The Energon Pub

[King Kuuga]

Did Japan even GET G2? That could be a reason they're not doing those. On the other side of the coin, Liokaiser is a Japanese original combiner and I would be quite surprised if they skipped it. If they wanted to avoid too much repetition, they wouldn't have released Convoy Grand Prime, which is literally a retool of Menasor.

[o.supreme]

Yes Japan did have a G2, however it was very limited. They didn't get any of the G1 recolors, only some of the new stuff (Laser Prime etc...) Also some of G2 & Machine Wars was used for BWII.

[william-james88]

Did Japan even GET G2? That could be a reason they're not doing those. On the other side of the coin, Liokaiser is a Japanese original combiner and I would be quite surprised if they skipped it. If they wanted to avoid too much repetition, they wouldn't have released Convoy Grand Prime, which is literally a retool of Menasor.

By that Logic, Hasbro shouldnt get Liokaiser since they never got one to begin with. That fact alone takes away any certainty that a toy would be released if that same area had the original toys or not.

The only thing we know is that Takara is considering this line the end all be all for G1 combiners. Like MP but at a different scale. To the point where Bruticus' feet are colour coded. Looking at that I would be in total disbelief if they released a LioKaiser that was made up of 4 deluxe limbs with a voyager torso. That would be their only innacurate G1 combiner. How does that make sense?

[Evil Eye]

So my Unite Warriors Blades broke on me. The socket where you plug in the hand-foot-gun cracked when I put in the hand-foot-gun. I've pinged an email to TFS Express asking if they can send me a replacement...which I hope they can. Considering I paid £115 for this thing- and that's the CHEAPEST I could get it for- I'll be seriously pissed if I have to order a whole new set.

[Hellscream9999]

I would love to see them done at a smaller scale, devs had too many corners cut for both the budget, and general stability, I think a team of 6 deluxe's would work for them

It was said by both Hasbro and Takara that stability had nothing to do with it. Any issue one may have is entirely related to cost control and Hasbro is fine with us knowing that.

First off, I was the one who was on that bandwagon. I was actually referring to the thin plastic, and horrid lower arms, they had to use really thin plastic to fit the budget and make him lighter so that he wouldn't topple, and the arms were probably sacrificed for similar reasons - they all just looked so bad

It wouldn't surprise me TOO much if Takara released Hasbro's interpretation of Liokaiser, with some improvements, or as a "USA Version" (they've done similar in the past). Or they may go super G1 and replace Deathsaurus with whoever is missing. We'll see. I doubt they'll skip it altogether.

They are already skipping quite a bit. They arent releasing the G2 decos nor the Battle Core Torso. Takara seems to not want to do too many redecos. So my guess is we will get the Takaa version of the Skylynx mold once. It will be either as Skylynx or as Dethsaurus or something else, but not both. They will be skipping one version of this mold, I dont know which one though.

That's not fair to say they're skipping it, TT seems to be about 6 months behind hasbro, and since the G2 stuff just came out in what, December, we should be seeing whether TT will be using them soon, but it's still too early to dismiss it

[o.supreme]

I don't now...I'm pretty sure we wont be seeing G2 decos as part of the UW line. Especially with the rumors that continuation of the UW line depends upon Bruticus pre-orders/sales.

However I am a fan of symmetry and order, which is why Transformers is almost a constant source of frustration. Also The CW/UW line has brought me out of a 10 year stint of not purchasing any toys, that's how much I like the line, and how powerful nostalgia can be .



I posted this as it is one of my favorite pieces of TF artwork in recent memory. However it presents some challenges to reenact with CW or UW

1-No Omega Supreme (well at least not until 2018 or 2019)...
2-Sky Lynx, is now Sky Reign -I actually like this change, as I feel he would be more an even match for Predaking now but...
3-No Predaking (Hasbro as of last year stated they will not be doing any "animal" combiners...who knows if that will change
4-No Abominus (See Predaking)

Now...If I had the funds, I would actually commission Dan to do a "Part 2" of the above Battle

1.Raiden vs Piranacon (aka King Poseidon)
2.Landcross vs Dinoking
3.Road Caesar vs Liokaiser
4.Sixliner vs Monstructor
5.Guard City vs Battle Gaia

Now it gets really dicey...and uneven... There's 4 additional Autobot Combiners as part of Operation Combination that have no Decepticon counterparts...

