The Energon Pub

[shajaki]

Oh I know. But all along from the very first combiner announced (superion), the reason for me to choose between Takara and Hasbro was based on how good the team looks together. This is beyond any nostalgia or need for likeness to the show. I preferred all jets for Superion because it worked better for the theme. I liked all different molds for Menasor because that team seemed to look better the more eclectic it was. And in the case of Defensor, I really like the rescue theme it has with the red white and blue. I would have preffered having that Groove instead of Rook but at least Rook fits the colour theme beautifully. Not sure if all the white is the same from figure to figure on the Hasbro version but I hope it is. That grey on Streetwise clashes too much for me.

Could always toss Hasbro's SS on there instead

[william-james88]

Oh I know. But all along from the very first combiner announced (superion), the reason for me to choose between Takara and Hasbro was based on how good the team looks together. This is beyond any nostalgia or need for likeness to the show. I preferred all jets for Superion because it worked better for the theme. I liked all different molds for Menasor because that team seemed to look better the more eclectic it was. And in the case of Defensor, I really like the rescue theme it has with the red white and blue. I would have preffered having that Groove instead of Rook but at least Rook fits the colour theme beautifully. Not sure if all the white is the same from figure to figure on the Hasbro version but I hope it is. That grey on Streetwise clashes too much for me.

Could always toss Hasbro's SS on there instead

Ha! You know, part of my reasoning is always due to me wanting to limit my budget. So I find true and valid reasons (only to me of course) for not getting some toys. And then there is you with this PERFECT solution. Smart man, Shajaki, but that just means I have to find more reasons not to listen

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Eh, I'm still good with Hasbros Defensor and Protectobots. They still work well for me and I'm perfectly happy with a legends Groove.

[Nemesis Maximo]

I hope Hasbro finds a reason to use that Groove mold. Because the robot mode is badass.

[Sabrblade]

Am I the only one that sees the hypocrisy in Hasbro ditching Groove "because scale", while simultaneously including a baby helicopter for ants?

To a child, motorcycles are likely viewed as being in a different, smaller league than cars, trucks, helicopters, jets, planes, etc., while all of the latter are probably not as often or as starkly distinguished by children with them all being considered "big things", as opposed to motorcycles being "littler things".

Hasbro's likely going by this kid-based logic.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I hope Hasbro finds a reason to use that Groove mold. Because the robot mode is badass.

This is when I hope that Computron, considering the cybertronian vehicle modes, will use the mold. scale doesn't matter at all in cybertronian forms

[Seibertron]

i love seeing adults trying to argue whether or not kids want things in scale or not. My 2 cents? Kids don't give a damn. That's what imagination is for. I don't ever recall thinking about scale when I was a kid except bigger Transformers were stronger or were the leaders. Perceptor and Soundwave were my respective leaders until Ultra Magnus with dead Optimus Prime and Galvatron came along. And Devastator was strongest because he was biggest in my childhood collection. Scale be damned.

[Hellscream9999]

i love seeing adults trying to argue whether or not kids want things in scale or not. My 2 cents? Kids don't give a damn. That's what imagination is for. I don't ever recall thinking about scale when I was a kid except bigger Transformers were stronger or were the leaders. Perceptor and Soundwave were my respective leaders until Ultra Magnus with dead Optimus Prime and Galvatron came along. And Devastator was strongest because he was biggest in my childhood collection. Scale be damned.

Well, I mean, I did; It didn't really bother me, because I was used to stuff doing weird things with scale (beast wars kibble shrinking, G1 - all of it, and even stuff like Samus' morph ball) but while I thought it was weird, I got over it because:combiners. They are the best thing ever to me, and I am glad we have both of these lines so that everyone can be satisfied.

[jay5]

Kids are aware of scale too, it's just a lot further down their priority list than it might be for adults.

[fenrir72]

i love seeing adults trying to argue whether or not kids want things in scale or not. My 2 cents? Kids don't give a damn. That's what imagination is for. I don't ever recall thinking about scale when I was a kid except bigger Transformers were stronger or were the leaders. Perceptor and Soundwave were my respective leaders until Ultra Magnus with dead Optimus Prime and Galvatron came along. And Devastator was strongest because he was biggest in my childhood collection. Scale be damned.

