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Rated X wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Rated X wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like,
Here's my thing....
Why would a cement mixer be needed in a "mining" operation ?
Believe it or not, we actually have a rock quarry near the Everglades portion of South Miami. I once visited it to see an explosives demonstration presented by former military bomb squad members. I got to see several huge mining vehicles including a dump truck as big as Long Haul from ROTF. (They are freaking huge) However there were no cement mixers present because nothing was being built. They were mining.![]()
As the pictures Hellscream9999 shows, there no debate that these "neo" cement mixers are big and do fit better with the scale they are shooting for. (which is controversial to begin with) However, I know Im not the only TF fan that didnt know these type of cement mixers existed before this figure was revealed. And in my opinion, they are ugly.
It's okay to be ignorant of things like this, so long as it's not held against others; I grew up around them, and have seen many on the road in my life, I find it inconceivable (I literally cannot imagine never seeing one - ever) that people can have never seen one like this - it's quite interesting, really. I think TT does a fair job of evoking the cab portion as a foot, while modernizing the mixer.
The one shown in my post is a smaller variant, they can get quite massive; the articulated pump truck (still awesome) receives cement from this specific style of mixer into a hopper on the back of it and pumps it along the arm via a hose to reach the tops of tall buildings and such.
As for needing cement in a 'mining' situation (and any others that may fall under this umbrella term), I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head as to why, but it's irrelevant. Plus utility vehicles are rarely designed to 'look' nice - they are all function and efficiency.
Irrelevant? Why ? Do I need an executive order from the president to find out what the hell a cement mixer would be doing at a mining operation ? Enlighten me...
And I havent ever seen one of those. It is what it is. I could ask you if youve ever seen the Oscar Mayer Weiner mobile and start calling you "ignorant" when you say no. But the bottom line is it exists just like that cement mixer.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Burn wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Just my take from a show that required suspension of belief.
I think you mean "suspension of disbelief." You need to suspend or putt
I think you mean "put".
*BOOM* Corrected the corrector!
Sabrblade wrote:All six of them are modern. It's just that the other five are based on vehicle types whose designs haven't changed as much in appearance as the look of that type of cement mixer has.Rated X wrote:Im not seeing "6 newer and different types of construction machines". Im seeing 5 G1 style construction machines and one ugly duckling.
Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like, and all six of the Constructicons in this set are rendered as the giant mining versions of their respective altmode vehicles. The rear-mounted cement mixer design nowadays is used on the smaller-scale ones, while the bigger-scale mining ones use the front-mounted mixers. It's because they're all giant mining construction vehicles now that Mixmaster got his new look.Right, you live in a city, where the only cement mixers to be found would be the smaller-scaled ones used for urban and suburban jobs. This new Mixmaster toy, however, is not one of those. This one is one of the bigger-scaled giant-sized cement mixers that would be found in mining quarries and deserts away from the city, performing tasks on a much grander level of operation (like working on enormous development sites and complexes), whereas the smaller-scale ones that you commonly see are not-nearly-as-giant-sized mixers that perform tasks on much lower level of operation by comparison.Rated X wrote:I wouldnt call it new generations style because ive never seen a cement mixer like that in person in my life. And I dont live in some small country town. I live in miami where construction goes on all the time and I see cement mixers parked roadside daily when I drive to work. Ive seen the picture here somebody posted so I know somewhere it does exist.As I said, all six of them have been updated from modestly-sized city construction vehicles to the gigantic-sized mining construction vehicles. The cement mixer (particularly the kind used for mining) is the only one of the six whose real world appearance has changed so drastically over the years, while the designs of the other five have remained more or less consistent in their appearances to this day.Rated X wrote:Its not relevant in the construction world and its not relevant to G1 like the other 5 vehicles are.
But put the five other Constructicons next to their G1 toy counterparts (which the G1 cartoon animation models were very faithful to appearance-wise) and you'll see the big differences between the construction vehicle types of then and now:
To cap it off, look at all the teeny tiny ladder steps on all five of the Titan class ones. That shows how gigantic the mining vehicles are compared to the city-based ones. You could never get one of these things into a downtown area without plowing through buildings to make way for these things. They are simply too big. You will likely never see these things show up in your area of residence because of how ginormous they are.
Stuartmaximus wrote:Why the hell is the Takara version of Dev not out til after Christmas? Isn't there photos of this guy already?
Stuartmaximus wrote:Why the hell is the Takara version of Dev not out til after Christmas? Isn't there photos of this guy already?
Stuartmaximus wrote:Why the hell is the Takara version of Dev not out til after Christmas? Isn't there photos of this guy already?