But anyway... I always felt the micro-combiners got cheated as the toys were small in scale. The IDW Optimus Prime Spotlight (Omega Supreme vs Monstructor & origin of Combining technology), is one of my favorites. I was *hoping* Hasbro would rectify this long standing error and perhaps give them a proper update (You know if Hasbro did Monstructor then TT would do Dinoking)...But sadly I don't see this happening. I mean I love CW & UW, but with Titans Return rolling it, it will (to me at least) feel like an unfinished toy line if they don't at least offer us a few more toys before its all over.

[ZeroWolf]

In the comics though they retconed combiner tech as being due to Nexus Prime and his enigma of combination. Jihaxus was just trying to get it going again.

[o.supreme]

True, but my point was that it was still a cool story, and made Monstructor a force to be reckoned with, whereas before he had basically no presence in any media prior to that. Kind of an odd twist that the *last* combiner toy in the original Transformers in the United States, became the *first* in IDW's Original TF continuity.

[King Kuuga]

Did Japan even GET G2? That could be a reason they're not doing those. On the other side of the coin, Liokaiser is a Japanese original combiner and I would be quite surprised if they skipped it. If they wanted to avoid too much repetition, they wouldn't have released Convoy Grand Prime, which is literally a retool of Menasor.

By that Logic, Hasbro shouldnt get Liokaiser since they never got one to begin with. That fact alone takes away any certainty that a toy would be released if that same area had the original toys or not.

That is not what I said. What I said was that, because Liokaiser is a Japanese creation first and foremost, and the toy exists, it would surprise me greatly if it didn't get a Japanese release. I was also debunking your assertions of mold repetition.

The only thing we know is that Takara is considering this line the end all be all for G1 combiners. Like MP but at a different scale. To the point where Bruticus' feet are colour coded. Looking at that I would be in total disbelief if they released a LioKaiser that was made up of 4 deluxe limbs with a voyager torso. That would be their only innacurate G1 combiner. How does that make sense?

With a hypothetical UW Liokaiser being a year out or more, and with Takara's demonstrated willingness to make new molds, is it so inconceivable that they would replace Deathsaurus with new molds of Leozack and Jallguar? With this being possibly the only chance they'll ever have to release a Liokaiser, I would not be surprised if Takara did this.

And again, Takara's Unite Warriors isn't all G1 all the time. It's approximating G1 with the resources they have, and then throwing in some curveballs (Convoy Grand Prime, Grand Scourge, Grand Galvatron). This guy could be Grand Deathsaurus or something. My point is, don't write it off because it has five members. I will be surprised if we don't see this in Unite Warriors somehow.

[william-james88]

I don't now...I'm pretty sure we wont be seeing G2 decos as part of the UW line. Especially with the rumors that continuation of the UW line depends upon Bruticus pre-orders/sales.

However I am a fan of symmetry and order, which is why Transformers is almost a constant source of frustration. Also The CW/UW line has brought me out of a 10 year stint of not purchasing any toys, that's how much I like the line, and how powerful nostalgia can be .



I posted this as it is one of my favorite pieces of TF artwork in recent memory. However it presents some challenges to reenact with CW or UW

1-No Omega Supreme (well at least not until 2018 or 2019)...
2-Sky Lynx, is now Sky Reign -I actually like this change, as I feel he would be more an even match for Predaking now but...
3-No Predaking (Hasbro as of last year stated they will not be doing any "animal" combiners...who knows if that will change
4-No Abominus (See Predaking)

Awesome artwork and I have good news to make it come true for a few. Yes, we dont have Omega Supreme but that Predaking and Skylynx battle is easy as pie to recreate. For once, the G1 toys are actually in scale, not just with oneanother but with the other CW combiners.