You know Ryan, so called "adults" are the mosst "kiddy" when it come to postulating silly opinions.
Scale concerns while disregarding the concept of alien mechanical lifeforms that transform to both vehicles and bipedal humanoid forms at a blink of an eye.

[munkimus prime]

Screw scale I like toys.

[Tigertrack]

Size matters not; judge me by size do you?

As well you should not, for mass-shifting is my ally, and a powerful ally it is... Or something like that.

i love seeing adults trying to argue whether or not kids want things in scale or not. My 2 cents? Kids don't give a damn. That's what imagination is for. I don't ever recall thinking about scale when I was a kid except bigger Transformers were stronger or were the leaders. Perceptor and Soundwave were my respective leaders until Ultra Magnus with dead Optimus Prime and Galvatron came along. And Devastator was strongest because he was biggest in my childhood collection. Scale be damned.

Yes sir! Preach!

Screw scale I like toys.

As do I.

I'm really liking how this set looks. Looking at Hot Spot's fire truck mode, makes me thinking racing fire truck. Anyway, I love the grey Streetwise, the white always looked a little wrong to my G1 eye, but I still like it too. Just like the grey more!

[Gearslide]

Seeing Takara's Groove in detail, I feel like if the next two Scramble City Combiners are Abominus and Computron, that Abominus will be all new molds (excluding retools among members, like with the Aerialbots), and Computron will be all retools/repaint of older molds.

For instance:

-Scattershot could be retooled from the Silverbolt or Cyclonus molds.
-Afterburner could be retooled/repainted from the Groove mold.
-Lightspeed could be retooled/repainted from the Breakdown or Dead End molds.
-Nosecone could be retooled from the Brawl mold.
-Strafe could be retooled from an Aerialbot (OR if Takara actually makes their own Space Shuttle Blast Off) mold.

The reason I'm thinking this is because when HasTak make a new mold, they usually plan it to have multiple repaints/retools in order to maximize efficiency from the mold. And with the new reveals, there's a couple molds that don't have second uses planned/shown yet (Brawl and Groove being the main culprits, and again, if Takara has a different mold for Blast Off).

The Terrorcons, on the other hand, don't really work with any of the current Combiner Wars molds, being monsters. I imagine they'll be all new molds, with POSSIBLY Rippersnapper and Blot (Blight? Bloght? Blut? Blip?) being retools of each other (being they are kind of similar in design in monster mode). And then, Piranacon and/or Monstructor could have retools of the Terrorcons in their teams, since they also feature beastial/monster modes.

[Hellscream9999]

Seeing Takara's Groove in detail, I feel like if the next two Scramble City Combiners are Abominus and Computron, that Abominus will be all new molds (excluding retools among members, like with the Aerialbots), and Computron will be all retools/repaint of older molds.

For instance:

-Scattershot could be retooled from the Silverbolt or Cyclonus molds.
-Afterburner could be retooled/repainted from the Groove mold.
-Lightspeed could be retooled/repainted from the Breakdown or Dead End molds.
-Nosecone could be retooled/repainted from the Brawl mold.
-Strafe could be retooled from an Aerialbot (OR if Takara actually makes their own Space Shuttle Blast Off) mold.

The reason I'm thinking this is because when HasTak make a new mold, they usually plan it to have multiple repaints/retools in order to maximize efficiency from the mold. And with the new reveals, there's a couple molds that don't have second uses planned/shown yet (Brawl and Groove being the main culprits, and again, if Takara has a different mold for Blast Off).

The Terrorcons, on the other hand, don't really work with any of the current Combiner Wars molds, being monsters. I imagine they'll be all new molds, with POSSIBLY Rippernapper and Blot (Blight? Bloght? Blut?) being retools of each other (being they are kind of similar in design in monster mode). And then, Piranacon and/or Monstructor could have retools of the Terrorcons in their teams, since they also feature beastial/monster modes.

