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Sabrblade wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Would be better & more interesting if they were the other primes, the fallen was still around so why not others?

Didn't you watch the movie? All the other Primes died except for The Fallen because they sealed The Fallen away and they sacrificed themselves to hide the Matrix in their tomb.

They didn't seal The Fallen, only the Matrix, so The Fallen wouldn't find it, IIRC.

I want it:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Would be better & more interesting if they were the other primes, the fallen was still around so why not others?

Didn't you watch the movie? All the other Primes died except for The Fallen because they sealed The Fallen away and they sacrificed themselves to hide the Matrix in their tomb.

They didn't seal The Fallen, only the Matrix, so The Fallen wouldn't find it, IIRC.

Someone did. Dude was trapped in his sarcophagus for centuries.

Can I just say first,

Va'al wrote:

She is #1, insanely perfect. I think it's fair at this point to expect Nicola Peltz near the top on next year's FHM hot list.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

CarWrapKid wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
Stinger is standing besides a normal Pagani.

Ofcourse, it makes perfect sense that a showroom would be displaying something that isn't the actual product they were selling. "Sorry but that one doesn't transform... That's just what the

Because there was only one slagging Stinger made its not hard to understand that the product they are selling are the Traxs and not the Stingers because who has the money to buy a very expensive sports car?

No one

Why would they ruin the point of Bumblebee having a new rival by having a bunch of them?

and besides there is the actual product right there in robot mode standing besides a Regular god damn Pagani which is the product by the way a transformer that turns into a pagani its like saying that irl that a transformer in robot mode is not the same product as a second figure in alt mode.

Stop over analyzing **** and stop saying that bullcrap as fact.

Why are you so offensive? Chill.
Where are the Trax they are selling, which is so clearly obvious? why is Stinger on the prototype visuals on the walls? I think you're the kettle calling the pot black, my friend.

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Drawing a line under that, I want to raise a new point to you guys;

With this new TV spot potentially suggesting that someone (the Quintessons?) is behind Lockdown's appearance and indeed created the Transformers, I want to discuss this image,



1) http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... -spot.html As discussed in this thread, there is a dinosaur (like an actual non-robot dinosaur) visible moving in the shot. Bare in mind that from what various media outlets have reported, the Dinobots are supposedly in stasis on Lockdown's ship and OP breaks them out when he escapes - which means that they aren't necessarily from Earth pre-TF4.

2) Despite the above, I'm trying to predict where this scene fits within the overall film/plot.

Either it could be Lockdown trying to bomb Optimus and the Autobots out of the Chinese countryside (with bombs that leave some weird spiky residue).

OR even more crazy, could it be the creation of Cybertron? That's pretty "out there" but I wanted to throw it forward. If Bay is implementing a storyline such as that suggested by the Built TV spot, it wouldn't be too extreme to imagine him showing us Cybertron originally as a world like ours that was somehow terraformed to be mechanical.

I'm not saying I buy that myself, just putting it out there for consideration. What do you guys think? There's a lot of food for thought in this. A moving Dinosaur in the scene suggests that it isn't modern day Earth...

Thats the first trailer to get me worried about this film.

cant stand the quints.

TBH after all the effort hasbro has gone to get the TFs origin to at least make some kind of sense im somewhat taken aback at em going this route in the film

IF indeed it is the quints. but seeing as bay cant help screwing with things its looking like thats the way its going)

The Quintesson's are known for telling lies. They could say that they built the Transformers even if Primus created them. Isn't that idea in fiction somewhere? I doubt they created the All Spark. They could have also kidnapped Transformers and upgraded them.

Or maybe, Cybertron was originally a Q colony, and Allspark was created by Primus, witch decided to bring life into Quintesson's machines? Transformers could have a complex origin, with both mystical and mysterious origin.

partholon wrote:
TBH after all the effort hasbro has gone to get the TFs origin to at least make some kind of sense im somewhat taken aback at em going this route in the film

Where could I see those spent efforts? Sorry if it sounds sarcastic, I am just really curious as to where a fan like me can see the current origin. Or is wiki still my best friend in that department?

CarWrapKid wrote:


1) http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... -spot.html As discussed in this thread, there is a dinosaur (like an actual non-robot dinosaur) visible moving in the shot. Bare in mind that from what various media outlets have reported, the Dinobots are supposedly in stasis on Lockdown's ship and OP breaks them out when he escapes - which means that they aren't necessarily from Earth pre-TF4.

Where is the dinosaur, I dont see it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:They didn't seal The Fallen, only the Matrix, so The Fallen wouldn't find it, IIRC.

Someone did. Dude was trapped in his sarcophagus for centuries.

Was this in 1 of the movie comics? I don't remember it being mentioned in RoTF.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:They didn't seal The Fallen, only the Matrix, so The Fallen wouldn't find it, IIRC.

Someone did. Dude was trapped in his sarcophagus for centuries.

Was this in 1 of the movie comics? I don't remember it being mentioned in RoTF.

