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[TF-fan kev777]

The Takara colors and the extra details on the torso sealed the deal for me, just pre-ordered on BBTS. Of course, I'm not ruling out Hasbro's just yet, but it is unlikely that I get both ($$$). If I come into some unexpected cash around the time he comes out, however...

[william-james88]

The Takara colors and the extra details on the torso sealed the deal for me, just pre-ordered on BBTS. Of course, I'm not ruling out Hasbro's just yet, but it is unlikely that I get both ($$$). If I come into some unexpected cash around the time he comes out, however...

You can always get the Hasbro on sale later if the price is cheap enough.

[Hellscream9999]

The Takara colors and the extra details on the torso sealed the deal for me, just pre-ordered on BBTS. Of course, I'm not ruling out Hasbro's just yet, but it is unlikely that I get both ($$$). If I come into some unexpected cash around the time he comes out, however...

Well, that's the thing, if you wait for hts to get it in, they may have it at the same time they have some of their smokin' deals, would get hasbro's for ~20% off + free shipping

[TF-fan kev777]

The Takara colors and the extra details on the torso sealed the deal for me, just pre-ordered on BBTS. Of course, I'm not ruling out Hasbro's just yet, but it is unlikely that I get both ($$$). If I come into some unexpected cash around the time he comes out, however...

You can always get the Hasbro on sale later if the price is cheap enough.

Exactly, especially if HTS has another 15% or 20% code available at the time. (keeping the fingers crossed).

[Randomhero]

The Takara colors and the extra details on the torso sealed the deal for me, just pre-ordered on BBTS. Of course, I'm not ruling out Hasbro's just yet, but it is unlikely that I get both ($$$). If I come into some unexpected cash around the time he comes out, however...

You can always get the Hasbro on sale later if the price is cheap enough.

Or just spend the $35 on PE hands and feet. I'm not a huge promoter of 3rd parties. Kinda wish they'd just go away anymore but I did get a couple of them for nothing at tfsource source because I cashed in my points over there. They're not bad. It's just some hands and feet so I figured what's the harm.

[Kurona]

I just don't understand why Hasbro uses cheap variations on already existing combiners, and Takara remakes the original ones. Better why why doesn't hasbro just wait until the Takara version is done and use that.

Because Takara isn't as restricted in terms of Production Costs as Hasbro. Simple as that.

[Deadput]

If I could get both I would since both look nice in their own way and then I would repurpose the Hasbro one as either the prototype (Betatron) to Computron or it would be an upgrade to Computron (Upgratron?)

Honestly their so different that they should not really be compared their two different takes on one group one is more accurate to the original (Takara) and the other is a reimagining/homage (Hasbro).

[Randomhero]

I just don't understand why Hasbro uses cheap variations on already existing combiners, and Takara remakes the original ones. Better why why doesn't hasbro just wait until the Takara version is done and use that.

Because Takara isn't as restricted in terms of Production Costs as Hasbro. Simple as that.

Also because Takara doesn't exactly make those decisions. Hasbro are the ones that decide on what to put out. If hasbro didn't do combiner wars, than Takara wouldn't have made United. Same for Power Core Combiners. 3 or 4 years after we got PCC they started using PCC wasn't it? Same as animated? Takara follows what hasbro does. That's the truth. That's why most of the legends figures came out 9 months to a year after Hasbros releases. Hasbro does their thing and Takara waits to see how they can achieve it as well. That's why it's taken 2 1/2 years for Takara to finally do something with the Generations Skids mold. Still nothing on Jhiaxus...

Takara is very picky on what they want to make and do. It's in Hasbros best interest to wait and see what Takara does, especially if a lot of behind the scenes designing is from Hasbro.

[leokearon]

The Takara one is amazing, the only things Hasbro has in it's favour is using the Streetwise mold for Lightspeed and Scrounge

[william-james88]

I just don't understand why Hasbro uses cheap variations on already existing combiners, and Takara remakes the original ones. Better why why doesn't hasbro just wait until the Takara version is done and use that.

Because Takara isn't as restricted in terms of Production Costs as Hasbro. Simple as that.

Also because Takara doesn't exactly make those decisions. Hasbro are the ones that decide on what to put out. If hasbro didn't do combiner wars, than Takara wouldn't have made United. Same for Power Core Combiners. 3 or 4 years after we got PCC they started using PCC wasn't it? Same as animated? Takara follows what hasbro does. That's the truth. That's why most of the legends figures came out 9 months to a year after Hasbros releases. Hasbro does their thing and Takara waits to see how they can achieve it as well. That's why it's taken 2 1/2 years for Takara to finally do something with the Generations Skids mold. Still nothing on Jhiaxus...

Takara is very picky on what they want to make and do. It's in Hasbros best interest to wait and see what Takara does, especially if a lot of behind the scenes designing is from Hasbro.

