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william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote:Also, better Afterburner
Scattershot ruins it tbh
Well I was going with non subjective things that the takara set didnt give you. I wasnt going with better or worse since those are always subjective. For example, Afterburner. I fail to see how Habsro's is better since it isnt accurate to anything. That green comes out of nowhere and is really odd. At least Takara's is faithful to one source and its cool how the shade of red on the motorbike is different from the rest of the red on Computron, giving it both uniformity and still a sense of something different and seperate. Plus it has 2 awesome new guns that are perfect for him.
Kurona wrote:That's true... but honestly, if I were to go with any, I'd go with UW Computron so I'd get those guns anyway.
I'd just also like CW Computron for his Afterburner, Hands, Feet and Scrounge. And maybe using their Nosecone for a leg.
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Kurona wrote:That's true... but honestly, if I were to go with any, I'd go with UW Computron so I'd get those guns anyway.
I'd just also like CW Computron for his Afterburner, Hands, Feet and Scrounge. And maybe using their Nosecone for a leg.
All personal preferences. If I could, I would get the Hasbro version and love that Strafe and Scrounge and Afterburner and I could get it for much cheaper. But I really hate Hasbro Nosecone and Lightspeed and Scattershot's Torso modes are very disappointing to me, so I will spend the extra this time for something that looks more unique and, to me, is much better, enough so to justify buying it
Kurona wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Kurona wrote:That's true... but honestly, if I were to go with any, I'd go with UW Computron so I'd get those guns anyway.
I'd just also like CW Computron for his Afterburner, Hands, Feet and Scrounge. And maybe using their Nosecone for a leg.
All personal preferences. If I could, I would get the Hasbro version and love that Strafe and Scrounge and Afterburner and I could get it for much cheaper. But I really hate Hasbro Nosecone and Lightspeed and Scattershot's Torso modes are very disappointing to me, so I will spend the extra this time for something that looks more unique and, to me, is much better, enough so to justify buying it
Yeah, I honestly feel Scattershot is the weak link here. I think everyone can agree that Afterburner and Strafe are fine in both versions; and after that it's just Lightspeed and Nosecone - who in Hasbro, function just fine as legs.
It's that goddamn torso that makes it not work.
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Kurona wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Kurona wrote:That's true... but honestly, if I were to go with any, I'd go with UW Computron so I'd get those guns anyway.
I'd just also like CW Computron for his Afterburner, Hands, Feet and Scrounge. And maybe using their Nosecone for a leg.
All personal preferences. If I could, I would get the Hasbro version and love that Strafe and Scrounge and Afterburner and I could get it for much cheaper. But I really hate Hasbro Nosecone and Lightspeed and Scattershot's Torso modes are very disappointing to me, so I will spend the extra this time for something that looks more unique and, to me, is much better, enough so to justify buying it
Yeah, I honestly feel Scattershot is the weak link here. I think everyone can agree that Afterburner and Strafe are fine in both versions; and after that it's just Lightspeed and Nosecone - who in Hasbro, function just fine as legs.
It's that goddamn torso that makes it not work.
It really is. I was content to get the Hasbro version, but when I saw that Takara had remolded the chest on both robot and torso mode and had made a new combiner head, the was the last straw there. They went there and made Computron different from Superion in combined form, and that was what I really wanted. Lightspeed, Nosecone, and the new guns were all extras, though Nosecone uses my favorite mold and hasbro nosecone uses my least favorite, so that was a heavy hitting part of the decision too. But the torso was the big thing
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:It really is. I was content to get the Hasbro version, but when I saw that Takara had remolded the chest on both robot and torso mode and had made a new combiner head, the was the last straw there. They went there and made Computron different from Superion in combined form, and that was what I really wanted. Lightspeed, Nosecone, and the new guns were all extras, though Nosecone uses my favorite mold and hasbro nosecone uses my least favorite, so that was a heavy hitting part of the decision too. But the torso was the big thing
Kurona wrote:I mean... okay, it's not as if the vehicle mode doesn't matter, but it's Combiner Wars. Isn't that Combined mode the most important part? I can take a Scattershot that transforms into a Concord. I mean, it'd annoy me, but considerably less so than a Scattershot that's just a Superion repaint.
As for Takara's adherence to media-accuracy, there's also a cultural factor at play. As seen above, Hasbro seems to be looking more towards the future and moving things forward with not as strong a regard for the past as TakaraTomy, who instead resides in a culture that has a much stronger reverence and respect for the past than the culture that Hasbro resides in.Q: What goes into the decision-making process of things like for the figures’ prime character still having a Superion head versus a few months later Takara comes out with a Generation 1-accurate Computron head?
John Warden: That’s a good question. A complicated question.
