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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Seibertron » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:27 pm

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Where does Riki come from with Chikara?

"Yūki no Burein" = 勇気のブレイン = "Brain of Courage"
"Chikara no Burein" = カのブレイン = "Brain of Strength"
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"Waza no Burein" = 技のブレイ = "Brain of Skill"
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:44 pm

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Seibertron wrote:Where does Riki come from with Chikara?
It was likely from a mistranslation of 力 (chikara).

I don't know exactly how fans got "Riki" (or "Sala", another fan name) from 力, though of note is how very similar 力 resembles the Katakana カ ("Ka") character. There's very little difference visible between the two when viewed on this screen, unless one enlarges them:

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"Chikara" vs. "Ka"

Seibertron wrote:"Yūki no Burein" = 勇気のブレイン = "Brain of Courage"
"Chikara no Burein" = 力のブレイン = "Brain of Strength"
"Chie no Burein" = 知恵のブレイン = "Brain of Intelligence"
"Waza no Burein" = 技のブレイン = "Brain of Skill"
You can use the English word "Brain" instead of the transliteration of "Burein" since the use of Katakana over Hiragana denotes their using the English word.

Otherwise, the Kanji 脳 ("Nō") or the Hiragana のう ("Nō") would have been used for "Brain" instead of ブレイン ("Burein").
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:05 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:"Yūki" is literally the Japanese word for "Courage", "Bravery", "Fearlessness", etc. Same with the other three meaning those other words (though, it's "Chikara" rather than "Riki"). "Waza" was even used again in recent years in Transformers: Go! to refer to GoKenzan as the "Waza no Sanjou Gattai", meaning he's the "Triple Combination of Skill". Fans attributing these descriptors to the Brainmasters as personal names for them was likely another product of the early online fandom of the 90s' lack of full understanding of the Japanese Transformers series. And that is reasonably understandable since both the fandom and its awareness of the Japanese TF series' existence was still very new at the time, and the shows themselves wouldn't be fully experienced until the fansubs of them from TV-Nihon and the official subbed DVD sets of them from the UK and Australia came about in the 2000s.

As for the brains themselves, the Victory cartoon itself would address the terms "Yūki", "Chikara", "Chie" and "Waza" in regards to the brains in its third episode:
Joyce: "Hey, are the Cybertrons powerful?"
Jean: "Of course! All the Cybertrons are powerful, but the Brainmasters are really powerful!"
Joyce: "Brainmasters?"
Jean: "Yeah! There's only four beings in the whole universe who have the Brain Power (Burein Kinō)!"
Students: "Wow!"
Teacher: "Jean-kun! Be quiet and pay attention!"
Jean: "Yes sir!"
Joyce: "What's Brain Power?"
Jean: "I'm glad you asked! Brain Power is... Courage (Yūki)! Strength (Chikara)! Intelligence (Chie)! Skill (Waza)! It's an awesome mecha that gives one's abilities a power-up! When some has the Brain Power, they become one of the most powerful warriors in the universe! Well, that's what I heard from Holi, anyway."
Jean's hyperbolic excitement aside, it's evident that he's speaking of the Brains as a power (manifested into physical robotic forms) belonging to each of the larger Autobots, rather than as individual persons in their own right.

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They're still "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza" to me.


I call them Bill, Bob, Rob and Roy. And they're from a Japanese animated cartoon.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby guarayakha » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:09 am

Seibertron wrote:
Where does Riki come from with Chikara?


Synonyms. The kanji "力" can be read as both "Chikara" or "Riki".
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:32 pm

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guarayakha wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Where does Riki come from with Chikara?


Synonyms. The kanji "力" can be read as both "Chikara" or "Riki".


To elaborate a bit: most Kanji have multiple readings, one from native Japanese, and the other derived from the original Chinese. Which one to use when is a bit of an art, but a good rule to follow is that one is used stand-alone, and the other as part of a compound. Some are just a mess and have to be learned by heart. Look at 力 for example:

力 = Chikara (kun'yomi reading)
重力 = Juu-ryoku (on'yomi reading)
超力 = Chou-riki (alternate on'yomi reading)

The third is where "Riki" comes from. :)
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:37 pm

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And now my noting of how similar "chikara" and "ka" look has been rendered entirely pointless. :lol:

Rightfully so, though, as I see in hindsight that it certainly was. :oops:
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby LOST Cybertronian » Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:42 pm

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Here is another size comparison for the upcoming Masterpiece Star Saber. This image sent to us by Autobot Genocide from the TF Upgrader Facebook page.

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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:25 pm

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There's one more comparison image from the same source that compares the full robot modes of the original and the Masterpiece.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:49 pm

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So yeah, despite Saber and the Brain being smaller than their originals, Star Saber's "Battle Up!" form is definitely bigger.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Agamemnon » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:22 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:So yeah, despite Saber and the Brain being smaller than their originals, Star Saber's "Battle Up!" form is definitely bigger.

Indeed. I also like the proportions better now. It feels much closer to screen accuracy in the respective parts of Star Saber. I'm very happy with it! :DANCE:
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby RotorstormNZ » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:56 pm

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I know nothing about this character, I've never seen his show, and I've never laid hands on his original toy, but each new photo makes me want this more and more and more. It looks like a brilliant update of the original with modern engineering and I imagine the end result will blow a lot of people away.

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MP-24 Masterpiece Star Saber to be Released in March

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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:28 pm

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24, eh? Doesn't make him sound that special compared to when he had no known number.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby The Thuggernaut » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:45 pm

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About 170-180 bucks, hmmm >:oP , not bad, not bad at all.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Torneira » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:03 am

Release in March? Let's hope so...
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby BERSEKAEL » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:16 am

honestly doesn't look bad, besides I know nothing about that character or its lore. So pass.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby kirbenvost » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:50 am

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He somehow looks cooler in the grey prototype form. It's those typical anime robot Playskool-esque colors again. :lol:

Another cool thing, this seems to confirm he can hold the sword with the blade facing the right direction.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby RhA » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:11 am

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BERSEKAEL wrote:honestly doesn't look bad, besides I know nothing about that character or its lore. So pass.

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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:41 am

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Hmm...now to find out how much that is pound wise. These pictures are fantastic, a lot of love has been given to updating Star Saber. Can't wait for next March.
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby OptimalOptimus2 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:01 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Hmm...now to find out how much that is pound wise. These pictures are fantastic, a lot of love has been given to updating Star Saber. Can't wait for next March.

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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby WildclawPrime » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:14 am

Still a nice looking MP figure. I'm still sure that Takara will make a MP Victory Leo, so that way we could have an MP Victory Saber. Nicely done, Takara. :D
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Re: Takara Tomy Masterpiece Star Saber Discussion Thread

Postby Xephon0930 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:41 am

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Is that Star Saber holding his sword properly?
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