Sorry, there is a 99.9% chance that it will be Computron and Victorion. Has/tak don't seem to be into making entirely new molds, despite what I've said about the ease of converting certain molds into animals, beast combiners just aren't happening in all likelyhood. Combiner wars is ending after next year, then it'll be back to the regularly scheduled generations stuff (with combiners possibly interspersed throughout the future)

Sorry to possibly ruin your evening.

[Ultra Markus]

i don't care who does what i don't care about scale because these are toys and transformers never really had any scale anyway! i just care if i can get that deluxe groove

[Gearslide]

Sorry, there is a 99.9% chance that it will be Computron and Victorion. Has/tak don't seem to be into making entirely new molds, despite what I've said about the ease of converting certain molds into animals, beast combiners just aren't happening in all likelyhood. Combiner wars is ending after next year, then it'll be back to the regularly scheduled generations stuff (with combiners possibly interspersed throughout the future)

Sorry to possibly ruin your evening.

I said Scramble City Combiners, meaning the G1 teams, and excluding newer "filler" combiners like Optimus Maximus, Galvatronus, and Victorion. Since we have 2/3 of the G1 rivalries (Superion and Menasor, Defensor and Bruticus), I was specifically talking about the next pair of rivals, not necessarily the next combiners to be released.

[william-james88]

Sorry, there is a 99.9% chance that it will be Computron and Victorion. Has/tak don't seem to be into making entirely new molds, despite what I've said about the ease of converting certain molds into animals, beast combiners just aren't happening in all likelyhood. Combiner wars is ending after next year, then it'll be back to the regularly scheduled generations stuff (with combiners possibly interspersed throughout the future)

Sorry to possibly ruin your evening.

I said Scramble City Combiners, meaning the G1 teams, and excluding newer "filler" combiners like Optimus Maximus, Galvatronus, and Victorion. Since we have 2/3 of the G1 rivalries (Superion and Menasor, Defensor and Bruticus), I was specifically talking about the next pair of rivals, not necessarily the next combiners to be released.

Are there other combiner rivals? Who is Computron's nemesis? Abominus? That purple griffon IS a rival of the aerialbots so he might be coming afterall

[Gearslide]

Sorry, there is a 99.9% chance that it will be Computron and Victorion. Has/tak don't seem to be into making entirely new molds, despite what I've said about the ease of converting certain molds into animals, beast combiners just aren't happening in all likelyhood. Combiner wars is ending after next year, then it'll be back to the regularly scheduled generations stuff (with combiners possibly interspersed throughout the future)

Sorry to possibly ruin your evening.

I said Scramble City Combiners, meaning the G1 teams, and excluding newer "filler" combiners like Optimus Maximus, Galvatronus, and Victorion. Since we have 2/3 of the G1 rivalries (Superion and Menasor, Defensor and Bruticus), I was specifically talking about the next pair of rivals, not necessarily the next combiners to be released.

Are there other combiner rivals? Who is Computron's nemesis? Abominus? That purple griffon IS a rival of the aerialbots so he might be coming afterall

I was under the impression that Computron and Abominus were rivals, yes. And Superion seems to have moved past the Purple Griffon, unfortunately.

Although with Sky Lynx being a combiner now, the Griffon may actually have a weird place as HIS rival. Actually, now I want a retool of Sky Lynx into the Purple Griffon.

[Shuttershock]

Sorry, there is a 99.9% chance that it will be Computron and Victorion. Has/tak don't seem to be into making entirely new molds, despite what I've said about the ease of converting certain molds into animals, beast combiners just aren't happening in all likelyhood. Combiner wars is ending after next year, then it'll be back to the regularly scheduled generations stuff (with combiners possibly interspersed throughout the future)

Sorry to possibly ruin your evening.

I said Scramble City Combiners, meaning the G1 teams, and excluding newer "filler" combiners like Optimus Maximus, Galvatronus, and Victorion. Since we have 2/3 of the G1 rivalries (Superion and Menasor, Defensor and Bruticus), I was specifically talking about the next pair of rivals, not necessarily the next combiners to be released.

Are there other combiner rivals? Who is Computron's nemesis? Abominus? That purple griffon IS a rival of the aerialbots so he might be coming afterall

I was under the impression that Computron and Abominus were rivals, yes. And Superion seems to have moved past the Purple Griffon, unfortunately.

