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I don't really get why Takara are re-releasing Springer with this new colour scheme. Just because it's a bit more G1-esque? Fair enough, but it's not enough to make me bite. I actually like the yellow chest, breaks it up a bit more. Hasbro's is the clear winner for me.

[Sabrblade]

Am I really the only one digging this repaint? I don't get the "the G1 paint scheme doesn't fit the mold" complaints at all. Honestly, I think a lot of people just don't want to have to rebuy this figure and are justifying sticking with what they have. Not to say that what they have (so long as it's the Hasbro version) isn't good. It was great for the time, but this is just that much better for a "Classics/neoG1" Springer.

It's as I said before. These are 1980's G1 colors applied to the wrong body design. Had this been a different Springer mold altogether, one meant to evoke the original toy or cartoon model more closely, then it would work better. But this is no different than when Takara made Cloud Megatron by putting 1980's G1 Megatron colors on a toy that clearly wasn't meant to be 1980's G1 Megatron in design.

[-Kanrabat-]

Meh, as if putting G1 colors on something that is not is a new thing...

And sometimes, it work really well.











Ect.

[Sabrblade]

Meh, as if putting G1 colors on something that is not is a new thing...

And sometimes, it work really well.

None of those ones are trying to pretend to be something they aren't, though. The context of those examples are pure visual homages. This Springer, however, is giving the original character his original colors in a body that isn't meant to be the body his original colors are meant for.

[-Kanrabat-]

Meh, as if putting G1 colors on something that is not is a new thing...

And sometimes, it work really well.

None of those ones are trying to pretend to be something they aren't, though. The context of those examples are pure visual homages. This Springer, however, is giving the original character his original colors in a body that isn't meant to be the body his original colors are meant for.

I see your point. That's why I see that green Springer only as "hommaging" rather than "pretending". No matter what Takara say.

[Nemesis Maximo]

I'm sure many of you are aware of my feelings for the color yellow, but I'll reiterated them:

I HATE YELLOW.

And with that said, this really kind of appeals to me. I don't have enough green in my Autobot ranks, and it's a pretty shade with some nice other hues and tints thrown in. Maybe, just maybe...

[Wolfman Jake]

Am I really the only one digging this repaint? I don't get the "the G1 paint scheme doesn't fit the mold" complaints at all. Honestly, I think a lot of people just don't want to have to rebuy this figure and are justifying sticking with what they have. Not to say that what they have (so long as it's the Hasbro version) isn't good. It was great for the time, but this is just that much better for a "Classics/neoG1" Springer.

It's as I said before. These are 1980's G1 colors applied to the wrong body design. Had this been a different Springer mold altogether, one meant to evoke the original toy or cartoon model more closely, then it would work better. But this is no different than when Takara made Cloud Megatron by putting 1980's G1 Megatron colors on a toy that clearly wasn't meant to be 1980's G1 Megatron in design.

Then again, what about Generations Blurr? That's not his G1 alt mode or robot body, but I like Hasbro's paint job, which (unusually in most cases) is the one that is much more G1 screen and toy accurate, over Takara's, which is instead comic accurate, and admittedly very pretty with its metallic paint job. I think the perception that G1 colors don't work for a certain mold is more a matter of personal taste than a foregone conclusion. These colors work fine for me with this Springer. "Classics" is for updates of G1 characters, and even with some different alt modes and robot mode silhouettes, getting the colors right is a huge plus to making these characters evoke their original incarnations nonetheless.

[william-james88]

Then again, what about Generations Blurr? That's not his G1 alt mode or robot body, but I like Hasbro's paint job, which (unusually in most cases) is the one that is much more G1 screen and toy accurate, over Takara's, which is instead comic accurate, and admittedly very pretty with its metallic paint job. I think the perception that G1 colors don't work for a certain mold is more a matter of personal taste than a foregone conclusion. These colors work fine for me with this Springer. "Classics" is for updates of G1 characters, and even with some different alt modes and robot mode silhouettes, getting the colors right is a huge plus to making these characters evoke their original incarnations nonetheless.

