The Energon Pub

[ZeroWolf]

Mt memory is weird, there is some things I struggle to remember or forget completely but little things like conversations from a cartoon series I have no problem recalling.

[BumbleDouche]

Mt memory is weird, there is some things I struggle to remember or forget completely but little things like conversations from a cartoon series I have no problem recalling.

It's funny you should mention that, I've always experienced a very selective memory... While it was useful at school & got me through university, I'm now reaching the stage where "useful information" is being lost in preference to remembering every line of dialogue from Transformers: The Movie. But if all it takes is "a cursory evaluation of Decepticon capabilities" to indicate a "distinct tactical deficiency," then I suppose I can afford to lose a few patients due to professional incompetence lol.

[o.supreme]

a little OT but... I don't think its so much as "selective" memory, as much as, our imperfection when it comes to intake of memories, storage, & recall. Of course in the infancy of the internet and TF websites, they were a rife place for spreading TF rumor. However with official printed material, pictures, and video becoming easily sharable, it helped to dispel rumors and inaccuracies in our memories.

Oh yeah, and I know most of my high school Trig is gone. But, I actually hand-typed the entire TF:TM script on MS word back in 1995, so yeah, the dialogue is forever with me.

--There was a website a while back that in fact listed most of the popular TF rumors in the early days (alt.toys.transformers), and the proof they were untrue.

[GrimlockPrimal]

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised how well Alpha Bravo and Rook blend in with the UW teams.

Alpha Bravo is distinct enough from Slingshot to stand on his own and fits with the aircraft motif the Aerialbots have going on (and even in Japan, they're called "Airbots", not "Jetbots") and serves a unique purpose on the team, and Rook really just completes the Protectobot team as a whole, because he's the last sort of "archetypical" rescue vehicle.

I mean, let's look at the Protectobots as a group; we have a fire engine, police cruiser, ambulance, rescue helicopter and patrol cycle; adding Rook gives the group an armored transport, which is the final really big rescue vehicle. He sort of "completes" the protection idea, in a sense.

The only reason Rook could possibly be considered a bad idea is that he's "not from G1"; which hasn't stopped Takara from doing even less sensical things to the Protectobots; I mean, anybody remember Protectobots Heatrock and Skyfeather the drill tank and fighter jet? :p Compared to them, Rook is extremely befitting of the Protectobots.

And honestly, who wouldn't have loved seeing Rook wielding Defensor's mighty fists as his own to bash the crap out of Decepticons back in G1? :p

[o.supreme]

Honestly I have no problems with Rook or Alpha Bravo. I do appreciate that Between Takara & Hasbro, they did make it so we could have the original TF Combiners as well.

However... I'm not sure Rook really fist the "Rescue" motif. I mean... sure there is a fine line between Fire/Rescue vehicles vs Police vehicles (I mean both departments often respond to Emergencies). But Rook is pretty much a Police Vehicle



I guess it works... But I just cant see Rook in so much of a Rescue type situation (Thinking specifically of the Episode "Revenge of Bruticus" the Protectabots premiere episode. Rook seems to have more of a military application, which I guess would be good in facing off against the Combaticons.

[GrimlockPrimal]

Honestly I have no problems with Rook or Alpha Bravo. I do appreciate that Between Takara & Hasbro, they did make it so we could have the original TF Combiners as well.

However... I'm not sure Rook really fist the "Rescue" motif. I mean... sure there is a fine line between Fire/Rescue vehicles vs Police vehicles (I mean both departments often respond to Emergencies). But Rook is pretty much a Police Vehicle



I guess it works... But I just cant see Rook in so much of a Rescue type situation (Thinking specifically of the Episode "Revenge of Bruticus" the Protectabots premiere episode. Rook seems to have more of a military application, which I guess would be good in facing off against the Combaticons.

Streetwise and Groove were also both police vehicles as well.

As for Rook's status as a rescue vehicle, he's definitely the kind of vehicle you'd see during stuff like earthquakes or other such things; something that is very sturdy and durable in order to protect the civilians it would have to be carrying. He'd be sort of like Blades in function, really; Blades is a rescue helicopter, which would be used for stuff like high flooding and tsunamis, where Rook's more earthquakes and other land-based disasters.

