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News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:00 am

Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:07 am

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:42 am

Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje

Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:08 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje

Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.

OK, there went that theory.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:25 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje

Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.

OK, there went that theory.

If it was related to HasLab Star Saber, this set has been in production from TakaraTomy since October 2019, when Hasbro had only just finished crowdfunding Unicron a month earlier.

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:25 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje

Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.

OK, there went that theory.
If it was related to HasLab Star Saber, this set has been in production from TakaraTomy since October 2019, when Hasbro had only just finished crowdfunding Unicron a month earlier.

Doesn't mean anything. I just could've seen this as the next Haslab. Guess Star Saber it is, hopefully, it's really Victory Saber.

by **Sherlock Zero** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:34 pm

I'm leaning towards Galaxy Shuttle since everybody is already assuming it has to be Star Saber. :POPCORN:

I mean in all cases he did appear in Victory. Plus Hasbro could easily use the 1987 G.I. Joe Defiant Shuttle Complex as a reference piece when drawing up ideas. Along with them using TakaraTomy's Robot Masters line for any references if they do decide to include a Core class Star Saber, etc.

And yes, I am that level of bored when it comes to waiting for anything official for both projects. >:oP

News Credits: 2 · by **First-Aid** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:35 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje

Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.

OK, there went that theory.
If it was related to HasLab Star Saber, this set has been in production from TakaraTomy since October 2019, when Hasbro had only just finished crowdfunding Unicron a month earlier.

Doesn't mean anything. I just could've seen this as the next Haslab. Guess Star Saber it is, hopefully, it's really Victory Saber.

I'm not sure it would have gotten enough support. The train bots are less known to casual fans. Hell I didin't know about them until about 15 years into this hobby. It would be a die-hard piece, I think. Just not sure enough people would shell out for it.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:59 pm

Whatever the next Haslab turns out to be, we know it will be based on TF:Victory, and will be revealed this Friday August 27. If it is one character, that is fine, but perhaps it would be a series of characters? I could see a CC Star Saber, a CC Victory Leo, a CC Deszarus, and perhaps Dinoking for a combined total of around $400. Just as an example

by **Sherlock Zero** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:26 pm

o.supreme wrote:Whatever the next Haslab turns out to be, we know it will be based on TF:Victory, and will be revealed this Friday August 27. If it is one character, that is fine, but perhaps it would be a series of characters? I could see a CC Star Saber, a CC Victory Leo, a CC Deszarus, and perhaps Dinoking for a combined total of around $400. Just as an example

Thanks for the heads up. And to be honest, it sounds more interesting that what is scheduled for 'Day 1' at Renegade Con. (I am interested in that con's day 2 segments, but plan to only watch two of them.)

As for any 'Core Class' add-ons, they offered free figures when it came to their Star Wars: The Vintage Collection stuff. In this case, I cannot rule out any of the characters you have mentioned. Especially if the big reveal turns out to be Galaxy Shuttle! In the end, Star Saber would have to be a free figure if they do that type of project. It would help them to have Victory Leo be a early unlock, a special carded variant of of Deszarus be a later (or end game) unlock. With Dino Force being a potential if they think there are enough people to unlock something like them. :-?

Regardless, I'm just hoping there are members here that will help make it a success. ;)^

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:50 am

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje

Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.

Derp, my brain was mixing up a few different things in that moment. I've been looking at a bunch of Headmasters episode stuff on TFWiki trying to get an idea of just how tall the trains are (seem to be about the same size as the Headmasters). But at the same time I had been looking at a bunch of Star Saber stuff because of the HasLab talk including a scale chart that had him in pretty close proximity to Raiden and my brain just sort of took off from there...

Emerje

by **Sherlock Zero** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:55 pm

Emerje wrote:I've been looking at a bunch of Headmasters episode stuff on TFWiki trying to get an idea of just how tall the trains are (seem to be about the same size as the Headmasters). But at the same time I had been looking at a bunch of Star Saber stuff because of the HasLab talk including a scale chart that had him in pretty close proximity to Raiden and my brain just sort of took off from there...

Emerje

According to The Headmasters, Shouki (and I believe the rest of the Trainbots are the same height) is as tall, or being close to being, as Rodimus Prime. And according to their MP-9 and MP-10 figures, as well as The Headmasters, both Primes are supposed to be the same height.

And according to Victory, Wheeljack's height has him reach up to Star Saber's crotch. But only when Star Saber is in full form. The episode that shows this also says that both Perceptor and Minerva are also as tall as Wheeljack in that series.

