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Looks like the transformation is very similar to Wheeljack. I wonder if that's why they were released so close to one another?

I think he meant $37 Euros? It's $47 USD on HLJ. Plus shipping, it'll still come out to $60. I still wouldn't buy this "leglux" or "warriorgend" size figure for that much.

Siger wrote:I think he meant $37 Euros? It's $47 USD on HLJ. Plus shipping, it'll still come out to $60.

HLJ isn't taking any more preorders, but it was priced at $55.60. Int'l shipping would cost at least $15, so it would be $70 shipped.

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT80318

The only way anyone is getting this for $39 is if it's a knock-off. Even in Japan it costs more than that.

I'm sorry, X, but you aren't getting away with this one.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote: Unless of course youre into that silly vintage toy scale penny racer crap. Just my opinion.

You mean like how that old cartoon you hold to such a high regard was?

Sabrblade, you hit the nail on the head. Also, X, is EVERYTHING that doesn't conform to your extremely narrow view "silly crap"?

For the most part, Bumblebee and the rest of the minibots came up to Primes waist level in the cartoon. (yes I know there were some anomalies)

SOME anomalies? The minibot's heights were completely all over the place. They NEVER stayed consistent- ever. Sometimes Bumblebee came up to Prime's chest, sometimes he came up to his knees. And whenever he transformed he seemed to go to "normal" car size (albeit with penny-racer proportions) despite being only slightly taller than a human normally. Seaspray was often depicted as the same height as Bumblebee in robot mode...and then the size of a normal hovercraft in vehicle mode. Sometimes. Warpath meanwhile seems to go from a decidedly non-Mini robot mode to a normal sized (and thus very large) tank.

But focusing on Bumblebee...


...Seen here barely bigger than a guy in a wheelchair...


...And here only somewhat larger than Ravage...


...And yet here roughly the size of an actual VW Beetle.

But that vintage toy scale where the mini bots only come up to Primes kneecaps is just stupid.

You mean the scale the cartoon actually used (most of the time)?

I hate the toy scale, always did, always will. While the cartoon was far from perfect, it attempted to correct a lot of things that looked bad in the toy line.

And yet whenever anyone tries to correct anything that looked bad in the cartoon (like Megatron turning into a goddamn handgun, the equivalent of Darth Vader turning into his own lightsaber for a Storm Trooper to hold) then you call it "silly crap".

By your logic, G1 is a horrible, heretical work that ruined Diaclone and Microman forever, changing Cosmo Countach's iconic red deco, giving Cherry Vanette a head instead of the COMPULSORY chair, and totally taking a dump over the source material by making them sentient robots instead of piloted mecha. G1 ruined Diaclone and Microman forever and raped thousands of Japanese children's childhoods forever.

The season 1 lineup was mashed together from a bunch of different Japanese toy lines of different sizes. So tweaking the scale in the cartoon made sense. It gave it a more realistic vibe.

>G1 cartoon
>Realistic

I do not have a laughing image macro mocking enough for this.

But damnit I'm going to try.





...Ahem.

Anyways, this guy looks great. I'd actually love him for my "normal" collection as he looks pretty good next to deluxe cars. I kinda wish they gave him his penny racer proportions, but saying that, the Choro-Q look probably doensn't look quite as good at that size as it does on a penny-sized figure. Also engineering and all.

In any case, I love 'im.

Some people are so determined to find things to complain about they don't even realize they're contradicting themselves.

GuyIncognito wrote:

Siger wrote:I think he meant $37 Euros? It's $47 USD on HLJ. Plus shipping, it'll still come out to $60.

HLJ isn't taking any more preorders, but it was priced at $55.60. Int'l shipping would cost at least $15, so it would be $70 shipped.

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT80318

The only way anyone is getting this for $39 is if it's a knock-off. Even in Japan it costs more than that.

No, if you highlight the price it's 47.26, shipping in my experience was about $12 for 1/100 Hi Nu Gundam. So Bumblebee can't be heavier than that huge box. It should come out to about $60.

Siger wrote:No, if you highlight the price it's 47.26, shipping in my experience was about $12 for 1/100 Hi Nu Gundam. So Bumblebee can't be heavier than that huge box. It should come out to about $60.

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT80318

I see $55.60



The price is 6000 Yen. At the current exchange rate, that's about $55.40

https://www.google.com/search?q=6000+yen

Regarless, the point remains the same: you can't get it for less than $40.

GuyIncognito wrote:

Siger wrote:No, if you highlight the price it's 47.26, shipping in my experience was about $12 for 1/100 Hi Nu Gundam. So Bumblebee can't be heavier than that huge box. It should come out to about $60.

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT80318

I see $55.60



The price is 6000 Yen. At the current exchange rate, that's about $55.40

https://www.google.com/search?q=6000+yen

Regarless, the point remains the same: you can't get it for less than $40.