Wolfman Jake wrote:Is Unite Warriors Defensor still slated for a December release as well? I was hoping it might get pushed up to October, so it wouldn't have to share a release month with Devastator. With Superion being released in June, and Menasor due later this month, that leaves a long gap in between Unite Warriors releases. Kind of an odd move.
Hasui designed Hasbrostator, then Yuki took Hasui's Hasbrostator and modified/enhanced it into Takarastator.noctorro wrote:I don't get it.
This guy designed Takara Devastator.
But the Hasbro Devastator is already out.
So did he design the Hasbro version first and then
Takara asked him to redo some things like elbows & weapons.
Or did Hasbro design Devastator and Takara just added the elbows/guns?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Hasui designed Hasbrostator, then Yuki took Hasui's Hasbrostator and modified/enhanced it into Takarastator.noctorro wrote:I don't get it.
This guy designed Takara Devastator.
But the Hasbro Devastator is already out.
So did he design the Hasbro version first and then
Takara asked him to redo some things like elbows & weapons.
Or did Hasbro design Devastator and Takara just added the elbows/guns?
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Hasui designed Hasbrostator, then Yuki took Hasui's Hasbrostator and modified/enhanced it into Takarastator.noctorro wrote:I don't get it.
This guy designed Takara Devastator.
But the Hasbro Devastator is already out.
So did he design the Hasbro version first and then
Takara asked him to redo some things like elbows & weapons.
Or did Hasbro design Devastator and Takara just added the elbows/guns?
But wait, just to be clear, Yuki enhanced it by bringing back design elements that were initially talked about in the planning of Hasbrostator (which had been removed as the process continued).
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Is Unite Warriors Defensor still slated for a December release as well? I was hoping it might get pushed up to October, so it wouldn't have to share a release month with Devastator. With Superion being released in June, and Menasor due later this month, that leaves a long gap in between Unite Warriors releases. Kind of an odd move.
ETA October 2015. Then 2 months later on December Devstar.
Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Is Unite Warriors Defensor still slated for a December release as well? I was hoping it might get pushed up to October, so it wouldn't have to share a release month with Devastator. With Superion being released in June, and Menasor due later this month, that leaves a long gap in between Unite Warriors releases. Kind of an odd move.
ETA October 2015. Then 2 months later on December Devstar.
What's the source for that date, if you don't mind? TFSource and BBTS still have UW Defensor slated for a December 2015 release, hence my confusion in the matter.
william-james88 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Is Unite Warriors Defensor still slated for a December release as well? I was hoping it might get pushed up to October, so it wouldn't have to share a release month with Devastator. With Superion being released in June, and Menasor due later this month, that leaves a long gap in between Unite Warriors releases. Kind of an odd move.
ETA October 2015. Then 2 months later on December Devstar.
What's the source for that date, if you don't mind? TFSource and BBTS still have UW Defensor slated for a December 2015 release, hence my confusion in the matter.
December sounds about right. It is getting released from the initial source (TTMALL) November 28 November 28, 2015. So the time it takes to get to the stateside warehouses would be well into december.
http://takaratomymall.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=4904810831747
Cyberpath wrote:The more I see of Devastator the more I want it.
To me, the other vehicles look essentially like their classic counterparts with more added details. So if I had a say I too would prefer the classic Mixmaster truck style. But never mind that, I think the bigger issue is the wasp stinger on his backside in robot mode.
Just for fun -- one of the 3P companies is working on a brand new CW Mixmaster (also with "scale" ladders, but for whatever reason, not a cartoon-accurate head like the official.)
I'm okay with the official, but at least there are two other options for fans that are really bothered by it.
SillySpringer wrote:Cyberpath wrote:The more I see of Devastator the more I want it.
To me, the other vehicles look essentially like their classic counterparts with more added details. So if I had a say I too would prefer the classic Mixmaster truck style. But never mind that, I think the bigger issue is the wasp stinger on his backside in robot mode.
Just for fun -- one of the 3P companies is working on a brand new CW Mixmaster (also with "scale" ladders, but for whatever reason, not a cartoon-accurate head like the official.)
I'm okay with the official, but at least there are two other options for fans that are really bothered by it.
OMG that 3rd party Mixmaster looks SO MUCH BETTER! The problem is, I'm wanting to get the UW Devy, and now I'm wanting to pay MORE to get this Mixmaster! ARGGG!I need to get a life. That Mixmaster looks BOSS though.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:Well of course it looks good, it will probably also cost about half of what you're paying for hasbro-stator
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