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Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon May 09, 2016 4:19 pm

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o.supreme wrote:Also... I just got the last UW-06 GG on BBTS :D , but Computron's pre-order is already sold out :(

No worries, he's available basically everywhere else still including amiami for 103$ USD: http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1

If you want something american, there is TFSource for the same price as BBTS: http://tfsource.com/transformers-unite/computron/

I shall be going TFsource or Ebay on this one. They always show up on ebay for $5 less and free shipping, so either route is possible.

And to be, Battle Core Prime has the best robot mode head of the primes in CW/UW. It is awesome and I wish they would have used it more :MAXIMAL:
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon May 09, 2016 4:31 pm

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Cobotron wrote:Sorry, sort of off topic here, but last night I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy, it dawned on me that Hasbro might have a hard time getting a trademark on the name "Nova Prime". As there is a character named that in that movie. Kind of a bummer.

I WAS playing with Grand Galavatron while I was watching, so HEY, look at at that , back on topic! :-P

Grandvatron RULES!

Well, if they ever really want to make a toy of him, they could always just go with Nova Major or Autobot Nova or something.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Mon May 09, 2016 4:37 pm

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Well yes, GOTG has a character named Nova Prime, but as far as I can tell, she has no action figures so if the trademark is up for grabs in the Toys and Games department, Hasbro could definitely swoop in and claim it. Assuming they don't have it already, I don't know if they trademark the club toy names but the club did release a Nova Prime last year or so.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon May 09, 2016 4:44 pm

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Why not just use a name like "Autobot Nova Prime" like they do with characters like Jazz and Ratchet?


Yeah Nova Prime is not really an Autobot but neither is IDW Sentinel and he is getting packaged as an Autobot and Lockdown in AOE was not a Decepticon but was marketed as such.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon May 09, 2016 5:03 pm

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Cobotron wrote:
Grandvatron RULES!



Best name ever of all time.
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Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.


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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Mon May 09, 2016 8:17 pm

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I have to say this real quick--
now that we have galleries of UW Cyclonus, I can't express how much I wish I could get just him...
That figure looks so amazing and beautiful!!!! :-(
And no, I will not cave and spend over $100 just to have him.

I also don't have any interest in Sky Reign, but for those of you do, I hope it's everything you're wanting.
Especially you, Kurona. How funny that you had just mentioned this guy!
Anyway, It's awesome seeing a lot of people excited for stuff like this.

And selfishly (sorry), I hope this increases the chances of Abominus and Piranacon happening sooner than later.

Tbh though, I am kinda anxious to see exactly what's involved in this set.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Mon May 09, 2016 8:44 pm

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WJ88,

Here's how I see it:

Devastator: UW is probably better. I have the Hasbro version, but I'm more than okay with it.
There are actually a couple things with the UW version I don't really like.
Superion: UW is better, for the reasons you mentioned.
Defensor: Hasbro is = to UW as long as you have Groove in the mix. I know, lots of people love Rook... But for me a ton of this is a nostalgia-thing, so I want Groove in that team.
Menasor: UW is better (their Motormaster is just awesome). However, I'd say it's = if you throw Wildrider in there over Offroad with the Hasbro version. Same reasoning as I mentioned with Defensor and Groove.
Computron: UW is better. I completely dig all of it. Hasbro's is so far off it's like they decided to go with a couple different limb characters all-together. And some of Hasbro's color choices are just bizarre imo, and don't work.
Bruticus: For me, UW is by far better. Blast Off, Vortex, and the silver/gray Brut head alone are enough for me. And I actually really like the burnt orange/brown chest plate for Brut too.
Even with a few changes, for me it just captures the look and spirit of Bruticus.
Yeah, I'm spending twice as much (+ with PE add-ons), but for me it's totally worth it for this one. Plus I saved quite a bit by not getting UW Defensor.

Sorry, continue with Sky Reign talk!
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon May 09, 2016 8:59 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:And selfishly (sorry), I hope this increases the chances of Abominus and Piranacon happening sooner than later.

Tbh though, I am kinda anxious to see exactly what's involved in this set.

