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[fenrir72]

I wonder if people would complain if the sled folded up on his back the way Shockwave's stand does?

Emerje

Does it? It kinda looks like it maybe can...

See the package image. It's separate

[Ultra Markus]

my only complaint is the butt wheels and the red hip panels maybe they could have put them somewhere else where you might see them but wont look weird, anyway its amazing how they had the whole vehicle form the robot, how i envisioned the original toy should have been although with its flaws its still the best Ironhide toy so far

[Hellscream9999]

One more thing where would the side skirts and wheels on his butt go since in the cartoon his Transformation defied the laws of physics with all his vehicle mode bits just disappearing into nothing.

I don't know about the wheels, but those panels should have been engineered to slide, swivel, or flip up and cover the very obvious gaps in his mid-section. Or, how about they just follow the wheels and become butt kibble. That sounds a whole lot better than mucking up the robot mode and hindering the leg articulation.

What do you people want the designers to do, use black Magic to copy a design that in Robot mode had zero vehicle bits on show to work with and still transform into a van. I doubt even Hasui could of engineered that and still make it look good. This figure is probably the best anyone could do with the design they had to work with and all we can do is be perfectionists who nit-pick every detail.

Please.

Ironhide could have been better designed and engineered. It doesn't take black magic, it takes a budget. As nice as Ultra Magnus is, that toy definitely suffered in some areas because they tried very hard to cut costs. I would not be surprised if Ironhide was a similar case.

As far as I'm concerned, this figure is a decent placeholder, but not a definitive version of the character in any sense.

This. TT has a certain budget cutoff point. And you follow what the suits upstairs say so. 3rd party companies are more likely a bunch of family/buddies/co-investors/designers package willing to take a gamble etc etc unlike the corporate slugs.

Before this gets relegated to which is better, 3rd party or 1st, the proof in the pie is in the "humping". So let's wait until it gets delivered.

But beyond that, there are several prominent 3p ironhides that use a rather simple transformation to achieve near flawless articulation and screen accuracy (I believe); not saying TT should clone the 3p designs, but it is possible, and they could have easily worked in elements of it to make it look better.

[fenrir72]

http://weibo.com/2326693587/DeB5hk0Ic?f ... =weibotime

[D-Maximal_Primal]

This is indeed a case of looking far better in hand. Those pics make Ironhide look awesome

[BumbleDouche]

I just don't get the hate this figure is receiving. This is probably the definitive version of Ironhide we will ever get. One more thing where would the side skirts and wheels on his butt go since in the cartoon his Transformation defied the laws of physics with all his vehicle mode bits just disappearing into nothing. What do you people want the designers to do, use black Magic to copy a design that in Robot mode had zero vehicle bits on show to work with and still transform into a van. I doubt even Hasui could of engineered that and still make it look good. This figure is probably the best anyone could do with the design they had to work with and all we can do is be perfectionists who nit-pick every detail.

Well, we definitely know that no black magic is necessary because there are 3rd Party designs, particularly the Voodoo model, that DO manage to achieve the things you've mentioned. Although I suppose there is some irony in a company called Voodoo NOT using black magic lol. Again, 3rd party companies should not even be contenders when it comes to producing the "definitive" look of any particular character. Has/Tak have done brilliant jobs with previous MP releases, but I think it's fair to say that this one has divided the fan community more than any previous release. So much so, that we'll probably get an updated version at some point in the future. At least, I hope so... Because I sure wont be buying this mess in it's current form.

[Emerje]

Well, we definitely know that no black magic is necessary because there are 3rd Party designs, particularly the Voodoo model, that DO manage to achieve the things you've mentioned. Although I suppose there is some irony in a company called Voodoo NOT using black magic lol. Again, 3rd party companies should not even be contenders when it comes to producing the "definitive" look of any particular character. Has/Tak have done brilliant jobs with previous MP releases, but I think it's fair to say that this one has divided the fan community more than any previous release. So much so, that we'll probably get an updated version at some point in the future. At least, I hope so... Because I sure wont be buying this mess in it's current form.

Eh, the Voodoo Robots versions do the torsos right, but the legs (and those window feet!) are completely wrong for the TV likeness Takara Tomy was going for (and many of us prefer) and the arms look no better at all still leaving chunks of stuff on the back of the forearms. It really comes down to preference and I find more than enough faults with all of the third party versions that I'm satisfied with the official version.

Emerje

[Cyberpath]

I think he looks good, but the proof is in the pudding -- I guess we'll find out soon enough!

I can't wait to get some pudding!

He looks great in that shot with the sunlight all bouncing off of him.

Soon. :)

In the meantime, some more in-hand pix from the web:

With all due respect to the talent and skill of the 3P designers, I think this here looks much better than the unlicensed Ironhide figures.

[Va'al]

Through fellow Seibertron.com members fenrir72 and Cyberpath, and from a variety of sources, including weibo user 亚特兰蒂C, we have some more in-hand images of the soon to be released Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-27 Ironhide fresh out of the box! Check them out mirrored below, as they show the figure in a number of poses and from several angles.