Yeah, I think it was in "Defiance". ROTF itself messed up the intended state of The Fallen to be still trapped in his sarcophagus in the movie until after Megatron killed Optimus, which would have freed The Fallen. But the film made its usual 11th hour changes and made The Fallen just be sitting freely inside the Nemesis without any imprisonment.

It took John Barber to fix this with his "Convergence" stories, in which one of them explained that Soundwave went and fetched a bunch of Sentinel Prime's pillars from the Moon and gave one to The Fallen to use to break himself out of his sarcophagus prior to the ROTF movie so as to mend the continuity error the film created with its pre-movie media.

So much speculation when it might not even be the quints. "They" could be anyone, unless I missed something that actually said it was the Quints. Either way, it'll suck since the last 3 did story wise and in many other ways. But hey, give your money to Hasbro and let them make cool new figures for me.
Primus origin story is the best, but its the bayverse where the fallen is suddenly a boring regular robot who can get beaten in a fist fight instead of being the higher being disciple of Unicron. It's almost like having the silver surfer being punched out by the thing. Boooorrinngg. and surely more boring crap in TF4.

william-james88 wrote:
Where is the dinosaur, I dont see it.

Follow the link, you'll see:

CarWrapKid wrote:
Drawing a line under that, I want to raise a new point to you guys;

With this new TV spot potentially suggesting that someone (the Quintessons?) is behind Lockdown's appearance and indeed created the Transformers, I want to discuss this image,



1) http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... -spot.html As discussed in this thread, there is a dinosaur (like an actual non-robot dinosaur) visible moving in the shot. Bare in mind that from what various media outlets have reported, the Dinobots are supposedly in stasis on Lockdown's ship and OP breaks them out when he escapes - which means that they aren't necessarily from Earth pre-TF4.

2) Despite the above, I'm trying to predict where this scene fits within the overall film/plot.

Either it could be Lockdown trying to bomb Optimus and the Autobots out of the Chinese countryside (with bombs that leave some weird spiky residue).

OR even more crazy, could it be the creation of Cybertron? That's pretty "out there" but I wanted to throw it forward. If Bay is implementing a storyline such as that suggested by the Built TV spot, it wouldn't be too extreme to imagine him showing us Cybertron originally as a world like ours that was somehow terraformed to be mechanical.

I'm not saying I buy that myself, just putting it out there for consideration. What do you guys think? There's a lot of food for thought in this. A moving Dinosaur in the scene suggests that it isn't modern day Earth...

That's an excellent idea, maybe not my favorite one, but it makes sense. We've already had an organic Cybertron too, so it's less of a stretch than it seems, as a major plot point from the entire Beast Machines series is a thing I'd see them using. It definitely looks like terraforming is going on in that scene.
If it isn't, who knows? Maybe whoever are in those ships came to Earth specifically to make a new Cybertron? Considering the last movie, Cybertron is probably half destroyed, as the half that came through the bridge appeared to be. The Dino makes that iffy, though, unless it actually is a Dinobot.

CarWrapKid wrote:Can I just say first,

Va'al wrote:

She is #1, insanely perfect. I think it's fair at this point to expect Nicola Peltz near the top on next year's FHM hot list.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

CarWrapKid wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
Stinger is standing besides a normal Pagani.

Ofcourse, it makes perfect sense that a showroom would be displaying something that isn't the actual product they were selling. "Sorry but that one doesn't transform... That's just what the

Because there was only one slagging Stinger made its not hard to understand that the product they are selling are the Traxs and not the Stingers because who has the money to buy a very expensive sports car?

No one

Why would they ruin the point of Bumblebee having a new rival by having a bunch of them?

and besides there is the actual product right there in robot mode standing besides a Regular god damn Pagani which is the product by the way a transformer that turns into a pagani its like saying that irl that a transformer in robot mode is not the same product as a second figure in alt mode.

Stop over analyzing **** and stop saying that bullcrap as fact.

Why are you so offensive? Chill.
Where are the Trax they are selling, which is so clearly obvious? why is Stinger on the prototype visuals on the walls? I think you're the kettle calling the pot black, my friend.

____________________________________________________

Drawing a line under that, I want to raise a new point to you guys;

With this new TV spot potentially suggesting that someone (the Quintessons?) is behind Lockdown's appearance and indeed created the Transformers, I want to discuss this image,



1) http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... -spot.html As discussed in this thread, there is a dinosaur (like an actual non-robot dinosaur) visible moving in the shot. Bare in mind that from what various media outlets have reported, the Dinobots are supposedly in stasis on Lockdown's ship and OP breaks them out when he escapes - which means that they aren't necessarily from Earth pre-TF4.

2) Despite the above, I'm trying to predict where this scene fits within the overall film/plot.

Either it could be Lockdown trying to bomb Optimus and the Autobots out of the Chinese countryside (with bombs that leave some weird spiky residue).

OR even more crazy, could it be the creation of Cybertron? That's pretty "out there" but I wanted to throw it forward. If Bay is implementing a storyline such as that suggested by the Built TV spot, it wouldn't be too extreme to imagine him showing us Cybertron originally as a world like ours that was somehow terraformed to be mechanical.