I don't have the exact quote, but at Botcon someone asked Hasbro if we'd be seeing the other combiners soon; especially the likes of the extremely popular Predaking (who notably won the hall of fame... I still have no clue how he won over devvy). The hasbro responded with "Well, would you guys like to see more Combiner Wars in 2018?", and got a very large positive response from the crowd in the form of "WOOOOOOO"ing. So yeah, we might get more combiners eventually; Predaking and Abominus being the most likely ones because aside from Devvy and the first four Scramble City dudes Predaking is the most popular combiner, while Abominus is of course Computron's counterpart. Piranacon and Monstructor are... nowhere near as popular, though they could offset costs because they both have very easy repaints (God Neptune from BW Neo for Piranacon - which I hope will happen because I love it's colour scheme so much more - and Dinoking from Victory for Monstructor).



I don't think it took long for Computicon's component prototypes to be shown long after his silhouette reveal, did it? So likewise it shouldn't take too long to see Sky Reign's components. And I have a feeling they'd prioritize the one very big not-First-Aid mystery... or maybe build up to it as a surprise. IDK.


edit: in my second sentence on my first paragraph I meant to say "the hasbro panel responded with", but put "The Hasbro responded" instead. I'm gonna keep that because I like it.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Optimizzy » Mon May 09, 2016 9:20 pm

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Deadput wrote:Yup which is why I use my Battle Core Prime as my poor mans Nova Prime.


Me too, Deadput! :)


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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Mon May 09, 2016 9:31 pm

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Kurona wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:And selfishly (sorry), I hope this increases the chances of Abominus and Piranacon happening sooner than later.

Tbh though, I am kinda anxious to see exactly what's involved in this set.

I don't have the exact quote, but at Botcon someone asked Hasbro if we'd be seeing the other combiners soon; especially the likes of the extremely popular Predaking (who notably won the hall of fame... I still have no clue how he won over devvy). The hasbro responded with "Well, would you guys like to see more Combiner Wars in 2018?", and got a very large positive response from the crowd in the form of "WOOOOOOO"ing. So yeah, we might get more combiners eventually; Predaking and Abominus being the most likely ones because aside from Devvy and the first four Scramble City dudes Predaking is the most popular combiner, while Abominus is of course Computron's counterpart. Piranacon and Monstructor are... nowhere near as popular, though they could offset costs because they both have very easy repaints (God Neptune from BW Neo for Piranacon - which I hope will happen because I love it's colour scheme so much more - and Dinoking from Victory for Monstructor).


I don't think it took long for Computicon's component prototypes to be shown long after his silhouette reveal, did it? So likewise it shouldn't take too long to see Sky Reign's components. And I have a feeling they'd prioritize the one very big not-First-Aid mystery... or maybe build up to it as a surprise. IDK.


edit: in my second sentence on my first paragraph I meant to say "the hasbro panel responded with", but put "The Hasbro responded" instead. I'm gonna keep that because I like it.


Well, that happening at Botcon and the Hasbro's response are encouraging.
It's pretty obvious we'll get Predaking at some point. That is interesting he won H.o.F. over Devastator. Oh well.
I just really hope they keep him in scale with the others, it will make the production of other combiners much more possible.
You'd think if they made Predaking and Abominus they'd go ahead and use the molds for other beast combiners just because it's cost effective.
But who knows, they've been so hesitant to do beastformers in general. Unfortunately I wouldn't doubt if it takes a while for these to get their due.

Agreed about the reveal... I bet it won't be long now. You must be pretty freakin' excited!
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Optimizzy » Mon May 09, 2016 9:39 pm

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I for one would love a CW Abominus. He was my favorite combiner.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon May 09, 2016 10:09 pm

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Cobotron wrote:Sorry, sort of off topic here, but last night I was watching Guardians of the Galaxy, it dawned on me that Hasbro might have a hard time getting a trademark on the name "Nova Prime". As there is a character named that in that movie. Kind of a bummer.
Fun Pub was able to use the name for their Nova Prime toy, and Fun Pub can only use names that Hasbro can Trademark (hence why BotCon 2012 Overlord was named "Gigatron" since Hasbro couldn't Trademark the name "Overlord").
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue May 10, 2016 8:08 am

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Sowndwave76 wrote:WJ88,

Here's how I see it:

Bruticus: For me, UW is by far better. Blast Off, Vortex, and the silver/gray Brut head alone are enough for me. And I actually really like the burnt orange/brown chest plate for Brut too.
Even with a few changes, for me it just captures the look and spirit of Bruticus.
Yeah, I'm spending twice as much (+ with PE add-ons), but for me it's totally worth it for this one. Plus I saved quite a bit by not getting UW Defensor.