I dont get the mention of behind the scenes, Hasbro has videos of designers talking about coming up with combiner wars. The system is well known:

Hasbro comes up with a design
They send it to Takara and pay takara to do the engineering
Takara then gets to use that toy to do as they wish with it (including remolding it)

With Computron what is interesting is that all the molds were already available. The engineering was already done for all of them. Takara did their thing and so did Hasbro, at the same time. I am sure both knew what they were doing.

And you are totally right in saying that Takara only did these now because Hasbro started it. However, it is not true to say that Takara always waits for Hasbro. They didnt for these combiners:



Or the etire MP line.

Also Takara releasing things after means nothing. Its not because Hasbro has a head start, the engineering is done by Takara and they can both release them after if they want. The Entire Galaxy Force line was first released by Takara.

And here's a modern day example: the TAV Quillfire and Thunderhoof were released in Japanese retail before American retail.

The schedule doesnt mean anything and shouldnt serve as a support to any argument.

[Hellscream9999]

I just don't understand why Hasbro uses cheap variations on already existing combiners, and Takara remakes the original ones. Better why why doesn't hasbro just wait until the Takara version is done and use that.

Because Takara isn't as restricted in terms of Production Costs as Hasbro. Simple as that.

Also because Takara doesn't exactly make those decisions. Hasbro are the ones that decide on what to put out. If hasbro didn't do combiner wars, than Takara wouldn't have made United. Same for Power Core Combiners. 3 or 4 years after we got PCC they started using PCC wasn't it? Same as animated? Takara follows what hasbro does. That's the truth. That's why most of the legends figures came out 9 months to a year after Hasbros releases. Hasbro does their thing and Takara waits to see how they can achieve it as well. That's why it's taken 2 1/2 years for Takara to finally do something with the Generations Skids mold. Still nothing on Jhiaxus...

Takara is very picky on what they want to make and do. It's in Hasbros best interest to wait and see what Takara does, especially if a lot of behind the scenes designing is from Hasbro.

I dont get the mention of behind the scenes, Hasbro has videos of designers talking about coming up with combiner wars. The system is well known:

Hasbro comes up with a design
They send it to Takara and pay takara to do the engineering
Takara then gets to use that toy to do as they wish with it (including remolding it)

With Computron what is interesting is that all the molds were already available. The engineering was already done for all of them. Takara did their thing and so did Hasbro, at the same time. I am sure both knew what they were doing.

And you are totally right in saying that Takara only did these now because Hasbro started it. However, it is not true to say that Takara always waits for Hasbro. They didnt for these combiners:



Or the etire MP line.

Also Takara releasing things after means nothing. Its not because Hasbro has a head start, the engineering is done by Takara and they can both release them after if they want. The Entire Galaxy Force line was first released by Takara.

And here's a modern day example: the TAV Quillfire and Thunderhoof were released in Japanese retail before American retail.

The schedule doesnt mean anything and shouldnt serve as a support to any argument.

Yeah... maybe they should have, those things were quite the hot mess

[william-james88]

The Takara one is amazing, the only things Hasbro has in it's favour is using the Streetwise mold for Lightspeed and Scrounge

Wait till you see streetwise as lightspeed to pass judgment. Word on the street is it doesnt look good at all.

[o.supreme]

All of the Autobots (Cybertrons) *sans Brave Maximus* for the 2000 CR (2001 RiD)line and Megatron (Gigatron) were all original Takara designs. Those are still some of my favorites to this day.

[ZeroWolf]

Gigatron wasn't a takara mold?

[william-james88]

Gigatron wasn't a takara mold?

He was talking about the good guys. Gigatron was a takara mold, yes.

[ZeroWolf]

Gigatron wasn't a takara mold?

He was talking about the good guys. Gigatron was a takara mold, yes.

Yes, I see now, I misread what he put. So that one is on me

[Randomhero]

I just don't understand why Hasbro uses cheap variations on already existing combiners, and Takara remakes the original ones. Better why why doesn't hasbro just wait until the Takara version is done and use that.

Because Takara isn't as restricted in terms of Production Costs as Hasbro. Simple as that.

Also because Takara doesn't exactly make those decisions. Hasbro are the ones that decide on what to put out. If hasbro didn't do combiner wars, than Takara wouldn't have made United. Same for Power Core Combiners. 3 or 4 years after we got PCC they started using PCC wasn't it? Same as animated? Takara follows what hasbro does. That's the truth. That's why most of the legends figures came out 9 months to a year after Hasbros releases. Hasbro does their thing and Takara waits to see how they can achieve it as well. That's why it's taken 2 1/2 years for Takara to finally do something with the Generations Skids mold. Still nothing on Jhiaxus...

Takara is very picky on what they want to make and do. It's in Hasbros best interest to wait and see what Takara does, especially if a lot of behind the scenes designing is from Hasbro.

I dont get the mention of behind the scenes, Hasbro has videos of designers talking about coming up with combiner wars. The system is well known:

Hasbro comes up with a design
They send it to Takara and pay takara to do the engineering
Takara then gets to use that toy to do as they wish with it (including remolding it)

With Computron what is interesting is that all the molds were already available. The engineering was already done for all of them. Takara did their thing and so did Hasbro, at the same time. I am sure both knew what they were doing.

