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william-james88 wrote:
This just in: the odds are greater that we see deluxe groove from hasbro rather than an update to Liokaiser.
Extra Extra read all about it!
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I personally feel after Combiner Wars we will continue to see Combiners somewhat regularly.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:
This just in: the odds are greater that we see deluxe groove from hasbro rather than an update to Liokaiser.
Extra Extra read all about it!
you Sir are mean. And I would be just ok with a Liokaiser (And maybe so they'll stop whining a deluxe Groove)![]()
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:
This just in: the odds are greater that we see deluxe groove from hasbro rather than an update to Liokaiser.
Extra Extra read all about it!
you Sir are mean. And I would be just ok with a Liokaiser (And maybe so they'll stop whining a deluxe Groove)![]()
But I was just referring to the only 2 things we learnt from the questions asked at botcon. People asked if liokaiser and the other japan exclusive toys were getting a combiner wars redo and they said they had not looked into those (so no). As for groove, they said maybe we'll see, which is less than a no. So I just tied those two up into the only scoop headline we could get
budmaloney wrote:This is the color scheme we should have received. It's amazing. Only gripe is the color of hotspot, feels a bit dark, perhaps the Hasbro Hot Spot is more akin to his g1 self.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:budmaloney wrote:This is the color scheme we should have received. It's amazing. Only gripe is the color of hotspot, feels a bit dark, perhaps the Hasbro Hot Spot is more akin to his g1 self.
At the very least painting streetwise grey would have made the difference between him and prowl FAR more noticeable. Two white police cars with basically the same paint jobs (the only diff - I think - being the stripes) and the same mold is kinda irritating, but since I'm not getting prowl, I guess it doesn't matter; but it would have been nice.
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Sabrblade wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:budmaloney wrote:This is the color scheme we should have received. It's amazing. Only gripe is the color of hotspot, feels a bit dark, perhaps the Hasbro Hot Spot is more akin to his g1 self.
At the very least painting streetwise grey would have made the difference between him and prowl FAR more noticeable. Two white police cars with basically the same paint jobs (the only diff - I think - being the stripes) and the same mold is kinda irritating, but since I'm not getting prowl, I guess it doesn't matter; but it would have been nice.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
william-james88 wrote:I personally prefer him white. It makes more sense with him being a police car (I am also not getting Prowl since I have the more than decent universe version) and totally works with the sterile white overall theme of hotspot's limbs. As a modern version of this combiner, I feel the grey would clash a bit with the overall colour theme.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
william-james88 wrote:I personally prefer him white. It makes more sense with him being a police car (I am also not getting Prowl since I have the more than decent universe version) and totally works with the sterile white overall theme of hotspot's limbs. As a modern version of this combiner, I feel the grey would clash a bit with the overall colour theme.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:
This just in: the odds are greater that we see deluxe groove from hasbro rather than an update to Liokaiser.
Extra Extra read all about it!
you Sir are mean. And I would be just ok with a Liokaiser (And maybe so they'll stop whining a deluxe Groove)![]()
But I was just referring to the only 2 things we learnt from the questions asked at botcon. People asked if liokaiser and the other japan exclusive toys were getting a combiner wars redo and they said they had not looked into those (so no). As for groove, they said maybe we'll see, which is less than a no. So I just tied those two up into the only scoop headline we could get
Boo. I want a Liokaiser. He looks awesome.
Robogeek1973 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:
This just in: the odds are greater that we see deluxe groove from hasbro rather than an update to Liokaiser.
Extra Extra read all about it!
you Sir are mean. And I would be just ok with a Liokaiser (And maybe so they'll stop whining a deluxe Groove)![]()
But I was just referring to the only 2 things we learnt from the questions asked at botcon. People asked if liokaiser and the other japan exclusive toys were getting a combiner wars redo and they said they had not looked into those (so no). As for groove, they said maybe we'll see, which is less than a no. So I just tied those two up into the only scoop headline we could get
Boo. I want a Liokaiser. He looks awesome.
You and me both man, LioKaiser is my favorite combiner.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:That's fair, I was working under the idea that groove is/may be a pre-tool of the technobot, so hasbro would, conceivably, be using the same core figure as TT (tossing on a new front end on a mushroom peg doesn't really count as new or unique if hasbro is using it too), also, if TT is using the bruticus set, then tt will be using the rook core figure; wasn't really trying to split hairs, and realize that tt is making alot more changes as the series continues, but I was looking at it from the perspective of using core figures.
I see, thanks for explaining. However, the sad news for Groove (and sorry if its my turn to ruin your evening) is that he seems to be made in house from Takara. The use of clear plastic really sets him apart from the hasbro deluxes. There is a good chance we might not see him, but who knows. Also, what confused me about your statements was that you were mentioning Victorion who has no new molds. So saying Takara will be using the "core molds" of Victorion is a bit redundant since they already used all it's molds. Hence why I suggest keeping these seperate so as not to confuse eachother.
Thanks, I was trying to make a distinction between core molds such as rook = swindle (tt isn't using rook for defensor, but they are using swindle for bruticus - I assume) and big groove = technobot (I assume) (we aren't getting big groove, but we are getting his core figure for the technobot - if that comes to fruition) and teams (TT seems to be skipping the core mold cyclonus, but not skipping the optimus team)
Also I belive the clear plastic is relegated to the front of the cycle, which I mentioned, which seems like the entire assembly is attached via a hinge or mushroom peg, so it really isn't too difficult to swap it out.
