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[Cyberpath]

Definitely too expansive. I will wait for the Japanese pre-order prices and then think it over.

The Starscream props are completely unnecessary IMO. Stick to the must-have pieces, Takara.

We can already guess what they will be. Preorder prices will be between 35,000 and 40,000. Would you go for that?

Will have to think about it. Maybe sell the Takara version of MP-10, even though the colours are really nice. No point, I guess, in having MP-44 and two MP-tens.

[Nemesis Maximo]

Optimus Prime didn't need re-doing

I disagree there. The previous Masterpiece Optimus Prime toys looked out of place when put up against Megatron, Shockwave or Sunstreaker. I'll agree that MP-10 is an excellent toy, but its no longer in keeping with what Takara are going for and since Prime\Convoy is the posterboy of the entire franchise, it would be odd to keep the old aesthetic going on.

I don't like it, but I agree, MP-10 does look out of place now. But I'm also not a fan of the new MP aesthetic.

Sometimes, stuff is too expensive. Full stop. Nothing else to it, just plain costs too much. I feel like this is one of those times.

I also agree with this. It just continues to march on with a bad precedent.

The Starscream props are completely unnecessary IMO. Stick to the must-have pieces, Takara.

That also seems to be the new deal, just tossing random **** in a box. Do we really need to re-enact every one off scene from the show?

Yes?

Or perhaps:

No, but aren’t the accessories fun? My only gripe with MP-36 is that there’s only two battle-damage parts to swap out.

I’m not trying to justify the price, mind you. Just the accessories.

[no-one]

No, but aren’t the accessories fun?

Yes, but I leave 99% in the box or stored away (including weapons). So YMMV.

My only gripe with MP-36 is that there’s only two battle-damage parts to swap out.

I agree, if you're going to do battle damage swap out parts, go all in or don't bother. It looks weird when it's just a few parts or just a random swath of paint (looking at you Siege and beating a dead horse).

[Cyberpath]

I like accessories that can be reused several times. And Starscream masquerading as Prime was a one-time incident in the cartoon (even if each time it was shown it was an original piece of animation.)

Shockwave's mini-me gun was also a one-time thing, but it's a gun, he can use it all the time. What are fans supposed to do with the Starscream stuff? Apply them once, take a picture and then what? You know what I mean?

If these obscure props increase the price significantly then I say leave them out, if not, sure, throw them in. Who knows, maybe the Starscream head is compatible with MP-11. Although that has grown on me from some angles. Particularly when you push it forward and lean it to the side.

Re: Megatron's battle damage parts -- I think Takara's done a great job. I don't know how they could have incorporated more, being that MP Megatron is made up of a gazillion moving parts.

[chuckdawg1999]

I'll have to wait and see what Amazon Japan does. This might be the only figure I pay cash for next year.

[Amelie]

I agree with Cyberpath on the accessories front. It really needs to be stuff used often, or be very iconic. I certainly don't think of that Megatron's Master Plan scene when I think of Optimus Prime. Things I do think of, though are

- The Energon Axe
- His Rifle
- His Trailer\Combat Deck
- Roller
- Matrix
- Megatron Pistol

Other thoughts

- His two different heads between the early episodes and later ones
- Battle damage

Also... the jetpack. That should have been with Sideswipe, with it being designed in a way that meant Optimus Prime could use it. I could understand if they're doing the Dinobot Island jetpack, though.

[kiwijinxter]

As much as my favourite Transformer will always be the G1 Optimus Prime, I can't bring myself to spend USD$400+ on as Masterpiece. I've got my 2 all time favourite Masterpieces (MP-10 Optimus Prime and MP-36 Megatron, amongst others) so I'd now widen to different varieties e.g. MPM-6 Ironhide. Gee, USD$400+ that's a killer, even for adult enthusiasts...

My all time favourite Transformers Masterpiece MP-10 Optimus Prime

My other all time favourite Transformers Masterpiece MP-36 Megatron

[DeadCaL]

Hopefully they'll just release Prime on his own. Otherwise my Meggy is gonna be all lonesome.

[Cyberpath]

As with Megatron's gun-form stock extension, I wonder if Prime's trailer also serves as a specialised flight-stand. He's clearly too big for the standard Takara one. And with the jetpack on his back.
They haven't even showed stock photos yet.

[blueridgefox]

Hi everybody, first time poster, longtime fan...

Wow, while I was excited to hear about the update to the mold, this price point is waaaaaaayyyyyyyy to preposterous for me to even consider. This is more than double what the MP10 was at launch... At this point, I would rather them not make it than to offer it to us at such an absurd cost. I have a few concerns, chief among them is the establishment of a precedence that they can keep raising prices and we'll just keep forking over the money. I realize that there will be some people who will be able to rationalize this expense and some already have but I hope this blows up in Takara's face. I couldn't care less about all the accessories that this will come with, just more crap to keep up with or lose, misplace, etc... The recent reveals, Beast Wars Megatron - $319, even MP36 was the first to break the $200 mark - people bitched and moaned about that then. I see this upward trend in new official releases with their MSRP gradually climbing then jumping to almost double what they were just a few years ago. MP10 was around $180 MSRP for years, he came with a trailer, roller, spike, matrix, axe and blaster - more than half of the new accessories of this new MP44. Another concern is that Takara is pushing their fans further and further into knock-off territory with each reveal and preorder.