Yeah, I forgot to mention Devastator since he wasnt scramble city and didnt end up with the limbs repeat problem that many find annoying about this line. I did go for the Takara UW one out of principle. The price was the same as the Hasbro one and it had so much more so even if the shipping kinda killed me, I didnt feel like settling for less. And elbows do go a long way for Scrapper (but not for Long Haul).

As for Bruticus, what you write makes perfect sense. I was never attached to the character though (I am not attached to any of these guys actually, the only G1 episode I watched with a combiner is the one where Superion has to defeat that purple griffin and that was just a few months ago just because I had to see it to believe it). So that changes my outlook greatly. What I am attached to though is the Universe Onslaught toy. And that badass toy takes colour cues from the G1 toy. So to me, the Hasbro version of Onslaught screams more Onslaught to me than the very blue Takara one. And I like the black head for Bruticus. This is my main preference, the rest of the limbs could have gone either way. I would have preffered a shuttle as an arm because I always favour new molds, but I am just not fond of how UW Blastoff turned out. I dont like his arms just being there and how his chest protrudes. It's so far off from what Takara had told us:
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If he would have looked like that, UW Bruticus would have won by such a bigger margin.

In the end, it could have gone either way for me, but I got such a sweet deal on Hasbro's Bruticus, that it was hard not to take it. And me liking the Onslaught more makes it work. I am very envious of the people who are getting those extra rotors with their UW Vortex though.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Optimizzy » Tue May 10, 2016 9:16 am

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william-james88 wrote:
Sowndwave76 wrote:WJ88,

Here's how I see it:

Bruticus: For me, UW is by far better. Blast Off, Vortex, and the silver/gray Brut head alone are enough for me. And I actually really like the burnt orange/brown chest plate for Brut too.
Even with a few changes, for me it just captures the look and spirit of Bruticus.
Yeah, I'm spending twice as much (+ with PE add-ons), but for me it's totally worth it for this one. Plus I saved quite a bit by not getting UW Defensor.

Yeah, I forgot to mention Devastator since he wasnt scramble city and didnt end up with the limbs repeat problem that many find annoying about this line. I did go for the Takara UW one out of principle. The price was the same as the Hasbro one and it had so much more so even if the shipping kinda killed me, I didnt feel like settling for less. And elbows do go a long way for Scrapper (but not for Long Haul).

As for Bruticus, what you write makes perfect sense. I was never attached to the character though (I am not attached to any of these guys actually, the only G1 episode I watched with a combiner is the one where Superion has to defeat that purple griffin and that was just a few months ago just because I had to see it to believe it). So that changes my outlook greatly. What I am attached to though is the Universe Onslaught toy. And that badass toy takes colour cues from the G1 toy. So to me, the Hasbro version of Onslaught screams more Onslaught to me than the very blue Takara one. And I like the black head for Bruticus. This is my main preference, the rest of the limbs could have gone either way. I would have preffered a shuttle as an arm because I always favour new molds, but I am just not fond of how UW Blastoff turned out. I dont like his arms just being there and how his chest protrudes. It's so far off from what Takara had told us:
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If he would have looked like that, UW Bruticus would have won by such a bigger margin.

In the end, it could have gone either way for me, but I got such a sweet deal on Hasbro's Bruticus, that it was hard not to take it. And me liking the Onslaught more makes it work. I am very envious of the people who are getting those extra rotors with their UW Vortex though.



I'm right there with you on UW Blast Off. Just doesn't look right. If the colors matched better if get it for a head swap but they don't. A shame really. Some weird design choices when it could have been great.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue May 10, 2016 10:48 am

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william-james88 wrote:As for Bruticus, what you write makes perfect sense. I was never attached to the character though (I am not attached to any of these guys actually,
This statement brings something to mind. Exactly how many of us are actually attached to any combiner for the character that any of them were?

I ask since, for at least the G1 cartoon, practically every single combiner who wasn't Computron all had the same personality: "The Hulk but less angry." Computron was the only one who wasn't like this since he was calm-minded but instead had a personality akin to RoboCop, only even more robotic.

There really wasn't that much to these guys as far as their personalities went, with the majority of their appeal being mostly the same as what makes the various Power Rangers Megazords appealing: Their visual size and appearance of being bigger robots formed by the combination of several smaller but already giant-sized robots. That, plus whatever weapons they may or may not use.

