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I thought this deserved it's own thread.

In the trailer they act like they don't know about Megatron.

So are we to believe that NASA doesn't actually know about Megatron?

The government even keeps stuff from the government?

I can see the astronauts maybe not knowing.

I suppose so, guess S7 kept it from everyone. But then again, who could they trust anyways?
From what I read from the onyl TransFormers comic I ever owned(some random Movie Prequel), S7 tends to hire members in the family of the original 7, so maybe no-one who worked for NASA was ever one of them...

Yeah, Sector 7 was very secretive. Not even the Department of Defense knew about it, which was probably the only part of the government that should.

zenosaurus_x wrote:I suppose so, guess S7 kept it from everyone. But then again, who could they trust anyways?
From what I read from the onyl TransFormers comic I ever owned(some random Movie Prequel), S7 tends to hire members in the family of the original 7, so maybe no-one who worked for NASA was ever one of them...

The first 7? Do you think that the first S7's and the first 7 Primes are connected in some way?

The way I see it, S7 found a ship on the moon (somehow). I mean, it make sense to think (yes, I talk about sense and intelligent thinking in a conversation about a Michael Bay film) that they had no proof that it was indeed Cybetronian. As for the astronaut's reaction, well we can assume those sent on the mission weren't told much.

Well unless S7 had their tendrils entwined in NASA, this can turn out to be a pretty major plot hole.

My guesstimate would be something like this:

S7, though powerful and capable did/does not have unlimited resources. It would have been pretty hard for them to develop and fly a capsule to the moon in the 60's out of the view of the public and government and with funding going unnoticed. If I had to SPECULATE, I would say S7 discovered or had a hand in the discovery of the moon crash and clandestinely steered NASA and the country toward the moon so they could get there to find out what it was. But with so many people involved and on such a large scale there is no way people working on the moon landing could have or would have known the "true" mission as it were. I'd guess that a select few knew they were going up there to investigate something, but even so they were not told the true nature which is why, in the trailer, they respond with such surprise. For the mission to truly stay secret they would not have told them the why's but just something like "investigate an anomaly on the surface of the moon".

Anyway my point is even if S7 didnt lead the charge (due to the scope of the undertaking) Im sure they were involved. As for the astonishment of NASA, S7 would have had no reason to provide them any background as to what they were looking for or what it might be. To much information out there and it would be too easy to get leaked.

Again all speculative, oh and yes I know its fiction too.

SlyTF1 wrote:

zenosaurus_x wrote:I suppose so, guess S7 kept it from everyone. But then again, who could they trust anyways?
From what I read from the onyl TransFormers comic I ever owned(some random Movie Prequel), S7 tends to hire members in the family of the original 7, so maybe no-one who worked for NASA was ever one of them...

The first 7? Do you think that the first S7's and the first 7 Primes are connected in some way?

I think by "original 7" he meant the original 7 members of S7...there were 13 original primes, right?

Regarding NASA not knowing, I think it fits in with the establishment of S7 from the first movie. The department of defense was not aware of the Transformers so I am not too surprised that NASA didn't know.

I really don't see a plot hole in the separate discoveries. Like Rodimus Prime said, in the first film, even the Secretary of Defense didn't know about Sector 7 or NBE-1. Believe it or not, the government DOES keep things secret from other parts of the government. The CIA and FBI aren't on what would be considered full disclosure agreement. Even the President of the United States may not be informed of everything classified.

The way I see it, S7 was responsible for keeping Megatron a secret (hence the Hoover Dam being built around him) and NASA found the ship on the Moon. Remember, the NASA official who said "So we aren't alone" was saying it in real time, as the discovery was happening (at least that's the way it seemed), so as far as he knew, this WAS the first instance of contact with another species. NASA had no knowledge of Cybertronians until the Moon landing, just like the Secretary of Defense didn't discover they existed until almost 50 years later.

One thing to keep in mind, is that we don't fully know yet what they discovered on the ship that "changed our history". What they found could have been even more of a technological goldmine than Megatron was.

Joker'sRequiem wrote:I really don't see a plot hole in the separate discoveries. Like Rodimus Prime said, in the first film, even the Secretary of Defense didn't know about Sector 7 or NBE-1. Believe it or not, the government DOES keep things secret from other parts of the government. The CIA and FBI aren't on what would be considered full disclosure agreement. Even the President of the United States may not be informed of everything classified.

The way I see it, S7 was responsible for keeping Megatron a secret (hence the Hoover Dam being built around him) and NASA found the ship on the Moon. Remember, the NASA official who said "So we aren't alone" was saying it in real time, as the discovery was happening (at least that's the way it seemed), so as far as he knew, this WAS the first instance of contact with another species. NASA had no knowledge of Cybertronians until the Moon landing, just like the Secretary of Defense didn't discover they existed until almost 50 years later.

One thing to keep in mind, is that we don't fully know yet what they discovered on the ship that "changed our history". What they found could have been even more of a technological goldmine than Megatron was.

True, we know from 9/11 that agencies don't disclose or share info. It makes sense for S7 to be totally under the radar and for the SOD to be taken totally by suprise. It's a totally different deal all together for two agencies to know about the existence of alien life, and for someone in the chain of command to not get the memo about at least one of them.

