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Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

What the guy above said.

The deco is VERY different from the original. It's a major improvement. But I agree that the problem is the mold itself. Way too huge and don't scale with anything.

It scales with Nightscream and Supreme Cheetor.

The one who have such a display should be thrown deep into an oubliette!

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

What the guy above said.

The deco is VERY different from the original. It's a major improvement. But I agree that the problem is the mold itself. Way too huge and don't scale with anything.

It scales with Nightscream and Supreme Cheetor.

The one who have such a display should be thrown deep into an oubliette!

Including our illustrious Site Owner?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

What the guy above said.

The deco is VERY different from the original. It's a major improvement. But I agree that the problem is the mold itself. Way too huge and don't scale with anything.

It scales with Nightscream and Supreme Cheetor.

The one who have such a display should be thrown deep into an oubliette!

Now that's something you don't hear every day...

Seeing those pictures though makes me wonder what hasbro were thinking when doing the beast machines line or if they had research to prove toys like that would sell.

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

What the guy above said.

The deco is VERY different from the original. It's a major improvement. But I agree that the problem is the mold itself. Way too huge and don't scale with anything.

It scales with Nightscream and Supreme Cheetor.

The one who have such a display should be thrown deep into an oubliette!

Now that's something you don't hear every day...

Seeing those pictures though makes me wonder what hasbro were thinking when doing the beast machines line or if they had research to prove toys like that would sell.

At the time, Hasbro has based the designs for the initinal toys of the show characters off of preliminary concept artwork done by Draxhall Jump, which differed from the finalized CG models done by Mainframe. Towards the end of the line, in the Battle for the Spark subline, more show-accurate molds began to crop up in the line, but which still didn't quite match the rather toy-transformation-unfriendly CG models.

It was a time when Hasbro and Mainframe simply weren't as much on the same page as they had been with Beast Wars since, unlike Beast Wars having had its toys designed before the cartoon models were, the Beast Machines cartoon designs and toy designs were made more independently of each other.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

What the guy above said.

The deco is VERY different from the original. It's a major improvement. But I agree that the problem is the mold itself. Way too huge and don't scale with anything.

It scales with Nightscream and Supreme Cheetor.

The one who have such a display should be thrown deep into an oubliette!

Now that's something you don't hear every day...

Seeing those pictures though makes me wonder what hasbro were thinking when doing the beast machines line or if they had research to prove toys like that would sell.

At the time, Hasbro has based the designs for the initinal toys of the show characters off of preliminary concept artwork done by Draxhall Jump, which differed from the finalized CG models done by Mainframe. Towards the end of the line, in the Battle for the Spark subline, more show-accurate molds began to crop up in the line, but which still didn't quite match the rather toy-transformation-unfriendly CG models.

It was a time when Hasbro and Mainframe simply weren't as much on the same page as they had been with Beast Wars since, unlike Beast Wars having had its toys designed before the cartoon models were, the Beast Machines cartoon designs and toy designs were made more independently of each other.

It's really Hasbro's fault. They told Mainframe to split their season 4 budget to also make an Action Man cartoon forcing Mainframe to start Beast Wars over as Beast Machines with easier to animate CG, transformation trickery, and very few textures. If Mainframe had their entire budget they might have been able to do something closer to the Draxhall Jump designs, for better or worse.

And yes, I would buy Blast Punch Primal in show colors in a heartbeat. Unfortunately the new Encore line seems to be designed to use existing molds as a substitute for MPs that will never happen so bigger is better. I'm sure we'll be getting a Cybertron/Galaxy Force Optimus Prime announcement sooner or later.

Emerje

You know what would really sell me on a proper re-release of Air Attack Optimus Primal? If he actually came in Beast Machines or Beast Wars Returns packaging in a similar style to how he had been done previously. Heck, split the production run in half and do both package styles, or do a flipped box with one side having one package style with a window, and the flip side of the package having product imagery but in the style of the other product line. Now that could be really cool.

Seibertron wrote:You know what would really sell me on a proper re-release of Air Attack Optimus Primal? If he actually came in Beast Machines or Beast Wars Returns packaging in a similar style to how he had been done previously. Heck, split the production run in half and do both package styles, or do a flipped box with one side having one package style with a window, and the flip side of the package having product imagery but in the style of the other product line. Now that could be really cool.

Knowing the Encore line's penchant for using vintage packaging styles, it more than most likely will be using Beast Wars Returns-styled packaging, especially since this toy's name is "Returns Convoy".

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:You know what would really sell me on a proper re-release of Air Attack Optimus Primal? If he actually came in Beast Machines or Beast Wars Returns packaging in a similar style to how he had been done previously. Heck, split the production run in half and do both package styles, or do a flipped box with one side having one package style with a window, and the flip side of the package having product imagery but in the style of the other product line. Now that could be really cool.

Knowing the Encore line's penchant for using vintage packaging styles, it more than most likely will be using Beast Wars Returns-styled packaging, especially since this toy's name is "Returns Convoy".

It is an interesting point, since this figure was never actually released by TT (right?). We could end up with something original

shajaki wrote:It is an interesting point, since this figure was never actually released by TT (right?).

Yes and no. Its the same scenario as Masterpiece Acid Storm. Released by Takara but the same as Hasbro version in the same box.

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:You know what would really sell me on a proper re-release of Air Attack Optimus Primal? If he actually came in Beast Machines or Beast Wars Returns packaging in a similar style to how he had been done previously. Heck, split the production run in half and do both package styles, or do a flipped box with one side having one package style with a window, and the flip side of the package having product imagery but in the style of the other product line. Now that could be really cool.

Knowing the Encore line's penchant for using vintage packaging styles, it more than most likely will be using Beast Wars Returns-styled packaging, especially since this toy's name is "Returns Convoy".

It is an interesting point, since this figure was never actually released by TT (right?). We could end up with something original

Sky Lynx and Omega Supreme were likewise never released by Takara prior to their Encore releases, so they have set a precedent for Returns Convoy to get vintage Takara BWR packaging like they got vintage Takara G1 packaging.

I didn't know that. Neat

I'll be really pleased if he gets a box in the BWR style.

Relevant or not but take a look at this. As of June 10,2018

No likes!Even after a week!

News about this encore release has been thin on the ground but we're pleased to bring you news of a Video Review! The review was done by YouTube user, Stalker,and was passed on to us courtesy of fellow Seibertron user, What's Crackin'?

While the review itself is non-English, it does show the differences this redeco has to the original and its sound phrases. We have embedded the video below for your convenience.



Does this review change your mind about this figure? What would you like to see as an Encore release next? More show accurate redecos? Or more items like the forthcoming Unicron of Light? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews.

Beast Wars Returns style packaging! Called it!

And goofy new voice clips in reflection of the Beast Wars Returns Japanese dub, in particular referencing the goofy chanting that was spoken over the theme song in Episode 14.

His eyes aren't blue?