This was all similar for the Marvel Comics in which the only combiner who got any kind of real story to him besides "generic big guy who fights the enemy" was Superion, as his first outing depicted him with a personality of being unstable and out of a control, endangering several human bystanders before he finally came to his senses and stopped himself from doing further harm. And that only happened in his first appearance since he got "fixed" later, becoming just as generic a person as the other combiners.

Even on the Japanese side of things, most combiners fared no better. All the G1 cartoon combiners were just extras used to fill out fight scenes with more action in The Headmasters. Newcomer Raiden was slightly more interesting with shades of a stock anime "I must defeat you to protect my friends!" type personality but which never went any deeper than that. King Poseidon of Masterforce was just Turtler in a larger form, and he himself was just another generic evil minion.

However, Victory's combiners were a bit more interesting. Road Caesar was probably the least interesting since he, like Raiden, was your typical "good guy" type. But Landcross was the first "young" combiner who was inexperienced and reckless, so that was kinda neat and refreshing to see. While Dinoking felt kind of like a reversion to the Hulk-esque personality of the earliest combiners, he got by with the people behind Victory having a little fun with him, as he'd at times be the victim of some slapstick moments that added some humor to his portrayal, with him getting frustrated and sad quite often, making him one of the more amusing combiners. And then there was Liokaiser. HO-LY-COW, he was awesome! The first combiner to ever have his components appear individually over a period of time to let us get to know each of them before the big debut of the combined form himself showed up, and boy was he impressive! A super-powerful, competent force to be reckoned with, as well as having a very smug, superior personality, with him constantly taunting and mocking Star Saber at every turn. Just watch this video, it's probably the best first appearance for a G1-era combiner ever.

Then there were all the combiners from Return of Convoy and Operation Combination, but which were only seen in manga and story pages, so anything about their personalities was just told to us rather than shown to us. Sixliner's said to be a young guy, and an admirer of Star Convoy, but that's all we really get. And the others from Operation Combination's story pages were just kinda there, mostly just "Look! New toys to buy! Don't they look cool?!".

As far as post-G1 combiners went, the American Magnaboss and Tripredacus of Beast Wars never appeared in any fiction until this year's BotCon comic, in which no real personality for either was displayed. I have yet to watch Beast Wars Second so I'll take a raincheck on describing Japanese Magnaboss, Tripledacus, and God Neptune.

But for Car Robots/Robots in Disguise 2001, JRX/Rail Racer was kind of a "cool guy" type, but not much else to him. Baldigus/Ruination for the most part was just like Dolrailer/Mega-Octane in a larger form, being mostly stoic and militaristically formal, but one episode centered around a plan that was seemingly Dolrailer/Mega-Octane's idea, in which Baldigus/Ruination displayed a sense of rational levelheadedness and reason, as well as dismay and frustration once the plan backfired, making for a very interesting moment of seeing more side's to a combiner's personality than usual. And there was Build King/Landfill, who was basically Build Boy/Wedge in a larger form, but which made him be, like Landcross, a young and inexperienced combiner with a childish personality full of stubbornness, recklessness, impatience, cockiness, and more.

Armada had its lone combiner character in the Mini-Con combiner Perceptor, who was a mostly silent warrior and usually appeared to do something heroic like saving his friends from a tight situation. He seemed more stoic than anything. During Energon, however, he was relegated to the status of being a background extra.

Speaking of Energon, we got Superion Maximus, Bruticus Maximus, and Constructicon Maximus. Of the three, Superion Maximus was kind of noobish and young, while the other two were mostly bullish and rude. Superion Maximus also wanted vengeance for the other two's betraying him to the Decepticons, but besides that, there wasn't much else.

Skip over to Animated with its single combiner in Safeguard, who was essentially the personalities of Jetfire and Jetstorm merged together. Or at least, their voices. While the two Jet Twins each got ample characterization, their combined form of Safeguard didn't get as much, since he only formed when necessary during battle and didn't display as much of personality of his own than his components did.

I really don't think I need to bring up ROTF Devastator being mostly a mindless monstrous beast of mass destruction.

Fast forward to the Fall of Cybertron video game in which Bruticus was a big strong minion of evil, but thankfully not dumb. Just a big bad guy.

