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fenrir72 wrote:Okay, so anything female must be rendered gender neutral like this?
or this?
Isn't the cultural world going too far with this PC sensitivity nonsense?
These I assume is sexist![]()
So all the macho poses of the male Autobots and Decepticons. Big guns ablazing or erecterd pose, is that sexualization too? You know, about the big guns?
Does everything have to have an issue behind every movement, pose whatever? I'm with Counterpunch here.It's not the pose but on what goes on in the mind of the viewer.
william-james88 wrote:Optimizzy wrote:The pose is sexualities because she's a "girl" bot. That's the point. It's not really a big deal, it's just annoying and a telling sign of the carefree sexism that exists in Japanese culture. I don't like to see it in transformers.
And yes, that pose of Airazor is sexist. Like completely.
It's fine for a female character to be sexy, it likely doesn't encapsulate their whole being.
The last pic of the other females fauning over star saber and then this one is telling to the mindset of the photographer.
it makes me cringe when I see it. Like fem-troopers or the 10000th sexy princess Leia drawing. It's old hat.
Ok, I get what your saying. Regardless of what some of us may think and feel, you dislike the probable intention of the person making and publishing the photo, makes sense.
Now, to lighten things up, here's a sexy princess leia cosplay:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:IMO, the whole thing with gender bias and sexualization has more to do with idealization than sexism.
What I mean is, TF's and just about any other fictional characters are manifestations of the idealized human form. Male characters will invariably be either male-model athletic, bodybuilder muscular or intimidating, with the token comic relief character being fat or puny.
In the same sense, females will have the generic slim and agile proportions of athletes or models. The thing is, there are so few female TF's that it seems almost every fembot looks like a pin-up model, except for Strika and Ripclaw. Comparatively, you have tons of male bots with sleek and "physically fit" proportions and only the token DOTM Leadfoot, AOE Hound and TFA/TFP Bulkhead who have fat proportions.
As for the Arcee pose thing, I've seen plenty of female friends lounge on the couch like that.
It's not cute, and it's not innocent...it's natural physiology. It's not submissive or seductive in any way. Seriously, female body language will be somewhat more languid than that of males, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't see how a girl (bot) behaving in a natural way is insulting and sexualized. That's like saying men who walk with a confident stride or sit with their legs apart are sexualizing masculinity.
The only legitimate case of TF female sexualization IMO is Kiss Players.
william-james88 wrote:megatronus wrote:
Not sure if you're trying to de-sexualize Arcee, or over-sexualize that baby, but either way, I'm having none of it.
Neither, just trying to show that a woman posing doesnt have to have sexual conotation, and neither do the words innocent or cute. The sexualization is in one's head. I dont see it.
fenrir72 wrote:Does everything have to have an issue behind every movement, pose whatever? I'm with Counterpunch here.It's not the pose but on what goes on in the mind of the viewer.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Convoy wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:IMO, the whole thing with gender bias and sexualization has more to do with idealization than sexism.
What I mean is, TF's and just about any other fictional characters are manifestations of the idealized human form. Male characters will invariably be either male-model athletic, bodybuilder muscular or intimidating, with the token comic relief character being fat or puny.
In the same sense, females will have the generic slim and agile proportions of athletes or models. The thing is, there are so few female TF's that it seems almost every fembot looks like a pin-up model, except for Strika and Ripclaw. Comparatively, you have tons of male bots with sleek and "physically fit" proportions and only the token DOTM Leadfoot, AOE Hound and TFA/TFP Bulkhead who have fat proportions.
As for the Arcee pose thing, I've seen plenty of female friends lounge on the couch like that.
It's not cute, and it's not innocent...it's natural physiology. It's not submissive or seductive in any way. Seriously, female body language will be somewhat more languid than that of males, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't see how a girl (bot) behaving in a natural way is insulting and sexualized. That's like saying men who walk with a confident stride or sit with their legs apart are sexualizing masculinity.
The only legitimate case of TF female sexualization IMO is Kiss Players.
Well said. I couldn't have put it better myself. Just had to quote to bump.
fenrir72 wrote:Are these guys overcompensating or what? And look at their codpieces...........Megatron's especially. He's got like 2 barrels!![]()
william-james88 wrote:Also, Fenrir, I see you have Overlord as an impossible Dream TF but Liokaiser as a wanted TF. Isnt he more impossible than Overlord? All I'm trying to say is you sure have some great collecting ambition.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Thanks! I usually try to stay away from topics like these, but it seems every single thread that has to do with a fembot comes with a healthy side order of alleged sexism, whether warranted or not.
Desslok2201 wrote:Back to the hands- as long as they hold a gun, who cares?
Convoy wrote:No. Thank you. I can't fault you for wanting to avoid threads like this one. It can be trying and frustrating at times. Without people like you threads like this just become echo chambers.
Convoy wrote:I kinda wish Seibertron would adopt the free and open slashcode but I don't think it has the user base to justify the change.
Convoy wrote:ACK ON TOPIC
Upon further inspection, the hands appear to be a go between the Hasbro open and closed hands. The fingers don't reach yet the hands aren't fully closed.
megatronus wrote:Everything is in the mind of the viewer. But when you have a large constituency seeing it that way, chances are, it's in the mind of the photographer (or whoever posed the thing), too.
Like Optimizzy, I'm not saying it's awful or the worse thing ever (in this instance). It's just there.
Wolfman Jake wrote:megatronus wrote:Everything is in the mind of the viewer. But when you have a large constituency seeing it that way, chances are, it's in the mind of the photographer (or whoever posed the thing), too.
Like Optimizzy, I'm not saying it's awful or the worse thing ever (in this instance). It's just there.
I think your disconent is with your imaginings of the photographer's alleged sexualized ideas (or ideals) of the character, not anything about the picture itself. I'm a gay man, and I have no particular interest in the idealized female form or figure, but yes, I can tell that Arcee, the character, is meant to have sex appeal. However, that pose is ambiguous. I read it as being "fun" or "carefree", and it's not something that only women do either. The mind is a human's most important sexual organ, and I think what a lot of people are doing is projecting their sexual interpretation onto a plastic toy. Yes, that also speaks volumes about the state of sexual inequality in our culture, but this picture of Arcee isn't the problem, it's something systemic, insidiously so, in the way we're taught to think about and interpret other human beings.
shajaki wrote:*no fembots were objectified during this post*
Wolfman Jake wrote:That's not grey plastic on Chromia. It's lavender.
Treetop Maximus wrote:Feels like TakaraTomy just wastes an assload of materials with some of their packaging.
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