The market will bear whatever people are willing to pay, so I say don't pre-order this - yet... Lets see if the price mysteriously drops or they can trim some of the extra accessories that nobody asked for or better yet, put those in an add on pack or something...

[ScottyP]

The Starscream props are completely unnecessary IMO. Stick to the must-have pieces, Takara.

That also seems to be the new deal, just tossing random **** in a box. Do we really need to re-enact every one off scene from the show?

If the accessories meant that this would be the end-all-be-all (at least for more than ~8 years this time) Optimus Prime then I'd be inclined to say the more the merrier. Go ultra obscure, ".5 seconds of screentime Star Wars cantina background character" level stupid with it.

But it doesn't, and it won't.

[no-one]

The Starscream props are completely unnecessary IMO. Stick to the must-have pieces, Takara.

That also seems to be the new deal, just tossing random **** in a box. Do we really need to re-enact every one off scene from the show?

If the accessories meant that this would be the end-all-be-all (at least for more than ~8 years this time) Optimus Prime then I'd be inclined to say the more the merrier. Go ultra obscure, ".5 seconds of screentime Star Wars cantina background character" level stupid with it.

But it doesn't, and it won't.

Yeah, that's something I've come to realize as of late across all lines, I/we will never catch that damn purple dragon

[Aimless Misfire]

but what were you expecting price-wise? $100? $200? Given the amount of plastic alone, we should have expected a much higher price than MP-43.

This is how collectors justify any insane price. It comes with a lot of tiny plastic accessories that don't necessitate that ridiculous price.

Look at the amount of plastic & size of these. And look how much cheaper they are.

https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=Power%20Wheels


Dumbass collectors paid the stupid prices Takara charged for the Diaclone Reboot line & now it has been passed along to Transformers.

They're going to keep pushing the prices up as long as idiots pay it. In a year or two they'll be up to $950. If I were Takara I would do the same thing. Keep raising the prices just to see how high the morons are willing to go.

[Cobotron]

* Looks at his kick ass Diaclone reboot collection*

Ooooooh right! I guess it's my fault.

Sorry gang! My bad.

[Blackstreak]

No thanks. I'll stay w/ my MP-10.

[Nemesis Maximo]

* Looks at his kick ass Diaclone reboot collection*

Ooooooh right! I guess it's my fault.

Sorry gang! My bad.

Dammit Cob, how dare you buy those cool toys!!!

[kiwijinxter]

Here's an alternative that is any bit as good as Masterpieces, given Takara Tomy's crazy high price for the MP-44.... Unique Toys UT R-02 Challenger (aka Knight Optimus Prime)... Unique Toys made the highly genius UT R-01 Peru Kill (aka Lockdown). See pics below...

[Cyberpath]

I think this release is so expansive because it will sell. I don't know if people here will buy it, I don't know if I'll buy it, but it will sell. Because this is arguably the most poplar Transformer in his most popular incarnation.

And the toy-inspired "Plus" version will follow, as will the black redeco.


Now here's some MP-10 vs MP-36 till then..

[no-one]

* Looks at his kick ass Diaclone reboot collection*

Ooooooh right! I guess it's my fault.

Sorry gang! My bad.

Ruined forever, thanks ****

[Sarahthecutevixen]

I will stick with my SG Mp10 and Leader POTP Optimus,

[Sabrblade]

$449.99

Egad, you could buy enough lumber to build a clubhouse with that kind of money.

Or so Stymie and Spanky of The Little Rascals tell me.

[Burn]

Dumbass collectors

Is there any reason for this? No, there isn't. Considering some of those people you're labelling dumbasses are actually your fellow forum members.

Here's an alternative that is any bit as good as Masterpieces, given Takara Tomy's crazy high price for the MP-44.... Unique Toys UT R-02 Challenger (aka Knight Optimus Prime)...

I wasn't sure whether to approve your first post or not given how it was more off-topic than on-topic. FYI, we try to limit discussion of non-licensed TF's to the 3P Forums.

[shajaki]

You know how I spent my morning? Pricing out some giant 3P MP figures (Omega Supreme) that were CHEAPER than this new thing. Sorry Burn about the 3P off-topic'ing. But it really puts the price into perspective.

When these MP prices started causing concern (I'd say with V2 Megs, Dinobot, and BW Megs) my feelings were "damn.... tough pill but still doable". This guy though.... might be the final straw. Because for a guy like me, it's not just MP-44. It'll be MP-44B, and MP-44SG, and MP-44 BAPE, and MP-44 Ghost-Busters edition, and so on. I knew a new Prime mold would mean another slew of repaints, but that cost makes me question the future of my MP collecting

[The Lonely Cracker]

Are you having a f*cking giggle Hasbro?

[ZeroWolf]

Are you having a f*cking giggle Hasbro?

It would be very brave of Hasbro to charge this much with a domestic release, but as it stands, this is all Takara.