I hate that blurr, I have no clue why he is liked at all. Firstly, it is odd how such an important character is just a repaint and secondly, a repaint of a toy sporting loads of kibble. It totally takes away from the swift and lean design he should have to inspire speed.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Then again, what about Generations Blurr? That's not his G1 alt mode or robot body, but I like Hasbro's paint job, which (unusually in most cases) is the one that is much more G1 screen and toy accurate, over Takara's, which is instead comic accurate, and admittedly very pretty with its metallic paint job. I think the perception that G1 colors don't work for a certain mold is more a matter of personal taste than a foregone conclusion. These colors work fine for me with this Springer. "Classics" is for updates of G1 characters, and even with some different alt modes and robot mode silhouettes, getting the colors right is a huge plus to making these characters evoke their original incarnations nonetheless.

I hate that blurr, I have no clue why he is liked at all. Firstly, it is odd how such an important character is just a repaint and secondly, a repaint of a toy sporting loads of kibble. It totally takes away from the swift and lean design he should have to inspire speed.

A proper Blurr light on kibble and high on speed and badass-ery is needed

[-Kanrabat-]

A proper Blurr light on kibble and high on speed and badass-ery is needed

For now, fans have to rely on the Animated version for their "speedy" Blurr fix.



I don't really care for that toy so I sold mine a good while ago.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

My friend Chaosalphaandomega on Seibertron.com found an image of the Legends Decepticon feme's box art:

Thanks Chaosalphaandomega you rock!

I'm sure many of you are aware of my feelings for the color yellow, but I'll reiterated them:

I HATE YELLOW.

And with that said, this really kind of appeals to me. I don't have enough green in my Autobot ranks, and it's a pretty shade with some nice other hues and tints thrown in. Maybe, just maybe...

Personally, I like the Hasbro version of Springer better.

[Sarahthecutevixen]

My friend here on Seibertron.com found an image of the Legends Decepticon feme's box art:

Thanks bro you rock!

Eyy It's no problem, I'm surprised no one mentioned it here,

[fenrir72]

Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

[Sabrblade]

Then again, what about Generations Blurr?

That's a bit of a different case. Generations Blurr was an attempt to make a toy of IDW Blurr without having to make a new mold for him (kinda like what Fun Pub did for TFSS Chromedome). They took the Drift mold which had a similar kind of shoulder kibble that swings back like in Guido Guidi's design for IDW Blurr:




Now, one might notice the Cybertronian altmode seen above and point that out as an example of the toy going against comic accuracy. Well, on Cybertron, he did have that form. But on Earth during the 2009-2011 ongoing, he was given an Earth altmode (barring any erroneous reappearances of his Cybertronian altmode), which the Drift mold was close enough to approximate within Hasbro's budget:



As far as the deco differences between the Hasbro and Takara versions of Blurr are concerned, it seems that both decos are a similar case to that of the recent Leader class Ultra Magnus. Both Hasbro and Takara seem to have been trying for comic-accuracy, but in different ways and ideas. For Hasbro, it looks as though they were using a much more conservative budget for the figure that enabled them to achieve a more rudimentary level of comic-accuracy, while Takara (being more collector-oriented) seemingly had a higher budget that allowed them to go for even more comic-accuracy that Hasbro, getting more of the finer details colored in and colored properly.

And for Blurr, unlike Springer, his IDW character already had a color layout that was much closer to that of his 1980's media counterpart than IDW Springer's was to 1980's media Springer's. So if either Hasbro or Takara had instead decided to color the IDW-based Blurr more faithfully to the Blurr of the 1980's media, the result wouldn't look as jarring as this new Springer does with most of his yellow being replaced with green.

[Wolfman Jake]

And for Blurr, unlike Springer, his IDW character already had a color layout that was much closer to that of his 1980's media counterpart than IDW Springer's was to 1980's media Springer's. So if either Hasbro or Takara had instead decided to color the IDW-based Blurr more faithfully to the Blurr of the 1980's media, the result wouldn't look as jarring as this new Springer does with most of his yellow being replaced with green.

I don't think Hasbro was going for comic accuracy with Generations Blurr, though. Look at some of the touches that the Hasbro version has compared to the Takara version (which looks much more like his IDW color layout). The Hasbro version has hues of blue strategically placed on the robot mode to better approximate where those colors were on the G1 animation model. Also, look at little details like the white painted section on the car roof of the Hasbro version and compare it to Blurr's G1 cartoon alt mode. That's part of why I like the Hasbro version of Blurr better than the Takara version, which itself looks fantastic with those metallic blues. The Hasbro one does a good job of evoking the G1 character model with a robot mode that has almost a completely different silhouette. I feel the same way about this new Takara Legends Springer as I do about Hasbro's Generations Blurr. I think what's "jarring" to you is that you know the model is based on the IDW look, so you want the IDW colors. Anything else looks "wrong." I don't have those same preconceptions about the figure. It's a matter of taste.

