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Postby Justicity » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:17 pm

Fellow Seibertronians! I bring to you the first glimpses of my next project. A few weeks ago Noise Maker asked for help making his comic dream a reality. I came to his aid & offered my services as an artist, to which he agreed. It has been a while, & has taken a lot of effort (the current 'scraped-ideas pile' is roughly 10 times bigger than the 'accepted pile') but finally I'm ready to bring the concept art for this comic to the public eye.

I must say quickly, that everything that isn't a drawing is
the work of our fellow Seibertronian, "Noise Maker". He's the one who's been working so hard on the story & scripts, trying to get things to work, trying to fill plot holes. I've mearly been the pencil to his mind, he provided me with characters, a setting, an idea, & I followed, creating transformations & new designs for each character. So thank you Noise Maker, without you I wouldn't have a new project to inspire me to further my drawing skills & look even more deeply than the average fanboy into the Cybertron after the great reformatting.

Ladies & Gentlemen, I shall first run over the basic plot idea:

Story
The Beast Wars long finished, & with Megatron finally out of the picture, Cheetor, Blackarachnia, Silverbolt, Nightscream, Botanica & Rattrap can finally settle back on their home world after many cycles in war. But the Maximal council has other plans. The council regains control over the planet of Cybertron, deeply disturbed by the planets new technorganic nature. While many Cybertronians embraced their new beast modes some of the older warriors kept by their old ways. Maximal elders Victory Leo & Star Sabre began reformatting Maximals into vehicles tipping the Technorganic towards the organic.
Cheetor watched as the Cybertron his old leader had died to create returned to it old, unbalanced ways. Speaking with the council numerous times Cheetor tried to convey Optimus's message to them, but to no avail. Cybertron was once again split.

However the return of an old menace causes Leo & Sabre to ask Cheetor, Silverbolt, Blackarachnia & Rattrap for their support fighting yet another war on prehistoric Earth.
The 4 warriors, selected because of their time on Earth fighting Megatron, join forces with the two Autobot veterans & head for earth, leaving their new friends & old forms behind. New bodies designed for combat rather than Technorganic warfare allow the Beast Warriors to fight along side the vehicle modes of the ex-Autobots, & together they face Magmatron, his Insecticons & his generals on prehistoric Earth.

Natures chew-toy also makes an impressive come back.

Magmatron is not the only threat to Leo's force of Maximals, an old foe thought long dead returns after generations stored in computer data.



Art
Hope you enjoyed (& understood) that, now why don't you take a look at some of the art I've created so far:

Concept Designs for the transformations of the Maximals & Waspinator:
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-More Predacons to come, including the Insecticons.

Since making the initial designs (& in most cases 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th designs cause I just couldn't get it right) I've been working on some concept art sketches, very very sketchy, & not in anyway a representation of the final art quality. I have done minimal editing on these & even went through the actual drawing pretty fast for me. I wanted them to look good & represent the character & my ideal final design, but I never intended for them to look perfect.
- I have not yet found a way of drawing Cheetors head that I'm pleased with. I'm experimenting at the moment & will post his concept art when I'm happy with it.
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Here is some close up designs for their heads & rough sketches of their Beast modes. I've given Silverbolt a battle mask to follow on from his Beast Machines Samurai feel, & also so I can use both an idea similar to his original face & a representation of the concept ideas for his Transtech design. I loved his Transtech designs, but I'd also like a face the fans can recognize. For Blackarachnia I focused on making her look more mature than BM, so each of her forms represents a growth in maturity, much like with Cheetors past designs. As you can see the final design is VERY different to the first; I found the initial idea to be too close to her Beast Wars series1 form. After looking at some other Blackarachnia fan drawings I finally settled on a way of making her different. Rattrap is pretty much a return to his old feel, I never liked his BM head, it made him look too puny, which I guess was the idea. I kept the vizor/HUP as it could serve great use for plot & other such things. It also gives him a bit more facial variety.
As for Beast modes, they pretty much speak for themselves. I'll be improving the Beast modes as I go.
Right, I think it's time you got some drawings, isn't it?
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Now the drawing are out of the way, I'd like to show you something interesting. However my camera is acting up so these images will have to wait. I hope my camera works soon, I don't want to have to lego of this idea. Well until I can get some images up, you'll just have to figure out what it could be for yourself. I wonder if the photos will build on the representation of the characters...
UPDATED: scroll down to see the results of my labor.


Teaser
Anyway, I hope you like the idea & my current work. I'm going to start work on the first two pages of the comic this weekend so I'll post them as a teaser when I've got them done. Until then you'll have to make do with a text version.
Of course it's been trimmed down to make it flow better on text format, however the whole script will be used in the comic & you'll be able to read more into the characters of Leo & Sabre.

Noise Maker wrote:Victory Leo stand in a chamber of the Maximal citidel, along with Star Sabre & four Maximal prisoners. He is wearing his calm, controlling his expression-but then again, he nearly always does. The only sign that he doesn’t like what he has to do is his creased brow.
Star Sabre is incapable of hiding his feelings-his face is a mix of confusion and regret.