[Amelie]

This to me sums up all the source of where I suspect this toy hasn't met expectations. Because of the design choice to include the 'toy face', all of that volume behind the windscreen, which logically is where you would store the actual head is used for something else.

That held sculpt is magnificent, though.

[BumbleDouche]

Well, we definitely know that no black magic is necessary because there are 3rd Party designs, particularly the Voodoo model, that DO manage to achieve the things you've mentioned. Although I suppose there is some irony in a company called Voodoo NOT using black magic lol. Again, 3rd party companies should not even be contenders when it comes to producing the "definitive" look of any particular character. Has/Tak have done brilliant jobs with previous MP releases, but I think it's fair to say that this one has divided the fan community more than any previous release. So much so, that we'll probably get an updated version at some point in the future. At least, I hope so... Because I sure wont be buying this mess in it's current form.

Eh, the Voodoo Robots versions do the torsos right, but the legs (and those window feet!) are completely wrong for the TV likeness Takara Tomy was going for (and many of us prefer) and the arms look no better at all still leaving chunks of stuff on the back of the forearms. It really comes down to preference and I find more than enough faults with all of the third party versions that I'm satisfied with the official version.

Emerje

You may be right... It's likely my own neurosis that's the factor here. I'm sure most of us have a different vision of what constitutes a "perfect" Ironhide sculpt. My main point of contention is the torso and waist. With that in mind, my own preference for the torso/waist of the Voodoo design may have led me to overlook some of the other potential shortcomings you've mentioned. I mean, the torso is the most glaringly obvious difference there & it's mainly that (and the diaper) that I have a problem with. While yes, it is largely personal preference, I still can't help but feel as though Has/Tak could have made a better job of it rather than simply relying on us collectors to buy the figure just because it's the official version & it's the best they can be bothered with.

[sol magnus]

Yeah, I know a lot of people don't like aspects of this figure, but I am good with it. I can't wait to get mine (well, when Hot Rod comes out - gotta save on shipping).

[Sabrblade]

Man, that quite a gut he has:

[megatronus]

Man, that quite a gut he has:

And yet, his profile from the front is thin and sleek. I'm not sure if that's a positive or a negative.

[Glarryg]

I didn't realize how small that battle sled actually is until now...

Glarryg

[shajaki]

Been gettin a lot of roboners lately...

And I knew Ironhide was a size between Prime and the cars, but damn he looks big in hand!

[Emerje]

Man, that quite a gut he has:

And yet, his profile from the front is thin and sleek. I'm not sure if that's a positive or a negative.

It's because of the way his shoulders sit back. If they were forward just a little more in line with his head and hips his "gut" wouldn't seem so big.

Emerje

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Man, that quite a gut he has:

And yet, his profile from the front is thin and sleek. I'm not sure if that's a positive or a negative.

It's because of the way his shoulders sit back. If they were forward just a little more in line with his head and hips his "gut" wouldn't seem so big.

Emerje

I think it looks supersexy imo.

[Rodimus Minor]

I don't get all the Hate this figure is getting, if you don't like it don't buy it there simple answer people.

I am excited for this figure but as my Brother is Getting Ironhide I can save money to see what the Mould is Like then if I like it I will get Ratchet but so far I like the look of the toy

[megatronus]

I don't get all the Hate this figure is getting, if you don't like it don't buy it there simple answer people.

I am excited for this figure but as my Brother is Getting Ironhide I can save money to see what the Mould is Like then if I like it I will get Ratchet but so far I like the look of the toy

This is a two way street.

"I don't get the Love this figure is getting. If you like it, buy it."

But... you're not buying it. You're waiting for someone else to get it to see if you like it. So...

[Hellscream9999]

I don't get all the Hate this figure is getting, if you don't like it don't buy it there simple answer people.

I am excited for this figure but as my Brother is Getting Ironhide I can save money to see what the Mould is Like then if I like it I will get Ratchet but so far I like the look of the toy

This is a two way street.

"I don't get the Love this figure is getting. If you like it, buy it."

But... you're not buying it. You're waiting for someone else to get it to see if you like it. So...

This.

We've had plenty of users who have registered actual issues with the design of the mold, not least of whom are Sabrblade and Seibertron. And as pointed out earlier, it seems a good portion of the figure was given up to a throwback easter egg and was designed around it; And honestly, he never looked right to me in the first place, which is strange as ratchet actually pulls the mold off quite well, and I can only place the blame on the design of the diaper

[Ironhidensh]

I had grown somewhat optimistic about this figure, but these pictures ruin that. It doesn't live up to the MP standard. 3Rd party doing a better job doesn't even matter because we have seen A better job done on on the regular transformed lines. This just feels lazy.

[fenrir72]

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... URE-013654

from amiami's site (finally)they haven't updated their b/w image

[Cyberpath]

From: げんもん Photo Vault

[Va'al]

Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath keeps the goodies coming, as they share with us げんもん Photo Vault's images of the collector coin that will accompany the Hasbro Asia edition (potentially) of Transformers Masterpiece MP-27 Ironhide - and we share them with you all, by mirroring them below!