Then we go to Sanjou Gattai Tranformers Go! with the Swordbot Samurai Team and the Swordbot Shinobi Team. Most of these guys' appeal was in their looks and their fancy attack maneuvers since every form they took was your typical stock anime action hero type character who fights for honor and righteousness to save this beautiful planet and all who live on it (okay, maybe not to that extent, but had they gotten to show more of their personalities, that's most probably what they would have been like).

The Robots in Disguise 2015 cartoon gave us a rather unique take on a combiner in Chop Shop, who's a normal-sized guy instead of gigantic-sized, and that he'd rather not partake in any fight since he just wants to be left alone to favorite pastime: Stealing. He is a thief in every meaning of the word, robbing people left and right like the kleptomaniac his is. And rather than being stubborn or bloodthirsty, he's smart enough to flee the scene rather than risk being caught and locked up again, a experience he did not want to repeat (and ended up repeating anyway).
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Postby Kurona » Tue May 10, 2016 3:12 pm

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I mostly like Bruticus the most because he's the combined form of my favourite combiner team unit. The Combaticons are filled with a lot more personality than any other combiner team it seems - hell, Swindle is like the only combiner team component ever to be loved more for him than being a combiner component. When you think of Drag Strip, you mostly think "Menasor's arm". When you think Hot Spot, you mostly think "Defensor's torso". Swindle? He's remembered for a lot more than that, and I think that speaks volumes of the team. It's just such a cool little commando unit and Bruticus is another, last-stand asset in their arsenal.

Also, Defensor did have the personality of wanting to protect humankind and feeling loving towards them. I always did like that about him.

Predaking is a hunter. A vicious, single-minded hunter which is a very different and interesting take on the less-than-intelligent combiners. Rather than being "RAR I DESTROY EVERYTHING", he instead takes on a primal instinct similar to a tiger hunting it's prey. And when you're the prey of **** Predaking, well ****.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Tue May 10, 2016 9:09 pm

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Kurona wrote:
Also, Defensor did have the personality of wanting to protect humankind and feeling loving towards them. I always did like that about him.

Predaking is a hunter. A vicious, single-minded hunter which is a very different and interesting take on the less-than-intelligent combiners. Rather than being "RAR I DESTROY EVERYTHING", he instead takes on a primal instinct similar to a tiger hunting it's prey. And when you're the prey of **** Predaking, well SHIZZLESNIT.



1: When has Defensor ever shown anything like that outside of a toy bio?


2: Since when was Predaking ever like that outside of a toy box bio?
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue May 10, 2016 9:24 pm

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Deadput wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Also, Defensor did have the personality of wanting to protect humankind and feeling loving towards them. I always did like that about him.

Predaking is a hunter. A vicious, single-minded hunter which is a very different and interesting take on the less-than-intelligent combiners. Rather than being "RAR I DESTROY EVERYTHING", he instead takes on a primal instinct similar to a tiger hunting it's prey. And when you're the prey of **** Predaking, well SHIZZLESNIT.



1: When has Defensor ever shown anything like that outside of a toy bio?


2: Since when was Predaking ever like that outside of a toy box bio?


I know Predaking to be that way from that Blurr special we got a few years back:

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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Tue May 10, 2016 9:49 pm

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william-james88 wrote:As for Bruticus, what you write makes perfect sense. I was never attached to the character though (I am not attached to any of these guys actually,
This statement brings something to mind. Exactly how many of us are actually attached to any combiner for the character that any of them were?

I ask since, for at least the G1 cartoon, practically every single combiner who wasn't Computron all had the same personality: "The Hulk but less angry." Computron was the only one who wasn't like this since he was calm-minded but instead had a personality akin to RoboCop, only even more robotic.

There really wasn't that much to these guys as far as their personalities went, with the majority of their appeal being mostly the same as what makes the various Power Rangers Megazords appealing: Their visual size and appearance of being bigger robots formed by the combination of several smaller but already giant-sized robots. That, plus whatever weapons they may or may not use.

This was all similar for the Marvel Comics in which the only combiner who got any kind of real story to him besides "generic big guy who fights the enemy" was Superion, as his first outing depicted him with a personality of being unstable and out of a control, endangering several human bystanders before he finally came to his senses and stopped himself from doing further harm. And that only happened in his first appearance since he got "fixed" later, becoming just as generic a person as the other combiners.