I'm not saying I buy that myself, just putting it out there for consideration. What do you guys think? There's a lot of food for thought in this. A moving Dinosaur in the scene suggests that it isn't modern day Earth...

Because i was there during filming there was only one Pagani filmed (yes they had backups but thats it) only one unless the others are pure Cgi.


Stinger is like an elite Vehicon leading other Vehicons along with Galvatron (not saying this is fact but Stinger is unique)

Wow. People actually interested in the plot and story of a TF movie. I thought I'd always be the only one.

MINDVVIPE wrote:It's almost like having the silver surfer being punched out by the thing. Boooorrinngg.

Nerd Alert:

Bruce Banner believes Ben Grimm is the only person who could beat the Hulk in a fair fight.

Hulk DID beat Surfer in a fist fight.

QED: Thing can beat Surfer in a fist fight.

CarWrapKid wrote:Follow the link, you'll see:

Calling it now; that Dinosaur's name is Waldo.

Autobot Megatron wrote:That's an excellent idea, maybe not my favorite one, but it makes sense. We've already had an organic Cybertron too, so it's less of a stretch than it seems, as a major plot point from the entire Beast Machines series is a thing I'd see them using. It definitely looks like terraforming is going on in that scene.
If it isn't, who knows? Maybe whoever are in those ships came to Earth specifically to make a new Cybertron? Considering the last movie, Cybertron is probably half destroyed, as the half that came through the bridge appeared to be. The Dino makes that iffy, though, unless it actually is a Dinobot.

Cybertron was originally organic in the marvel comics origin too (possibly the basis for Beast Machines) Primus used his psychic powers to shape his asteroid (re: organic) prison into a metal planet. Via retcon, Cybertron was also originally organic in the G1 cartoon, at least in Japanese continuity, which sees Primus flee Primacron's base and settle within an organic planet at the center of the universe, which in time becomes cybertron (maybe thanks to the Quints using the key to vector sigma?)Interestingly, that planet is the one seen in 'Call of the primitives'

hinomars19 wrote:Via retcon, Cybertron was also originally organic in the G1 cartoon, at least in Japanese continuity, which sees Primus flee Primacron's base and settle within an organic planet at the center of the universe, which in time becomes cybertron (maybe thanks to the Quints using the key to vector sigma?)Interestingly, that planet is the one seen in 'Call of the primitives'

I hated that Retcon.

Midnight_Fox wrote:

hinomars19 wrote:Via retcon, Cybertron was also originally organic in the G1 cartoon, at least in Japanese continuity, which sees Primus flee Primacron's base and settle within an organic planet at the center of the universe, which in time becomes cybertron (maybe thanks to the Quints using the key to vector sigma?)Interestingly, that planet is the one seen in 'Call of the primitives'

I hated that Retcon.

I didn't mind it actually. As a kid I preferred the Primus story from the comics, so Takara basically making the existence of Primus canon whilst keeping the Quintesson origin story was pretty cool for me. Plus, it shows somebody did enough research to pull a load of stuff together and make it work. Of course it's pretty tentative that Primus picks and chooses when to call himself Primus or Oracle or what have you for convenience. But it pulls together the sunbow cartoon, Beast Machines, Beast wars (including II and Neo) rather nicely.

Convoluted as it is, I like it

SlyTF1 wrote:Wow. People actually interested in the plot and story of a TF movie. I thought I'd always be the only one.

G1 Soundwave: "Ehren Kruger superior, O&K inferior."

hinomars19 wrote:

Midnight_Fox wrote:

hinomars19 wrote:Via retcon, Cybertron was also originally organic in the G1 cartoon, at least in Japanese continuity, which sees Primus flee Primacron's base and settle within an organic planet at the center of the universe, which in time becomes cybertron (maybe thanks to the Quints using the key to vector sigma?)Interestingly, that planet is the one seen in 'Call of the primitives'

I hated that Retcon.

I didn't mind it actually. As a kid I preferred the Primus story from the comics, so Takara basically making the existence of Primus canon whilst keeping the Quintesson origin story was pretty cool for me. Plus, it shows somebody did enough research to pull a load of stuff together and make it work. Of course it's pretty tentative that Primus picks and chooses when to call himself Primus or Oracle or what have you for convenience. But it pulls together the sunbow cartoon, Beast Machines, Beast wars (including II and Neo) rather nicely.

Convoluted as it is, I like it

A lot of it was mostly done to reconcile Beast Machines' organic Cybertron with the Cybertron of the G1 cartoon since Takara wanted to have both of those cartoons in the same continuity (despite Cybertron somehow being no longer technorganic and back to purely technological by the time of beast wars II tens of thousands of years later).

I agree with Metro Prime. There is no way he is saying "He wants you back". There is no S after "want". I'm going to see AOE on 6/26/14 at 9:00 P.M.!

New TV spot.


Oh, no. Humans dancing.

Crosshairs sounds badass. Hound just looks and sounds more and more like Bulkhead every time I watch these trailers.

EDIT: Double post.