Although with Sky Lynx being a combiner now, the Griffon may actually have a weird place as HIS rival. Actually, now I want a retool of Sky Lynx into the Purple Griffon.

Since they came out roughly the same time and did battle with each other, I assumed the Predacons/Predaking were Sky Lynx's rivals.

[Gearslide]

Sorry, there is a 99.9% chance that it will be Computron and Victorion. Has/tak don't seem to be into making entirely new molds, despite what I've said about the ease of converting certain molds into animals, beast combiners just aren't happening in all likelyhood. Combiner wars is ending after next year, then it'll be back to the regularly scheduled generations stuff (with combiners possibly interspersed throughout the future)

Sorry to possibly ruin your evening.

I said Scramble City Combiners, meaning the G1 teams, and excluding newer "filler" combiners like Optimus Maximus, Galvatronus, and Victorion. Since we have 2/3 of the G1 rivalries (Superion and Menasor, Defensor and Bruticus), I was specifically talking about the next pair of rivals, not necessarily the next combiners to be released.

Are there other combiner rivals? Who is Computron's nemesis? Abominus? That purple griffon IS a rival of the aerialbots so he might be coming afterall

I was under the impression that Computron and Abominus were rivals, yes. And Superion seems to have moved past the Purple Griffon, unfortunately.

Although with Sky Lynx being a combiner now, the Griffon may actually have a weird place as HIS rival. Actually, now I want a retool of Sky Lynx into the Purple Griffon.

Since they came out roughly the same time and did battle with each other, I assumed the Predacons/Predaking were Sky Lynx's rivals.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. It was similar to how Devastator and Omega Supreme usually were the answer to each other.

[Hellscream9999]

Sorry, there is a 99.9% chance that it will be Computron and Victorion. Has/tak don't seem to be into making entirely new molds, despite what I've said about the ease of converting certain molds into animals, beast combiners just aren't happening in all likelyhood. Combiner wars is ending after next year, then it'll be back to the regularly scheduled generations stuff (with combiners possibly interspersed throughout the future)

Sorry to possibly ruin your evening.

I said Scramble City Combiners, meaning the G1 teams, and excluding newer "filler" combiners like Optimus Maximus, Galvatronus, and Victorion. Since we have 2/3 of the G1 rivalries (Superion and Menasor, Defensor and Bruticus), I was specifically talking about the next pair of rivals, not necessarily the next combiners to be released.

Are there other combiner rivals? Who is Computron's nemesis? Abominus? That purple griffon IS a rival of the aerialbots so he might be coming afterall

"Scramble city" is the moniker of the system at use here, irregardless of where it came from, or what nostalgia it might hold, in the absence of a term, that I know of, it is Scrambel city. Also there was no mention of rivals in your original statement, technically all these combiners G1 or otherwise are scramble city too, just is a different scale. I was basing mine around engineering and facts that we already have.

1) wholly new animal modes would be too expensive at this point is has/taks re-shelling strategy. (I could be wrong, until proven otherwise I maintain that this is the most logical conclusion)

2) we know bruticus and sky reign are up next, and if hasbro keeps a similar amount of figures for next year, there are two slots remaining. IF victorion is a regular retail release that would (most likely) be wave 3 next year, then that leaves computron (from the, apparently very, reliable toys-r-us computers) for wave 4.

3) this series was NEVER based on G1 rivalries, it was designed to fall in line with some comic series and made to be extremely efficient at designing large numbers of figures, ergo, the re-shelling. This is technically IDW cannon, I believe, adnd therefore 30 year old rivalries hold no basis of logic against all that I've said.

This does not mean that we will never see them after combiner wars is over; I specifically wrote about how easy it would be to design a set of animals with easily re-designed parts, I just don't think it will happen amidst all these vehicles, and that we have already seen 4 of the 4 teams next year. While MAYBE victorion could be a 'wave 5' set, I severely doubt it, as it would entail hasbro engineering and releasing a 5 wave, which would be very costly.

So once again, I am sorry to have ruined anyone's evening. It's not that I wanted to, but I felt the need to point this out, so people don't get their hopes up

[Deadput]

Since they came out roughly the same time and did battle with each other, I assumed the Predacons/Predaking were Sky Lynx's rivals.