So not a civilian-type rescue vehicle, but absolutely a form of rescue vehicle; APCs (which is what Rook's altmode is) are used as armored ambulances in combat situations, and presumably would also be able to fufill said purpose during disasters; think a First Aid that's heavily armored and armed with machine guns.

[o.supreme]

Streetwise and Groove were also both police vehicles as well.

Streetwise (similar to Red Alert)


Groove


But still I get your point. Rook would be more of a use in Natural Disaster/Combat situations rather than residential or woodland fire.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I really like Rook. He fits the whole motiff and I would not have minded if Takara had kept him there. but it is what it is.

Speaking of Rook (well, his mold at least) how about this new image right here:

[steals_your_goats]

I really like Rook. He fits the whole motiff and I would not have minded if Takara had kept him there. but it is what it is.

Speaking of Rook (well, his mold at least) how about this new image right here:

He looks so damn cool. I'm so glad I preordered him! The colors are great on both the individual bots and the combined mode.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I mean, anybody remember Protectobots Heatrock and Skyfeather the drill tank and fighter jet? :p Compared to them, Rook is extremely befitting of the Protectobots.

How about the jet (well, anything really) from the G1 Rescue Force? Or more recent, the APC and Jet Drones from the PCC Protectobots?

[GrimlockPrimal]

I mean, anybody remember Protectobots Heatrock and Skyfeather the drill tank and fighter jet? :p Compared to them, Rook is extremely befitting of the Protectobots.

How about the jet (well, anything really) from the G1 Rescue Force? Or more recent, the APC and Jet Drones from the PCC Protectobots?

The Rescue Force are barely even characters, really, so I'm not sure if they'd count here. They had no bios and weren't even good as a combiner. Plus they're basically just neutered Liokaiser members, so they're not even Protectobots in Name Only. :p

As for the PCC Protectobots....dude, I really don't wanna remember the PCC Protectobots. I mean, they're not as bad as some other PCC "combiners" (like Double Clutch ) but still...

[BumbleDouche]

a little OT but... I don't think its so much as "selective" memory, as much as, our imperfection when it comes to intake of memories, storage, & recall. Of course in the infancy of the internet and TF websites, they were a rife place for spreading TF rumor. However with official printed material, pictures, and video becoming easily sharable, it helped to dispel rumors and inaccuracies in our memories.

Oh yeah, and I know most of my high school Trig is gone. But, I actually hand-typed the entire TF:TM script on MS word back in 1995, so yeah, the dialogue is forever with me.

--There was a website a while back that in fact listed most of the popular TF rumors in the early days (alt.toys.transformers), and the proof they were untrue.

Lol sorry to continue off-topic, but my heart soared when I read that. I did the exact same thing years ago. I just assumed it was an obsessive quirk unique to me. It's great to know that I'm either normal or at least not alone with a mental disorder lol

[Professor Smooth]

--There was a website a while back that in fact listed most of the popular TF rumors in the early days (alt.toys.transformers), and the proof they were untrue.

Proving rumors untrue? Where's the fun in that?

[william-james88]

As for the PCC Protectobots....dude, I really don't wanna remember the PCC Protectobots. I mean, they're not as bad as some other PCC "combiners" (like Double Clutch ) but still...

I you don't like Doubleclutch, then you will probably agree with his inclusion on this list:
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ime/34791/

[Sowndwave76]

I know there's already been a lot of talk about UW Bruticus,
but one thing I wanted to add to the mix is no matter what issues the Combaticons have,
I am constantly going back to the thought that a lot of us have been waiting for a long, long time for these to be released. And yes, that goes for all of these combiners that are G1-esque in style.
It's still kinda crazy to me that it's been almost 10 YEARS since I started collecting the Classics line...
In the grand scheme, I think this line has been pretty solid. Now, I haven't bought a ton; none of the leader class or anything smaller than deluxe.
As of right now, I've passed on almost all Autobots as well (although I'm going to probably get UW Superion).
I only say this because all of the re-used molds haven't been an issue for me.
I do understand why it has been frustrating for people though.
It's also been easy for me to skip over the Autobot figures because I'm more than happy with all of the previous "classics etc" versions I already have. The only one that's even remotely tempting to me is Trailbreaker. Anyway.