We got it at pre-order prices. HLJ, like most Japanese based retailers have "early bird" pre-order prices that are below actual retail.
Just checked, BB cost me 5,100 yen, which according to current conversion is 47.11 USD, add 18 USD for fast shipping and you get 65.11 USD. Other places have even lower early bird specials, but I used hlj because they let me pay once it's there, and over pay-pal while the others use credit cards only.
For me this is the cheapest way of getting these, local hoby stores want like 80 USD for the figure alone, plus shipping. On top of that I get it the same time it arrives at their store.

Amiami, goes even lower, Star Saber for instance is currently 32% of.

GuyIncognito wrote:

Siger wrote:No, if you highlight the price it's 47.26, shipping in my experience was about $12 for 1/100 Hi Nu Gundam. So Bumblebee can't be heavier than that huge box. It should come out to about $60.

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT80318

I see $55.60



The price is 6000 Yen. At the current exchange rate, that's about $55.40

https://www.google.com/search?q=6000+yen

Regarless, the point remains the same: you can't get it for less than $40.

They sold it at 15% off.
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljlist?Genr ... 21&x=0&y=0
Yes the other guy's high or have memory problems.

Dead Metal wrote:

GuyIncognito wrote:

Siger wrote:No, if you highlight the price it's 47.26, shipping in my experience was about $12 for 1/100 Hi Nu Gundam. So Bumblebee can't be heavier than that huge box. It should come out to about $60.

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT80318

I see $55.60



The price is 6000 Yen. At the current exchange rate, that's about $55.40

https://www.google.com/search?q=6000+yen

Regarless, the point remains the same: you can't get it for less than $40.

We got it at pre-order prices. HLJ, like most Japanese based retailers have "early bird" pre-order prices that are below actual retail.
Just checked, BB cost me 5,100 yen, which according to current conversion is 47.11 USD, add 18 USD for fast shipping and you get 65.11 USD. Other places have even lower early bird specials, but I used hlj because they let me pay once it's there, and over pay-pal while the others use credit cards only.
For me this is the cheapest way of getting these, local hoby stores want like 80 USD for the figure alone, plus shipping. On top of that I get it the same time it arrives at their store.

Amiami, goes even lower, Star Saber for instance is currently 32% of.

Thanks for the info on Starsaber, amiami had them sold out on pre-orders. Now I can save another $12 compared to my HLJ order.

Siger wrote:

GuyIncognito wrote:

Siger wrote:No, if you highlight the price it's 47.26, shipping in my experience was about $12 for 1/100 Hi Nu Gundam. So Bumblebee can't be heavier than that huge box. It should come out to about $60.

http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT80318

I see $55.60



The price is 6000 Yen. At the current exchange rate, that's about $55.40

https://www.google.com/search?q=6000+yen

Regarless, the point remains the same: you can't get it for less than $40.

They sold it at 15% off.
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljlist?Genr ... 21&x=0&y=0
Yes the other guy's high or have memory problems.

scientists have proven that one can lead to the other

Daaaaaamn!
Delta Magnus tore that guy a new Bummblebee hole.
You could fit Leader Class Movie Bee in there.

And now yet again the size seems not to be right

How is it possible BBB as a camaro be close of Optimus chest? The worst was Lockdown a Lambo almoost the same size of Prime?

Cheapest place I know of that is no longer taking orders on BB is 4,500jpy at Big in Japan. I wish I had noticed that before, comes to only US$41.60 under the current exchange rate. Makes that US$39 comment before seem a little more believable doesn't it? BiJ wasn't really on my radar before, I usually go with either AmiAmi or HLJ, but between that and them getting Exhaust for a little less than AmiAmi and Star Saber for 900jpy less than HLJ I ended up going with them for both of those.

BTW, if you want to know what HLJ's asking price is on a "stopped" order, use the search, the results come back with the price even if their page doesn't.

Emerje

God, I hate Bumblebee. Just throwing it out there. Again.

autobot1979 wrote:How is it possible BBB as a camaro be close of Optimus chest? The worst was Lockdown a Lambo almoost the same size of Prime?

Remember when the studio was making the first movie and they said that Transformers would not be goofy like they were in the 80's and do things like mass shift.....or they would not look like they have human faces.......well they lied!

It's clear that Takara are not going by the G1 cartoon sizes since they were inconsistent thanks to the shoddy animation (terrible by the final season). They are using the old Sunbow size chart that loves to make an appearance when ever a scale argument starts. Going by that, Bumblebee is the perfect size for the line, along with a number of third party products. I hope he makes his release window. It would be a great birthday present for myself.

Sonavabitch, just checked my HLJ pre-orders and while I have Ultra Magnus and Star Saber pre-ordered, I must have flaked out on Bumblebee. I could have sworn I pre-ordered him.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:Sonavabitch, just checked my HLJ pre-orders and while I have Ultra Magnus and Star Saber pre-ordered, I must have flaked out on Bumblebee. I could have sworn I pre-ordered him.