Even on the Japanese side of things, most combiners fared no better. All the G1 cartoon combiners were just extras used to fill out fight scenes with more action in The Headmasters. Newcomer Raiden was slightly more interesting with shades of a stock anime "I must defeat you to protect my friends!" type personality but which never went any deeper than that. King Poseidon of Masterforce was just Turtler in a larger form, and he himself was just another generic evil minion.

However, Victory's combiners were a bit more interesting. Road Caesar was probably the least interesting since he, like Raiden, was your typical "good guy" type. But Landcross was the first "young" combiner who was inexperienced and reckless, so that was kinda neat and refreshing to see. While Dinoking felt kind of like a reversion to the Hulk-esque personality of the earliest combiners, he got by with the people behind Victory having a little fun with him, as he'd at times be the victim of some slapstick moments that added some humor to his portrayal, with him getting frustrated and sad quite often, making him one of the more amusing combiners. And then there was Liokaiser. HO-LY-COW, he was awesome! The first combiner to ever have his components appear individually over a period of time to let us get to know each of them before the big debut of the combined form himself showed up, and boy was he impressive! A super-powerful, competent force to be reckoned with, as well as having a very smug, superior personality, with him constantly taunting and mocking Star Saber at every turn. Just watch this video, it's probably the best first appearance for a G1-era combiner ever.

Then there were all the combiners from Return of Convoy and Operation Combination, but which were only seen in manga and story pages, so anything about their personalities was just told to us rather than shown to us. Sixliner's said to be a young guy, and an admirer of Star Convoy, but that's all we really get. And the others from Operation Combination's story pages were just kinda there, mostly just "Look! New toys to buy! Don't they look cool?!".

As far as post-G1 combiners went, the American Magnaboss and Tripredacus of Beast Wars never appeared in any fiction until this year's BotCon comic, in which no real personality for either was displayed. I have yet to watch Beast Wars Second so I'll take a raincheck on describing Japanese Magnaboss, Tripledacus, and God Neptune.

But for Car Robots/Robots in Disguise 2001, JRX/Rail Racer was kind of a "cool guy" type, but not much else to him. Baldigus/Ruination for the most part was just like Dolrailer/Mega-Octane in a larger form, being mostly stoic and militaristically formal, but one episode centered around a plan that was seemingly Dolrailer/Mega-Octane's idea, in which Baldigus/Ruination displayed a sense of rational levelheadedness and reason, as well as dismay and frustration once the plan backfired, making for a very interesting moment of seeing more side's to a combiner's personality than usual. And there was Build King/Landfill, who was basically Build Boy/Wedge in a larger form, but which made him be, like Landcross, a young and inexperienced combiner with a childish personality full of stubbornness, recklessness, impatience, cockiness, and more.

Armada had its lone combiner character in the Mini-Con combiner Perceptor, who was a mostly silent warrior and usually appeared to do something heroic like saving his friends from a tight situation. He seemed more stoic than anything. During Energon, however, he was relegated to the status of being a background extra.

Speaking of Energon, we got Superion Maximus, Bruticus Maximus, and Constructicon Maximus. Of the three, Superion Maximus was kind of noobish and young, while the other two were mostly bullish and rude. Superion Maximus also wanted vengeance for the other two's betraying him to the Decepticons, but besides that, there wasn't much else.

Skip over to Animated with its single combiner in Safeguard, who was essentially the personalities of Jetfire and Jetstorm merged together. Or at least, their voices. While the two Jet Twins each got ample characterization, their combined form of Safeguard didn't get as much, since he only formed when necessary during battle and didn't display as much of personality of his own than his components did.

I really don't think I need to bring up ROTF Devastator being mostly a mindless monstrous beast of mass destruction.

Fast forward to the Fall of Cybertron video game in which Bruticus was a big strong minion of evil, but thankfully not dumb. Just a big bad guy.

Then we go to Sanjou Gattai Tranformers Go! with the Swordbot Samurai Team and the Swordbot Shinobi Team. Most of these guys' appeal was in their looks and their fancy attack maneuvers since every form they took was your typical stock anime action hero type character who fights for honor and righteousness to save this beautiful planet and all who live on it (okay, maybe not to that extent, but had they gotten to show more of their personalities, that's most probably what they would have been like).

The Robots in Disguise 2015 cartoon gave us a rather unique take on a combiner in Chop Shop, who's a normal-sized guy instead of gigantic-sized, and that he'd rather not partake in any fight since he just wants to be left alone to favorite pastime: Stealing. He is a thief in every meaning of the word, robbing people left and right like the kleptomaniac his is. And rather than being stubborn or bloodthirsty, he's smart enough to flee the scene rather than risk being caught and locked up again, a experience he did not want to repeat (and ended up repeating anyway).