I hope this clears things up, I stand by my logic that TT probably won't just discard 2 whole teams just because, nor will they make whole new teams, unless they do it privately (exclusively in house funded only by them, for them) or unless hasbro is using them in 2017. If this isn't technically appropriate for this thread, please let me know.
Sabrblade wrote:There's more to it than just the clear plastic that points to Groove being a Takara-original mold like Prime War Breakdown, Jet Vehicon, Gaia Unicron, etc. were. But before I get into those other points, I'll address the clear plastic first.Hellscream9999 wrote:and big groove = technobot (I assume) (we aren't getting big groove, but we are getting his core figure for the technobot - if that comes to fruition) and teams (TT seems to be skipping the core mold cyclonus, but not skipping the optimus team)
Also I belive the clear plastic is relegated to the front of the cycle, which I mentioned, which seems like the entire assembly is attached via a hinge or mushroom peg, so it really isn't too difficult to swap it out.
That the figure has clear plastic while none of the Hasbro molds do suggests it was given an additional plastic sprue that all of the other Hasbro molds lack, making this figure a greater expense than your average Hasbro Deluxe class figure. After all, Hasbro has standards when it comes to the budgetary limits for figures in each of their size classes, while Takara's standards aren't nearly so rigid.
Though other toys in the other lines like the current Robots in Disguise line use some clear plastic, the clear plastic on those figures was evidently budgeted into those figures, whereas the entire Deluxe class of the CW line is fully without any clear plastic. That Takara is using clear plastic on this new Groove mold and not on any other CW Deluxes suggests that more money was put into developing this one figure over all the others so that it could have that extra clear plastic sprue, which implies that it breaks the budget Hasbro established for the CW Deluxes by having one additional plastic sprue.
That said, here are the other points about Unite Warriors Groove to consider:
It has two guns that are based directly on the guns of the G1 Groove toy, whereas the Hasbro CW Deluxe molds each have just a single weapon (aside from the foot/hand gun) that is more original in its design instead of being deliberately based on the weapons of the G1 toys.
The figure has been given special attention by TakaraTomy advertisement, which wasn't the case for either Slingshot or Wildrider since those two were treated by Takara to be just ordinary figures. But Groove here was given big focal imagery in magazines ads and online order pages to make him stand out as something unique and different from the other Protectobot figures.
And finally, when the figure was first revealed, it was still a gray prototype at that point when all of the other Protectobot toys were well passed that point, placing its development cycle far later than any other Combiner Wars / Unite Warriors molds we've seen thus far, which strongly suggests that Takara had to make it themselves since, if Hasbro was behind this plan all along, would it not have made sense for Hasbro to have initiated its development as early as the other Protectobots? After all, when both Slingshot and Wildrider were first revealed, their new heads were already done, instead of still being in the hardcopy stage like Groove was.
So as far as can be told, this Unite Warriors Groove mold really looks to be a non-Hasbro product designed solely by Takara without regards to Hasbro's standards or input. And with Hasbro having already made a Legends Groove that still interacts with the Defensor combiner in some way, Hasbro very likely might feel contented enough with the Legends Groove to consider the Deluxe Groove as an unnecessary redundancy.
Not to mention that Hasbro went to the trouble of making Rook as a replacement for Groove's limb status, and did so by making him inherently meant to be the new Protectobot character that he is and no one else, instead of another preexisting character first like Alpha Bravo and Offroad were.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
william-james88 wrote:I personally prefer him white. It makes more sense with him being a police car (I am also not getting Prowl since I have the more than decent universe version) and totally works with the sterile white overall theme of hotspot's limbs. As a modern version of this combiner, I feel the grey would clash a bit with the overall colour theme.
He is a lovely shade of creme fraiche. If I remember correctly the original toy was pretty close to the same shade.Wolfman Jake wrote:william-james88 wrote:I personally prefer him white. It makes more sense with him being a police car (I am also not getting Prowl since I have the more than decent universe version) and totally works with the sterile white overall theme of hotspot's limbs. As a modern version of this combiner, I feel the grey would clash a bit with the overall colour theme.
Actually, Streetwise doesn't follow the "sterile white" motif of the rest of his teammates either in the Hasbro version. Takara's may be a screen accurate gray, but Hasbro's is an off-white, closer to Silverbolt and Breakdown. As always, don't be fooled by Hasbro's highly photoshopped promotional images. Either way you go, Streetwise is the odd limb out in terms of color scheme.
carytheone wrote:He is a lovely shade of creme fraiche. If I remember correctly the original toy was pretty close to the same shade.Wolfman Jake wrote:william-james88 wrote:I personally prefer him white. It makes more sense with him being a police car (I am also not getting Prowl since I have the more than decent universe version) and totally works with the sterile white overall theme of hotspot's limbs. As a modern version of this combiner, I feel the grey would clash a bit with the overall colour theme.
Actually, Streetwise doesn't follow the "sterile white" motif of the rest of his teammates either in the Hasbro version. Takara's may be a screen accurate gray, but Hasbro's is an off-white, closer to Silverbolt and Breakdown. As always, don't be fooled by Hasbro's highly photoshopped promotional images. Either way you go, Streetwise is the odd limb out in terms of color scheme.
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Indeed it is, but I was helping clarify for Billy J. that he should not expect the off white of Streetwise to match the true white of First Aid, Blades, or Rook. It seemed to me that he thought they all had a unified "sterile white" color scheme. I wanted to him to know that's not the case, so that if he is still contemplating the Takara version, he can make a better informed decision, without incorrect facts of the Hasbro option.
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