revealed to be the Decepticons.

Ultimately I came to appreciate the Beast Wars "flier" class. I also like how Animated flipped the Sunbow script. Giving the Autobots a derogatory view of flight modes.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesn't

That reminds me of when I first watched Beast Wars. Finding it really jarring that all the Predacons couldn't fly. It wasn't for quite some time before I discovered Sunbow was the only medium that gave all the Decepticons that blanket advantage.

Yeah, and all of them having that natural ability to fly ultimately became what distinguished the Decepticons from the Autobots in the cartoon. In "War Dawn", Orion Pax, Dion, and Ariel were all fascinated by "some new kind of robot that can fly," which were revealed to be the Decepticons.

Ultimately I came to appreciate the Beast Wars "flier" class. I also like how Animated flipped the Sunbow script. Giving the Autobots a derogatory view of flight modes.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesn't

That reminds me of when I first watched Beast Wars. Finding it really jarring that all the Predacons couldn't fly. It wasn't for quite some time before I discovered Sunbow was the only medium that gave all the Decepticons that blanket advantage.

Yeah, and all of them having that natural ability to fly ultimately became what distinguished the Decepticons from the Autobots in the cartoon. In "War Dawn", Orion Pax, Dion, and Ariel were all fascinated by "some new kind of robot that can fly," which were revealed to be the Decepticons.

Ultimately I came to appreciate the Beast Wars "flier" class. I also like how Animated flipped the Sunbow script. Giving the Autobots a derogatory view of flight modes.

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Animated Sentinel Prime doesn't care about your feelings

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesn't

That reminds me of when I first watched Beast Wars. Finding it really jarring that all the Predacons couldn't fly. It wasn't for quite some time before I discovered Sunbow was the only medium that gave all the Decepticons that blanket advantage.

Yeah, and all of them having that natural ability to fly ultimately became what distinguished the Decepticons from the Autobots in the cartoon. In "War Dawn", Orion Pax, Dion, and Ariel were all fascinated by "some new kind of robot that can fly," which were revealed to be the Decepticons.

Ultimately I came to appreciate the Beast Wars "flier" class. I also like how Animated flipped the Sunbow script. Giving the Autobots a derogatory view of flight modes.

download.jpeg

Animated Sentinel Prime doesn't care about your feelings

I don't remember any Sentinel Prime caring about your feelings.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesn't

That reminds me of when I first watched Beast Wars. Finding it really jarring that all the Predacons couldn't fly. It wasn't for quite some time before I discovered Sunbow was the only medium that gave all the Decepticons that blanket advantage.

Yeah, and all of them having that natural ability to fly ultimately became what distinguished the Decepticons from the Autobots in the cartoon. In "War Dawn", Orion Pax, Dion, and Ariel were all fascinated by "some new kind of robot that can fly," which were revealed to be the Decepticons.

Ultimately I came to appreciate the Beast Wars "flier" class. I also like how Animated flipped the Sunbow script. Giving the Autobots a derogatory view of flight modes.

download.jpeg

Animated Sentinel Prime doesn't care about your feelings

I don't remember any Sentinel Prime caring about your feelings.

Since when did Sentinel Prime care about ANYONE?

That scene where he shakes the humans hand and immediately spray cleans it though......
I do not want to imagine warpaths radar alternate mode.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:In the G1 cartoon, all Decepticons could fly anyway.

I pretend that didn't happen. The seekers have jet boosters under their legs, but megs doesn't

That reminds me of when I first watched Beast Wars. Finding it really jarring that all the Predacons couldn't fly. It wasn't for quite some time before I discovered Sunbow was the only medium that gave all the Decepticons that blanket advantage.

Yeah, and all of them having that natural ability to fly ultimately became what distinguished the Decepticons from the Autobots in the cartoon. In "War Dawn", Orion Pax, Dion, and Ariel were all fascinated by "some new kind of robot that can fly," which were revealed to be the Decepticons.

Ultimately I came to appreciate the Beast Wars "flier" class. I also like how Animated flipped the Sunbow script. Giving the Autobots a derogatory view of flight modes.

download.jpeg

Animated Sentinel Prime doesn't care about your feelings

I don't remember any Sentinel Prime caring about your feelings.

Since when did Sentinel Prime care about ANYONE?

That scene where he shakes the humans hand and immediately spray cleans it though......
I do not want to imagine warpaths radar alternate mode.

I do.

But we are getting off topic. Getting us back there, I am thinking about selling off Junkyard now too. He was fun to handle, but I'm just not sure I am having the fun with him that I should be

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I am thinking about selling off Junkyard now too. He was fun to handle, but I'm just not sure I am having the fun with him that I should be

But you've got so many more to look forward to!? #completetheset

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I do.

But we are getting off topic. Getting us back there, I am thinking about selling off Junkyard now too. He was fun to handle, but I'm just not sure I am having the fun with him that I should be

There's definitely at least one more Junkion coming...