I'm happy to have these good versions of Devastator, Menasor, and soon, Bruticus.
Again, they all have flaws here and there. But for the most part I think they're outstanding.
Yes, imo, the PE add-ons definitely help.

But here's a question for anyone interested:
Now that we have all of these combiners from CW, how long will it be before we ever see any of these again??
I have a feeling it's going to be quite a while... Which helps make it easy to just be thankful for what we've recently been getting.

Oh, and lastly, I'm on the fence about Victorion... Not a huge fan, but I'm not sure I'd say I hate it. As of right now, it's a fairly easy "pass".

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Thanks to the Planet Iacon Facebook page, we now have a new image of Unite Warriors Grand Galvatron! This image shows off Grand Galvatron is an alternate configuration with the flyers as his legs and the vehicles as his arms. And his cannon can still attach to his arm with Breakdown as his right arm!

In Addition, Twitter user Tagoal has given us tons of new in-hand images of the Takara Unite Warriors Convoy Grand Prime! These in-hand images show off the combined and individual modes for the set and make side-by-side comparisons with their hasbro counterparts. All the images are mirrored below for your enjoyment. Let us know what you think of all these images in the comments section below, and stay tuned for all your latest news and galleries from Seibertron.com!

Grand Galvatron:


Convoy Grand Prime:

[Octane Obsidian]

"Fools! Galvatron can be any size he wants!"

[Hellscream9999]

Wow, are his joints that stiff, can he actually pull those poses unaided

[D-Maximal_Primal]

those are some impressive poses

[Flashwave]

I really want 3/5s of Galvatron... But I dont have a need for a second Cyclobus, let alone one in that color, and Ghost Starscream is a pass for me. But I love Roller, Thrust, and Breakdown

[kurthy]

Can't wait for Grand Galvatron. The orange cannon!

I'm really glad I have the CW version of Optimus Maximus. There's not a whole lot I like better about the UW version except Sunstreaker, Prowl's chevron, and OM's black on the legs. Not really worth the hefty shipping cost.

[1984forever]

I'm about to buy the whole 05 set just for Sunstreaker and Mirage, I can't wait for them to show up on ebay solo.

[Evil Eye]

I'm actually contemplating getting UW Defensor. The lack of handfootgun diversity doesn't bother me so much as I'll be replacing them anyway (or at least the feet) and I'm fairly proficient with a paintbrush so I could probably paint the missing detail on them. And Rook is readily available online, so even if I don't like Deluxe Groove at all I can easily replace him (I plan to get Rook regardless of who ends up in my Protectobot lineup).

There's two things tempting me towards the UW release over the CW version:

1: Groove. More limb molds is always good, after all, and Groove looks pretty nice- and the UW set is the only way to get him.
2: Hot Spot's hips. Apparently he stands up MUCH better than the US version.

The only thing seriously putting me off the set is the colours. Hot Spot has a lot of missing detail- but then again it's detail I could easily paint myself. Also, Streetwise is a rather odd shade of grey, though I think they changed it back to off-white after the initial prototype pics.

I still intend to do the customized "police" combiner with a converted Battle Core Prime, but I'm not sure on the line-up. 3 of the 4 limbs are settled on- Alpha Bravo modified into a police helicopter, Prowl and a customized CW Trailbreaker made into Strongarm. But who should be the 4th limb? If I do get UW Defensor and Rook I can use either Rook or Deluxe Groove- I'm leaning towards Rook as he'd fit with the whole police theme a bit better than a dinky little motorcycle. Or alternatively, does anyone else have any ideas for another custom I could do? I actually considered CW Brawl modified into a riot suppression vehicle (with a water cannon to replace his turret barrel, and of course painted black white and blue) but I'm not sure.

[Unicron Magnus]

Sunstreaker looks like a banana.

[Hellscream9999]

Sunstreaker looks like a banana.

Great! He can join dragstrip, and they can become the 'Banana Twins'