What he said.

I like my "toys" to have some back story to them. Despite being kiddy oriented, that's some aspects where the JP shows put one over the American shows (in general and not just TF)

At least some efforts for a background storyline. If you guys watch the "real" sentai live actions and compare that to Saban's you'll be surprised. It may not be Oscar winning material but you'll be surprised.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Tue May 10, 2016 9:52 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Deadput wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Also, Defensor did have the personality of wanting to protect humankind and feeling loving towards them. I always did like that about him.

Predaking is a hunter. A vicious, single-minded hunter which is a very different and interesting take on the less-than-intelligent combiners. Rather than being "RAR I DESTROY EVERYTHING", he instead takes on a primal instinct similar to a tiger hunting it's prey. And when you're the prey of **** Predaking, well SHIZZLESNIT.



1: When has Defensor ever shown anything like that outside of a toy bio?


2: Since when was Predaking ever like that outside of a toy box bio?


I know Predaking to be that way from that Blurr special we got a few years back:

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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Tue May 10, 2016 10:12 pm

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Many good points and insight...

This all reminds me that I'm more into TF's in general because of how they look.
As I said, nostalgia is a huge part of it, but I've always viewed these figures from almost an art perspective, like they're small statues that can be posed.
Since I really started collecting back in either '06 or '07, I've never really played with my figures... In fact, a lot of them have been transformed less than a few times, depending on which mode they came packaged as.
Anyway, so from an aspect of personality (for the combiners), that actually didn't matter much to me anyway...
It was more about their look.
This is also probably part of why I'm a fan of show accurate paint apps.

In terms of UW Blast Off, yeah, we're not really getting in the figure what is seen in that sketch. But as is the case with almost all of these, they have been changed to at least a small degree, and that's basically what I see here.
I don't mind his chest; I think it actually makes him look more stout and tougher, especially compared to say the helicopter-mold figures.
By the way WJ88, I totally agree, the 4 blades for Vortex look freakin' sweet.

One last thought; as much as I don't want to admit it, my wishful idea of Predaking being the same size a the current combiners may not work out-- Razorclaw would be huge compared to the rest of the Predacons, and I'm not sure that would really work. Of course anything can be made to work, but I mean it wouldn't be an ideal representation.
If Razorclaw were it's own new mold, it could be made smaller and more in proportion with the rest of the team, but then Predaking would be smaller than the other combiners. Probably not going to happen.
Just a bummer because again, with re-tooling, that would be another 5 figures that could help make others (such as the Terrorcons) more possible.
I know there was rumor that he's going to be the same size as Devy, and in the grand scheme, I'd be cool with that. If this ends up being the case, those are going to be some huge alt mode animals!
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Wed May 11, 2016 12:19 am

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Sowndwave76 wrote:Many good points and insight...

This all reminds me that I'm more into TF's in general because of how they look.
As I said, nostalgia is a huge part of it, but I've always viewed these figures from almost an art perspective, like they're small statues that can be posed.
Since I really started collecting back in either '06 or '07, I've never really played with my figures... In fact, a lot of them have been transformed less than a few times, depending on which mode they came packaged as.
Anyway, so from an aspect of personality (for the combiners), that actually didn't matter much to me anyway...
It was more about their look.
This is also probably part of why I'm a fan of show accurate paint apps.

In terms of UW Blast Off, yeah, we're not really getting in the figure what is seen in that sketch. But as is the case with almost all of these, they have been changed to at least a small degree, and that's basically what I see here.
I don't mind his chest; I think it actually makes him look more stout and tougher, especially compared to say the helicopter-mold figures.
By the way WJ88, I totally agree, the 4 blades for Vortex look freakin' sweet.

One last thought; as much as I don't want to admit it, my wishful idea of Predaking being the same size a the current combiners may not work out-- Razorclaw would be huge compared to the rest of the Predacons, and I'm not sure that would really work. Of course anything can be made to work, but I mean it wouldn't be an ideal representation.
If Razorclaw were it's own new mold, it could be made smaller and more in proportion with the rest of the team, but then Predaking would be smaller than the other combiners. Probably not going to happen.
Just a bummer because again, with re-tooling, that would be another 5 figures that could help make others (such as the Terrorcons) more possible.
I know there was rumor that he's going to be the same size as Devy, and in the grand scheme, I'd be cool with that. If this ends up being the case, those are going to be some huge alt mode animals!