If you also need a visual reference, please let me know. I normally include one but I am also trying to catch up on a few non-Transformers related projects.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:16 am

New Color images of Shouki. Also this is being released under a new Title MPG= Masterpiece Gattai! I love it. :-D

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1212896 ... 154756460/

https://twitter.com/TF_pr/status/144385 ... 12804?s=19

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:17 am

This is fun. Today, someone uploaded an image of Masterpiece Shouki on the Hobbymizer Facebook page. The image seems to come from the Takara order forms which are our first look at products sometime. We will probably get an official reveal from Takara soon, especially since they set up a new MPG section on their site. MPG stands for Masterpiece Gattai which means "combine" and so now we know that the inidividual Raiden pieces will be released in a subline of Takara's Masterpiece line.

The coloured image shows us the finished product of Shouki, the first train bot released in this subline. We see his robot mode, his train car mode and his combined mode.

by **jtanimator** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:26 am

Huh. Honestly this just looks like a chug figure. Makes you wonder why they didn’t just make simplified versions of these guys leader size in the WFC trilogy.

by **WeatherManNX01** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:33 am

I'm not opposed to a Masterpiece Trainbot series, but it seems like an odd starting point for a combiner subline when there were so many other options available.

News Credits: 2 · by **whacko** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:47 am

Wow, it is really kind of kibble-tastic isn't it. I know the cartoon model has some back and arm panels, but this kind of looks like a brick that transforms into another brick. It looks like articulation will be significantly restricted by the panels and backpack, and it doesn't seem to match the aesthetic of other Masterpiece toys we've gotten recently.

Curious what the price and combined mode will be like though. I have no real connection to the Trainbots so I don't think I'll pick this up but I'd like to see how Takara builds and prices a combiner in hopes that they decide to tackle other more popular combiner teams in the future.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:05 am

Hot diggity! That solves the MPG mystery. Takara had Tweeted about it yesterday but then deleted the Tweet almost immediately.

News Credits: 7 · by **TulioDude** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:06 am

Looks interesting,but I will wait for more pictures before saying more.
I imagine the combined mode will be as tall as Titan Class Devastator?

Day 640 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:08 am

WeatherManNX01 wrote:I'm not opposed to a Masterpiece Trainbot series, but it seems like an odd starting point for a combiner subline when there were so many other options available.

Transforming Trains do go down a treat in Japan to be fair.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:10 am

WeatherManNX01 wrote:I'm not opposed to a Masterpiece Trainbot series, but it seems like an odd starting point for a combiner subline when there were so many other options available.

I know some fans have speculated this is a subline, but I don't think so. I think MPG will just be tied to Raiden specifically. I mean news about this first was talked 2 years ago. Also, there's no telling when these toys will actually come out. If it takes 3-4 years to develop just one, I can't see them doing it for multiple combiners.

News Credits: 1 · by **The_Cryptid_Person** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:27 am

This news is very disappointing. I would really like a Raiden update, but nowhere near enough to spend the $600-$1500 the Masterpiece label will surely demand. I wish the Legacy: Evolution line was making these guys instead of another Menasor.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:36 am

If that were the case, I'd be disappointed as well. But from all indications, although this is labeled as a MP, it appears to be more in CHUG scale. The comparison most people make is with CW/UW Devastator. It was scaled for MP, but with a Generations/UW Budget, which is fine. Although MPG Raiden will no doubt be more expensive. I would imagine somewhere between $70-100 per bot, making it $420-600 at the MOST.

I understand that STILL is a lot, but nowhere near the $1000-$1500 range. If they are released individually, that will make it a bit easier on the budget. Some fans gladly pay $400-$600 for 3P Combiners.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:00 pm

Latebrus-K wrote:This news is very disappointing. I would really like a Raiden update, but nowhere near enough to spend the $600-$1500 the Masterpiece label will surely demand. I wish the Legacy: Evolution line was making these guys instead of another Menasor.

Plus as well as what O. Supreme said, it took HasLab to get western fans a shot at Star Saber, a much more recognisable face from the JG1 part of the franchise, there's no way they'd do Raiden as mainline retail.

News Credits: 42 · by **TF-fan kev777** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:26 pm

o.supreme wrote:
WeatherManNX01 wrote:I'm not opposed to a Masterpiece Trainbot series, but it seems like an odd starting point for a combiner subline when there were so many other options available.

I know some fans have speculated this is a subline, but I don't think so. I think MPG will just be tied to Raiden specifically. I mean news about this first was talked 2 years ago. Also, there's no telling when these toys will actually come out. If it takes 3-4 years to develop just one, I can't see them doing it for multiple combiners.

I agree with your line of thinking. I'd go 1 step further and guess that the main reason for the new designation is to separate it somewhat from the regular MP line since I doubt they will be able to design a combiner to normal MP standards for the combined form, 6 individual trains and 6 individual bots. Some compromises will be needed somewhere and I'm guessing they will stand out somewhat from the regular MP line due to this.