Ben Montano: Yeah, I don’t think it’s something we can get into the full details here, it’s something we definitely know and acknowledge for you guys it can be confusing, but it’s a decision we make on, a lot of it is timing-based, what we kinda wanna get on the market certain things and in our stories. And some of it may have to do with what we’re doing outside of toys and video games, you know, stuff that’s influencing and impacting how we approach our characters and our stories, so we often have an eye to the future that the things we introduce here we expect to see that kind of evolution of that character and that look in other spaces. So, a lot of what you see here is an homage to the past, but as John and Eddie have talked about, a lot of what we’re doing too is an eye towards the future of bringing new fans in and kind of giving us a chance to tell a new story versus kinda being chained to only the old stories. Hopefully you guys all see that big part of the new Machinima Combiner Wars story is there’s a lot of story that’s untold, a lot of gray area, a lot of gaps in our continuity, and that’s part of what we see the opportunity to do with the toys. Like, let’s fill in some gaps, let’s do some cool things that kind of open up the freedom whether it’s a comic or animation just to introduce something new.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I honestly don't care what they're excuse is, it doesn't justify painting superion's head red and trying to pass it off as someone new - especially on the heels of 'betatron' and since so many people already have superion himself; maybe they should've just given the combiner a new headSabrblade wrote:I know I've posted this before but the current discussion warrants its re-posting.
Hasbro basically stated at BotCon this year that they don't prioritize G1-accuracy (or accuracy to any past media) above all else. Here's a transcript of the answer they gave to a fan asking about the differences between Hasbro and Takara Computron during the Q&A session of the Hasbro Brand Panel:As for Takara's adherence to media-accuracy, there's also a cultural factor at play. As seen above, Hasbro seems to be looking more towards the future and moving things forward with not as strong a regard for the past as TakaraTomy, who instead resides in a culture that has a much stronger reverence and respect for the past than the culture that Hasbro resides in.Q: What goes into the decision-making process of things like for the figures’ prime character still having a Superion head versus a few months later Takara comes out with a Generation 1-accurate Computron head?
John Warden: That’s a good question. A complicated question.
Ben Montano: Yeah, I don’t think it’s something we can get into the full details here, it’s something we definitely know and acknowledge for you guys it can be confusing, but it’s a decision we make on, a lot of it is timing-based, what we kinda wanna get on the market certain things and in our stories. And some of it may have to do with what we’re doing outside of toys and video games, you know, stuff that’s influencing and impacting how we approach our characters and our stories, so we often have an eye to the future that the things we introduce here we expect to see that kind of evolution of that character and that look in other spaces. So, a lot of what you see here is an homage to the past, but as John and Eddie have talked about, a lot of what we’re doing too is an eye towards the future of bringing new fans in and kind of giving us a chance to tell a new story versus kinda being chained to only the old stories. Hopefully you guys all see that big part of the new Machinima Combiner Wars story is there’s a lot of story that’s untold, a lot of gray area, a lot of gaps in our continuity, and that’s part of what we see the opportunity to do with the toys. Like, let’s fill in some gaps, let’s do some cool things that kind of open up the freedom whether it’s a comic or animation just to introduce something new.
Hasbro's mindset seems to be more about making their products look "good" instead of "bad", even if it doesn't look accurate to any preexisting media of the past. Whereas Takara's mindset seems to be more about making their products look "right" instead of "wrong", even if that ever results in a bland/under-detailed look that favors the use of solid coloring and ignores sculpted detail instead a colorful/detailed look that uses less solid coloring and makes use of said detail.
For better or for worse, Hasbro goes for what looks "cool" to them , while Takara goes for what looks "correct" to them.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
To be fair, the original G1 Computron head looked a lot like Superion's head at first glance anyway:Hellscream9999 wrote:I honestly don't care what they're excuse is, it doesn't justify painting superion's head red and trying to pass it off as someone new - especially on the heels of 'betatron' and since so many people already have superion himself; maybe they should've just given the combiner a new head
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
Kurona wrote:Actually, if Takara Computicon didn't come out... I'd still have complaints. It's really annoying having a combiner who doesn't have a standout identity from another.
If Hasbro Computron was all there was, I'm sorry, but I'd see Perfect Effect's Head/Chest set just as necessary - if not more necessary - for him than Perfect Effect's Hands/Feet kits for every other combiner. It just does not look distinct.
Believe me, I'm happy for all the extra stuff Hasbro was able to do for Computron. I'm loving the look of the hands and feet, I'm loving Scrounge, and I'm loving Strafe. But that doesn't mean he doesn't still have major problems or that I can overlook them because "OH LOOK AT ALL THIS OTHER COOL STUFF". Just because it could have been a lot worse doesn't mean there's no criticism to be applied at all. It could've been a lot better. More than every other combiner could have been a lot better.
Sabrblade wrote:If Takara hadn't done their Computicon people might be singing a different tune about Hasbro's Computron. But even then, Hasbro's could have been far worse than it ended up being.
william-james88 on October 2015 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote: The drill part would need better molding to make Nosecone though. The one the club is doing wouldn't be fully satisfactory considering the drill is small.
He needs a nice meaty drill to widen all those crevices and enter with pride! How's he gonna excavate any cave to satisfaction with the tiny thing the club gave him?
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