That's what the Cartoon seemed to imply.


They are animal based robots anyways so it makes sense.



Also seems like the two were switched factions in early development (look at their pages on TFwiki for more information its in the notes section)

[william-james88]

"Scramble city" is the moniker of the system at use here, irregardless of where it came from, or what nostalgia it might hold, in the absence of a term, that I know of, it is Scrambel city. Also there was no mention of rivals in your original statement, technically all these combiners G1 or otherwise are scramble city too, just is a different scale. I was basing mine around engineering and facts that we already have.

1) wholly new animal modes would be too expensive at this point is has/taks re-shelling strategy. (I could be wrong, until proven otherwise I maintain that this is the most logical conclusion)

2) we know bruticus and sky reign are up next, and if hasbro keeps a similar amount of figures for next year, there are two slots remaining. IF victorion is a regular retail release that would (most likely) be wave 3 next year, then that leaves computron (from the, apparently very, reliable toys-r-us computers) for wave 4.

3) this series was NEVER based on G1 rivalries, it was designed to fall in line with some comic series and made to be extremely efficient at designing large numbers of figures, ergo, the re-shelling. This is technically IDW cannon, I believe, adnd therefore 30 year old rivalries hold no basis of logic against all that I've said.

This does not mean that we will never see them after combiner wars is over; I specifically wrote about how easy it would be to design a set of animals with easily re-designed parts, I just don't think it will happen amidst all these vehicles, and that we have already seen 4 of the 4 teams next year. While MAYBE victorion could be a 'wave 5' set, I severely doubt it, as it would entail hasbro engineering and releasing a 5 wave, which would be very costly.

So once again, I am sorry to have ruined anyone's evening. It's not that I wanted to, but I felt the need to point this out, so people don't get their hopes up

You havent ruined anything because you are half right. You are writing this in the Takara thread and there lies the problem. The Hasbro COmbiner Wars is linked to the comics but Takara's United Warriors isnt. At all. To the point that there is no alpha bravo. Takara's take on these is the utmost attention to G1 to the point where it might clash in colour scheme and scale (like Defensor). So all this talk of victorion and who's next doesnt really work here since these are two seperate lines with seperate toys and seperate ideologies.

[Hellscream9999]

You havent ruined anything because you are half right. You are writing this in the Takara thread and there lies the problem. The Hasbro COmbiner Wars is linked to the comics but Takara's United Warriors isnt. At all. To the point that there is no alpha bravo. Takara's take on these is the utmost attention to G1 to the point where it might clash in colour scheme and scale (like Defensor). So all this talk of victorion and who's next doesnt really work here since these are two seperate lines with seperate toys and seperate ideologies.

Fair enough, while I don't think he was phrasing it correctly (from the standpoint of hasbro vs tt, he seemed to be leaning towards hasbro from reading it, but fair enough) I still don't know if tt would engineer a whole set of new molds unless hasbro is planning on using them in the future. Up until now tt has used all the molds hasbro has released (case in point the optimus supreme thing) therefore it should be logical to assume that they, too, will use skyreign and victorion along with bruticus and computron. While they have so far skipped cyclonus, that does not imply that they will skip two whole teams; but as they are only releasing them as boxed sets, it is possible that could end up happening, or that they swap out two teams (victorion and skyreign) for two other teams (abominus and someone else) (but I really, really, really, REALLY don't see that happening. ) TT has to either ignore them, swap them, release them, or induct them into some canon

[william-james88]

Up until now tt has used all the molds hasbro has released (case in point the optimus supreme thing) therefore it should be logical to assume that they, too, will use skyreign and victorion along with bruticus and computron.

I would stop assuming, especially when that statement is not correct. Takara's deluxe Groove is an exclusive Takara mold. They will not be using Rook and the Hasbro legends groove is not part of this line (it has been redeco'd and will be part of the TAv ine with the robots in disguise toys). Also, their devastator features changes to the mold and new accessories. It is really best we look at these as different lines and not assume one from the other. Speculate, sure, be my guest, its fun. But assuming is a different thing all together.