And according to the spoilers whatever they found was a technological goldmine, because the spoiler says that the government makes their own set of Transformers. The Wreckers. Which would be pretty damn impressive since that's something not even Starscream was even able to do. So, that would mean that S7 was involved somehow because they had the Allspark, or there was a power source in the wreckage of the ship equivalant to the Allspark.

Exactly who is acting like they didn't know?

Chaoslock wrote:Exactly who is acting like they didn't know?

NASA/The Federal Government not knowing about Megatron prior to finding the crash site on the Moon. The OP is questioning whether NASA would've/should have known about it, because it's a seeming contradiction if you believe that governmental agencies disclose everything to each other.

F Prime wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

zenosaurus_x wrote:I suppose so, guess S7 kept it from everyone. But then again, who could they trust anyways?
From what I read from the onyl TransFormers comic I ever owned(some random Movie Prequel), S7 tends to hire members in the family of the original 7, so maybe no-one who worked for NASA was ever one of them...

The first 7? Do you think that the first S7's and the first 7 Primes are connected in some way?

I think by "original 7" he meant the original 7 members of S7...there were 13 original primes, right?

Regarding NASA not knowing, I think it fits in with the establishment of S7 from the first movie. The department of defense was not aware of the Transformers so I am not too surprised that NASA didn't know.

No, in the movies only 7 of them where Primes. Everywhere else all 13 are Primes.

Joker'sRequiem wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:Exactly who is acting like they didn't know?

NASA/The Federal Government not knowing about Megatron prior to finding the crash site on the Moon. The OP is questioning whether NASA would've/should have known about it, because it's a seeming contradiction if you believe that governmental agencies disclose everything to each other.

The trailer shows that they knew about Megatron, and the moon landing was in secret a mission to discover the space craft.

What I heard in the trailer:

Nasa guy wrote:Neil, you're on the dark of the rock. Mission is at go, you have 21 minutes.

Chaoslock wrote:

Joker'sRequiem wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:Exactly who is acting like they didn't know?

NASA/The Federal Government not knowing about Megatron prior to finding the crash site on the Moon. The OP is questioning whether NASA would've/should have known about it, because it's a seeming contradiction if you believe that governmental agencies disclose everything to each other.

The trailer shows that they knew about Megatron, and the moon landing was in secret a mission to discover the space craft.

What I heard in the trailer:

Nasa guy wrote:Neil, you're on the dark of the rock. Mission is at go, you have 21 minutes.

Wow, I can't believe I missed that line. Although, whether or not they knew about Megatron isn't clear. It's very likely that the mission, secretly, was to see if there was more than one NBE, although I do think that it could have been simply to follow up on something they detected on the dark side of the moon. We are not alone kind of fits both scenarios. Either Megatron was one of many, and thus we aren't alone, or that NASA just discovered what they believed to be the first contact with alien technology. Glad you pointed out the part about the mission though, as now I'm thinking S7 may have been behind NASA itself. Afterall, Megatron did lead to innovations that would have made space flight possible, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that Sector 7 had a clandestine hand in NASA's very creation and operation(s).

Maybe it's just the astronauts not knowing about Megatron then, cause they seem surprised, in awe of, and overwhelmed by the find.

I'm with the possibility that Sector 7 had a clandestine hand in NASA too. Or, maybe there more like a secret society and they choose which members from the various government agencies in on the secret.

SlyTF1 wrote:

F Prime wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

zenosaurus_x wrote:I suppose so, guess S7 kept it from everyone. But then again, who could they trust anyways?
From what I read from the onyl TransFormers comic I ever owned(some random Movie Prequel), S7 tends to hire members in the family of the original 7, so maybe no-one who worked for NASA was ever one of them...

The first 7? Do you think that the first S7's and the first 7 Primes are connected in some way?

I think by "original 7" he meant the original 7 members of S7...there were 13 original primes, right?

Regarding NASA not knowing, I think it fits in with the establishment of S7 from the first movie. The department of defense was not aware of the Transformers so I am not too surprised that NASA didn't know.

No, in the movies only 7 of them where Primes. Everywhere else all 13 are Primes.

You're both right...I think.
I WAS referring to the first 7 people who started Sector 7 who are mentioned in the prequel and the first movie. And Sly wondered if there was a connection between them and the 7 Primes.

On a side note, I'd really like an exact list of the first 13, so far there's only speculation...

I don't think that ANYONE knows all the Thirdteen Original Transformers.

We only know 5 members and 2 possible members.

The names of rest of The Thirdteen remains as the greatest Mystery to all Transformers fans.

It's a question no-one can truly answer. A mystery no-one can solve. Ever.

Sorry to reiterate anything anyone has already stated or answered: But, indeed it will put the previous films out of whack if S& supposedly knew about this new "Moon-bot". So I'm thinking what if what we don't see in the clip is that maybe the Russians come and steal it from the Americans and that's what the espionage angle in the movie is!? If the Russians couldn't get it down maybe that's what the MIR space station is? leave it in space and study it up there by living inside it ...it would make sense that that's why it wasn't mentioned in the other films if the Americans didn't have it, but the Russians did.