And you are totally right in saying that Takara only did these now because Hasbro started it. However, it is not true to say that Takara always waits for Hasbro. They didnt for these combiners:



Or the etire MP line.

Also Takara releasing things after means nothing. Its not because Hasbro has a head start, the engineering is done by Takara and they can both release them after if they want. The Entire Galaxy Force line was first released by Takara.

And here's a modern day example: the TAV Quillfire and Thunderhoof were released in Japanese retail before American retail.

The schedule doesnt mean anything and shouldnt serve as a support to any argument.

Thanks for mentioning those weird combiners from their Prime spinoff. I was thinking about them the entire time I was posting but I just couldn't remember their names and what they turned into because I really didn't care about that.

Takara does do their own stuff once in a while and when they do it's weird as hell. In my opinion lol. From That odd prime spinoff to Nike shoes transformers to those weird SD quick change car bots that are popular.

Takaras marketing is something to be desired a lot. Take our legends figures that they're shoehorning into their version of RID. Bombshell, Blackjack, animated Dinobots and some generations toys. Sometimes It feels like Takara doesn't know how put stuff out sometimes.

A lot of it might just be that Takara doesn't want to create original fiction. That's why as cool as their legends repaints are, the mini comics that come with them are just a bit ridiculous.

And let's not forget Kiss players...ugh... Lol just kidding.

[william-james88]

Takara does do their own stuff once in a while and when they do it's weird as hell. In my opinion lol. From That odd prime spinoff to Nike shoes transformers to those weird SD quick change car bots that are popular.

Just making sure, does that mean you find the Masterpiece line weird as hell?

[Hellscream9999]

Takara does do their own stuff once in a while and when they do it's weird as hell. In my opinion lol. From That odd prime spinoff to Nike shoes transformers to those weird SD quick change car bots that are popular.

Just making sure, does that mean you find the Masterpiece line weird as hell?

I do, it's like, all G1 and stuff

[Randomhero]

Takara does do their own stuff once in a while and when they do it's weird as hell. In my opinion lol. From That odd prime spinoff to Nike shoes transformers to those weird SD quick change car bots that are popular.

Just making sure, does that mean you find the Masterpiece line weird as hell?

MPs are not always just Takara. Aaron Archer did contribute to MP-01 and a lot of people have said recently that Soundwave was made with the help of Hasbro

Sometimes it can be. Look at the first MP starscream. He is a bit weird. Takara decided to instead of making an accurate starscream, make an accurate F-15 that can turn into starscream and that was is a bit of a hit or miss till he was heavily retooled to look more like starscream.

Hot Rod came with his trusty fishing pole.

They also have Optimus a skull face under his face plate...weird.

[william-james88]

Takara does do their own stuff once in a while and when they do it's weird as hell. In my opinion lol. From That odd prime spinoff to Nike shoes transformers to those weird SD quick change car bots that are popular.

MPs are by soupy Takara. Aaron Archer did contribute to MP-01 and a lot of people have said recently that Soundwave was made with the help of Hasbro

Just making sure, does that mean you find the Masterpiece line weird as hell?

Sometimes it can be. Look at the first MP starscream. He is a bit weird. Takara decided to instead of making an accurate starscream, make an accurate F-15 that can turn into starscream and that was is a hot a hit or miss till he was heavily retooled to look more like starscream.

Hot Rod came with his trusty fishing pole.

They also have Optimus a skull face under his face plate...weird.

I am right there with you on all that. They do add some funky stuff to that line. Wheeljack has a mustache under his faceplate too

[Randomhero]

Takara does do their own stuff once in a while and when they do it's weird as hell. In my opinion lol. From That odd prime spinoff to Nike shoes transformers to those weird SD quick change car bots that are popular.

MPs are by soupy Takara. Aaron Archer did contribute to MP-01 and a lot of people have said recently that Soundwave was made with the help of Hasbro

Just making sure, does that mean you find the Masterpiece line weird as hell?

Sometimes it can be. Look at the first MP starscream. He is a bit weird. Takara decided to instead of making an accurate starscream, make an accurate F-15 that can turn into starscream and that was is a hot a hit or miss till he was heavily retooled to look more like starscream.

Hot Rod came with his trusty fishing pole.

They also have Optimus a skull face under his face plate...weird.

I am right there with you on all that. They do add some funky stuff to that line. Wheeljack has a mustache under his faceplate too

Sorry about my post. I edited it. I'm doing this on my phone and doing this in my phone can be jarring...

[Randomhero]

Even one of Shockwaves accessories is an animation error. Totally awesome, downright weird of Takara lol

[alex1986lunatic]

I must be the only one who likes the Hasbro version more

[Sigma Magnus]

I must be the only one who likes the Hasbro version more

More or less, yeah. May I ask your reasoning?