That happened to me with Fortress Maximus.

The second last step is quite misleading and you think you're done, but if you scroll further down there's the "confirm order" button. You probably did what I tend to do and missed it.

What I want to see is if his back piece can be repositioned Goldbug-style.

Of course, to get a decent Goldbug, the following would need to be retooled:
Head
Shoulders (angled, slightly concave tops)
Chest (removing the fake rear window)
*tweaks could also be made to the waistpiece and thighs to make them more distinct

Don't know if they'd go that far, though; if they did do a Goldbug version, we'd probably only get a new head.

So...around $70.00 for a couple of Deluxe Class figures? That works out to be $35.00 a piece for two Masterpiece figures. I've paid more for less on the 3rd party market. This is a good deal.

GuyIncognito wrote:

Kibble wrote:
Me either...I ordered mine from Japan for like $39 instead.

From where, and how much was shipping?

I preordered from BBTS, but if there's a cheaper option, I'd love to know.

If he is still available. Seems like he's been sold out for the last 4 months or so.

GuyIncognito wrote:Some people are so determined to find things to complain about they don't even realize they're contradicting themselves.

Delta Magnus wrote:I'm sorry, X, but you aren't getting away with this one.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote: Unless of course youre into that silly vintage toy scale penny racer crap. Just my opinion.

You mean like how that old cartoon you hold to such a high regard was?

Sabrblade, you hit the nail on the head. Also, X, is EVERYTHING that doesn't conform to your extremely narrow view "silly crap"?

For the most part, Bumblebee and the rest of the minibots came up to Primes waist level in the cartoon. (yes I know there were some anomalies)

SOME anomalies? The minibot's heights were completely all over the place. They NEVER stayed consistent- ever. Sometimes Bumblebee came up to Prime's chest, sometimes he came up to his knees. And whenever he transformed he seemed to go to "normal" car size (albeit with penny-racer proportions) despite being only slightly taller than a human normally. Seaspray was often depicted as the same height as Bumblebee in robot mode...and then the size of a normal hovercraft in vehicle mode. Sometimes. Warpath meanwhile seems to go from a decidedly non-Mini robot mode to a normal sized (and thus very large) tank.

But focusing on Bumblebee...


...Seen here barely bigger than a guy in a wheelchair...


...And here only somewhat larger than Ravage...


...And yet here roughly the size of an actual VW Beetle.

But that vintage toy scale where the mini bots only come up to Primes kneecaps is just stupid.

You mean the scale the cartoon actually used (most of the time)?

I hate the toy scale, always did, always will. While the cartoon was far from perfect, it attempted to correct a lot of things that looked bad in the toy line.

And yet whenever anyone tries to correct anything that looked bad in the cartoon (like Megatron turning into a goddamn handgun, the equivalent of Darth Vader turning into his own lightsaber for a Storm Trooper to hold) then you call it "silly crap".

By your logic, G1 is a horrible, heretical work that ruined Diaclone and Microman forever, changing Cosmo Countach's iconic red deco, giving Cherry Vanette a head instead of the COMPULSORY chair, and totally taking a dump over the source material by making them sentient robots instead of piloted mecha. G1 ruined Diaclone and Microman forever and raped thousands of Japanese children's childhoods forever.

The season 1 lineup was mashed together from a bunch of different Japanese toy lines of different sizes. So tweaking the scale in the cartoon made sense. It gave it a more realistic vibe.

>G1 cartoon
>Realistic

I do not have a laughing image macro mocking enough for this.

But damnit I'm going to try.





...Ahem.

Anyways, this guy looks great. I'd actually love him for my "normal" collection as he looks pretty good next to deluxe cars. I kinda wish they gave him his penny racer proportions, but saying that, the Choro-Q look probably doensn't look quite as good at that size as it does on a penny-sized figure. Also engineering and all.

In any case, I love 'im.

If he was made too big than the Car 'bots, people will complain, if made classic size, people will say its out of scale............I'm so confused!

MegaDump wrote:God, I hate Bumblebee. Just throwing it out there. Again.

Maybe too much Bayverse BB. G1 BB isn't all that bad.

Siger wrote:I'm not paying $70+ bucks for a barely 5 inch figure.

Correction, 4 inch figure...

Don't be too harsh. Take into consideration the licensing (You know how VW gave Binaltech a lot of cr@p back then because of the line being a "war toy"). Plus, the engineering too.

That guy (Professor Teranova) isn't in a wheelchair.

I think the height is perfect personally. And the diversity is nice.

Cancelled my preorder for bee. I sort of feel bad in that I really want this figure but I really don't want a transforming suit to go with it. I'm not feeling the face sculpt either. I wanted to want this, but I don't get the same excitment that I felt for the other new MP autobots. I will get bee if he's cheaper or the hasbro version. I probably WON'T do a KO.