Despite being a brick, G1 Predaking (my first combiner 20 years ago)which I initially despised but grew to :x )is a hard act to follow. See how several 3rd party companies have milked the base mold. If it is ever attempted (modern version), don't change the crew. Just update them with decent points of articulation and weight.If they make them too hollow and light, we get a Menasor part deux (well that piece of work has center of gravity issues as well) aka a fall down go boom robot.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Sowndwave76 » Wed May 11, 2016 4:35 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:
Despite being a brick, G1 Predaking (my first combiner 20 years ago)which I initially despised but grew to :x )is a hard act to follow. See how several 3rd party companies have milked the base mold. If it is ever attempted (modern version), don't change the crew. Just update them with decent points of articulation and weight.If they make them too hollow and light, we get a Menasor part deux (well that piece of work has center of gravity issues as well) aka a fall down go boom robot.


Well if somehow it's close the CW/UW Devastator, it'll have to be somewhat lighter, otherwise balance could be more of an issue.
I'm not sure I'd mind, but it could be a bit weird that those alt mode beasts would be enormous.
Doesn't seem too out there for construction vehicles, but a giant lion, tiger, etc....
Just doesn't sound like a completely great idea imo.

Maybe Razorclaw can be made so his hind-legs extend in torso mode so even though his individual bot mode isn't as tall as Onslaught, Scattershot, Motormaster, etc., at least Predaking would be the same height as the other combiners.
Then the limbs could still be re-tooled for other combiner limbs.

How bothered would you be if the Predacons were really updated where the bot and alt (especially the alt) modes were quite a bit different from the G1 versions?
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Wed May 11, 2016 4:58 pm

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Sowndwave76 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Despite being a brick, G1 Predaking (my first combiner 20 years ago)which I initially despised but grew to :x )is a hard act to follow. See how several 3rd party companies have milked the base mold. If it is ever attempted (modern version), don't change the crew. Just update them with decent points of articulation and weight.If they make them too hollow and light, we get a Menasor part deux (well that piece of work has center of gravity issues as well) aka a fall down go boom robot.


Well if somehow it's close the CW/UW Devastator, it'll have to be somewhat lighter, otherwise balance could be more of an issue.
I'm not sure I'd mind, but it could be a bit weird that those alt mode beasts would be enormous.
Doesn't seem too out there for construction vehicles, but a giant lion, tiger, etc....
Just doesn't sound like a completely great idea imo.

Maybe Razorclaw can be made so his hind-legs extend in torso mode so even though his individual bot mode isn't as tall as Onslaught, Scattershot, Motormaster, etc., at least Predaking would be the same height as the other combiners.
Then the limbs could still be re-tooled for other combiner limbs.

How bothered would you be if the Predacons were really updated where the bot and alt (especially the alt) modes were quite a bit different from the G1 versions?

Well, I think the alt modes themselves would be kept - at the very least for Razorclaw and Divebomb. And in the event the rest were changed... well... I don't think people would mind too much as long as it was similar enough. The thing with combiner teams is that aside from a few exceptions like Swindle, the team leaders and maybe some guys IDW has popularized like First Aid, a lot of people don't care too much about the combiner components as individuals - just as a limb or torso of the combiner.
Like, compare Highbrow to, say, Air Raid. If you're buying Highbrow, you're generally buying him for Highbrow. You don't need him to make another guy and you don't need him to fully enjoy another figure - swapping out his headmaster for another guy's headmaster can be fun, but you don't really need to do it. You're buying him for Highbrow. But Air Raid? Well... I'm sure he's got some fans. Everyone's got some fans; there'd be some people buying him because those people really like Air Raid. But for the most part, people are buying him with the intention of "Finally, another step closer to having Superion".
For the most part, people are bothered with how the combined form looks. So if say, Rampage or Headstrong is compromised and/or redesigned a bit in robot and beast mode, people likely won't mind too much because they still look fine as Predaking's legs.
Personally I'd be fine with a redesign because they don't have too much individual characterization and their designs on their own aren't exactly the most iconic, striking things ever aside from like, Razorclaw having a lion head chest and Divebomb having wings. So I can take it either way, really.
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