[Hellscream9999]

Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

Is the plastic quality that much better than hasbro's?

I've seriously been looking for yet more reasons to get him, and between this and the paint apps, I might cave and slaughter my poor wallet, but $70 is still a bit much, but for paint, plastic and qc, I suppose I could justify it

[Wolfman Jake]

Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

Is the plastic quality that much better than hasbro's?

I've seriously been looking for yet more reasons to get him, and between this and the paint apps, I might cave and slaughter my poor wallet, but $70 is still a bit much, but for paint, plastic and qc, I suppose I could justify it

I think fenrir72 was talking about the plastic colors. The plastic quality and QC are almost definitely the same. It's a myth that Takara somehow uses different materials than Hasbro. Their releases are made in the exact same factories. It's a difference of choice of plastic colors and paint applications, not physical production.

[Sabrblade]

I don't think Hasbro was going for comic accuracy with Generations Blurr, though.

If the Takara version never existed would you still think the same? Hasbro made the figure first and it is unambiguously meant be IDW comic Blurr. Takara just did a better attempt in the color department than Hasbro did because Takara has proven time and again to be able to do better in that department than Hasbro.

The Hasbro version has hues of blue strategically placed on the robot mode to better approximate where those colors were on the G1 animation model.

Not... really:

[fenrir72]

Ryan's recent images of UM does justice to the actual thing. Just opened UM and compared to the plastic used on the domestic version this icon best sums this up

Amazing job TT. Also, the policeman goggles on UM translates better here.

Is the plastic quality that much better than hasbro's?

I've seriously been looking for yet more reasons to get him, and between this and the paint apps, I might cave and slaughter my poor wallet, but $70 is still a bit much, but for paint, plastic and qc, I suppose I could justify it

I think fenrir72 was talking about the plastic colors. The plastic quality and QC are almost definitely the same. It's a myth that Takara somehow uses different materials than Hasbro. Their releases are made in the exact same factories. It's a difference of choice of plastic colors and paint applications, not physical production.

That shiny silver specked flake effect on the plastic is a sight to behold.. Kind of like the one used on GodMagnus in CarRobots. You've got to see it to believe it. Even high res images can't compare to the real thing.

I am not in a position to say if the plastic used is much superior, I'll leave that to the chemical experts around here but yes, in presentation, TT has that something "X"-tra.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

My friend Chaosalphaandomega here on Seibertron.com found an image of the Legends Decepticon feme's box art:

Thanks bro you rock!

Eyy It's no problem, I'm surprised no one mentioned it here,

Even now, everyone else in the thread seems to be ignoring it!

The only one of those legends chicks that I'm actually really interested in, is Slipstream. The only figure I'm 99.99% sure I'm getting is UW Devastator though, cuz after that, I got Masterpieces to save up for. I hope I can get Slipstream though.

[william-james88]

Even now, everyone else in the thread seems to be ignoring it!

Well there isnt much to go on. Half of it isnt new and the other half is mostly obscured and small. As the end of the month draws ear, TF Yuki will give way better photos of these boxes and there will be more worth talking about.

[Evil Eye]

...And predictably, the same old people will complain about Yuki's sense of humour.

[fenrir72]

...And predictably, the same old people will complain about Yuki's sense of humour.

Oh BURNED! I recall the sl@g when he first posted those PollyAnna poses of Arcee a few months ago.

[william-james88]

...And predictably, the same old people will complain about Yuki's sense of humour.

Oh BURNED! I recall the sl@g when he first posted those PollyAnna poses of Arcee a few months ago.

I had to look up pollyanna. I am surprised she is known all the way to singapore, that reference was a deep cut from american culture, even I didnt know who she was until just now.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Even now, everyone else in the thread seems to be ignoring it!

Well there isnt much to go on. Half of it isnt new and the other half is mostly obscured and small. As the end of the month draws ear, TF Yuki will give way better photos of these boxes and there will be more worth talking about.

Alright, I thought all first images that revealed the box art would be featured in the news, if it at least visible. I can see the pictures on the sides of the boxes pretty well.