G1 Predaking is just as tall as the CW Combiners and G1 Skylynx ends up being in the exact same scale depicted in that pic.

Sure it's G1 so it doesnt look too hot:



But add some sparkles and...

[ZeroWolf]

That's pretty cool, are those pics you pulled off the Internet or your own?

@o.supreme yes, I did like that monstructor was important for once though his Japanese counterpart was prominent in Victory. Though I looming at the history of the G1 IDWverse Nexus Prime is the first combiner.

[william-james88]

That's pretty cool, are those pics you pulled off the Internet or your own?

Just google searches. I have some of my own elsehwere on this site but coldnt find them.

[bradam]

I was really surprised Lokasier was made before Raidan.

Unless they are holding out for a titan Raidan to complement Devastator?

Six train cars, they all could be re retools of each other heh

[o.supreme]

A Titan Raiden would be amazing, but almost certainly not going to happen. The originals were all unique molds, and like Devastator, even if two of the molds were identical (front & back cars) , and the middle were all identical passenger cars, it would not work. They would all have to be unique, like the original version and like Devastator, for their combined form to work.

[Agamemnon]

A Titan Raiden would be amazing, but almost certainly not going to happen. The originals were all unique molds, and like Devastator, even if two of the molds were identical (front & back cars) , and the middle were all identical passenger cars, it would not work. They would all have to be unique, like the original version and like Devastator, for their combined form to work.

What if the limbs were made to scramble?

[o.supreme]

Raiden, like Devastator, is not a SC Combiner. TT would never go for an inaccurate rendition. Its basically like saying...Make Devastator with limbs made to scramble... most fans would not go for it.

Remember both *Devastator* & *Raiden* came out in Japan's Diaclone line (pre-transformers). The only reason Hasbro did not purchase the Trainbots at the same time as the Constructicons back around 1983 was because -"American kids don't like/cant identify with a bullet train"

[Hellscream9999]

Make Devastator with limbs made to scramble...

I would've been over the moon for that, doubly if they were all deluxe so I could scramble them onto Galvy

[bradam]

Being I never could afford a real Raiden I bought a Chinese KO a few years ago, talking about it here made me have to dig it out to remember it better.

With them sitting here on my desk the two arm cars are pretty much identical minus their "noses" so to speak. The leg cars, even with one having a bullet nose and the other more flat like the arm cars, are damn near identical. The 2 chest guys are completely different transformation wise.

I guess if Takara went cheap they could do it with 4 different molds. One for the arm cars, 1 for the leg cars, and 2 for the chest cars.

Personally I'm hoping they go all out someday and make 6 completely different ones Devastator style. Titan class!



On a side note I forgot what a pain in the parts-forming arse it is to assemble Raiden. Here's hoping a remake would have much less of that..

[Cobotron]

... scramble them on to Galvy

... scramble them on to Galvy

... scramble them on to Galvy

YES!

[Hellscream9999]

... scramble them on to Galvy

... scramble them on to Galvy

... scramble them on to Galvy

YES!

Wouldn't it be glorious

Being completely honest, I would have far less interest - next to none - for any more titan class combiners

[bradam]

Suppose they could just do 6 deluxe size bots, make Raiden about the same size as say Bruticus for example.

[Hellscream9999]

Suppose they could just do 6 deluxe size bots, make Raiden about the same size as say Bruticus for example.

THAT, that, I would be all over

[King Kuuga]

A Titan Class Raiden would be neat, but probably not that popular.

[fenrir72]

A Titan Class Raiden would be neat, but probably not that popular.

Speak for the continental United States. Same can be said for MP Star Saber. well look how "unpopular" he became.

[william-james88]

Raiden, like Devastator, is not a SC Combiner. TT would never go for an inaccurate rendition. Its basically like saying...Make Devastator with limbs made to scramble... most fans would not go for it.

Thats the same argument for Liokiser.