Victory Leo: You might think that you have been brought here to be done away with. At ease, Maximals. No matter what I think should be done with you, the Council has ordered me to bring you here for a purpose.

STAR SABRE: You’re needed by the Maximal Council to make a…special run. It is of vital importance.

LEO : There’s a chance you won’t be needed-but we need you to accompany us on the Xenoth in pursuit of an escaped criminal, just in case he’s going where we think he’s going.

VICTORY LEO: We think he’s heading for a place you should be very, very accustomed to.

STAR SABRE: We may need you to return to Earth.

The Maximals Cheetor, Blackarachnia, Silver Bolt, and Rattrap stand in a row. The Maximals are bound in energy chains, linked together. They have energy plates over their faces. They appear to have been in a fight recently. The floor they are standing on is cracked and dirty, as are the walls behind them.

VICTORY LEO: Star Sabre, I think it’s safe to take off the muzzles, now.

STAR SABRE: The chains, too?

VITORY LEO: NO.

Cheetor’s is very, very angry-and he’s not hiding it. His eyes are slits, and his mouth is in a scowl.

CHEETOR: A lot, but I’ll just start with one: Why us?

A short conversation later.

CHEETOR: We’ll do it. Now tell us everything.



Models:
Now, from my previous hints you may have guessed what I've been doing recently. To test whether the transformations would work, & to design the Insecticons, I dove into my old LEGO Technic's & started messing around, first testing with Silvebolt, who is now my favorite design, the reason he has 5 images instead of 3. A few days later & I have the whole cast, minus Magmatron (I'm using his existing design), made into lego figures, which I will now show you.

I'd like to point out that all models are FULLY TRANSFORMABLE & are totally separate, I even have an image of the whole cast together. There is some Kibble between Leo & Sabre but other than that all parts fit in the Beast/Alt modes. I may one day create animations of the transformations to make them more realistic.

I've posted images of ???(Manterror) & the insecticon's Beast modes, which are based around the insects from Starship Troopers, but I will draw them differently, using different details & colours/shades in the comics to avoid copyright issues.

Cheetor:
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Blackarachnia:
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Silverbolt:
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Rattrap:
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Victory Leo: Shown here with his attachable guns, one four barreled missile laucher, & two hip/waist mounted gatteling guns.
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Star Saber:
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Waspinator: Shown with wings & gun attached & detached.
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???: Working name is Manterror but we're currently unsure of his name. The middle shot shows his head & neck articulation in more detail.
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Bludgeon: Shown with turret attached to back & without.
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Bombshell:
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ChopShop: His head is located on his chest, if it isn't obvious enough.
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Venom: A little hard to see. If you look closely you'll see the basic design.
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Battle shot to show that they were all made separate & never had to dismantle one to make another. All are still existing & use separate parts.
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Kibble: This is everything that doesn't fit on the entire cast while in Beast/Alt mode. Leo's guns. Leo & Sabre's heads which just looked out of place on the vehicles.
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Postby Justicity » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:18 pm

I now pronounce this thread open!!! It will be edited as progress with the comic is made. Noise Maker can add anything to the first post simply by letting me know in a PM.
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Postby Skullgrin140 » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:54 pm

Wow! I love the sketches and the story is pretty cool, I look forward to seeing more.
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Postby Noise Maker » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:07 pm

Wow! Amazing! They look perfect-better than I pictured them! Totally blown away!

And you give me far too much credit-without you Waspinator wouldn't be in this comic, and planned final battle of the first arc wouldn't be half as cool. And you brought order to the mixed up, scattered thoughts of an excited writer.

This is really, really amazing! Wow-!
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Postby Malicron » Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:11 pm

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YES!!!
long live the G1/BW/BM univers!
It even looks like a good story, you can't imagin how anxius I am to see this! (I grew up on Beast Wars)
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Postby Justicity » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:52 pm

Whiner-tron wrote:YES!!!
long live the G1/BW/BM univers!
It even looks like a good story, you can't imagin how anxius I am to see this! (I grew up on Beast Wars)

Nice. Thats the reason I asked to join the project, I wanted to give the fans (of course mainly me :P ) a follow on from the kind of limp ending to Beast Machines & an actual ending to Cheetors story, give him a chance to lead without Optimus watching him all the time. I'd love to see what people like us, who were Beast Wars fans at early ages think of the finalized comic. I just hope I can please the fans :P I know how unruly we can get. :P
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Postby osiricon » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:11 pm

Diggin it! :APPLAUSE: I cant wait to read more. I love the sig with grim in the background!
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Postby Justicity » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:47 pm

osiricon wrote:Diggin it! :APPLAUSE: I cant wait to read more. I love the sig with grim in the background!

Thanks ^^ I'm thinking about making them for everyone, like a "Grims army" thing. What you think?
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Postby osiricon » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:15 pm

Where is the recruitment office? Sidn me up. ;)^
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Postby Justicity » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:18 am

osiricon wrote:Where is the recruitment office? Sidn me up. ;)^

XD
Then I'll make a thread right away. Well, later this evening, I've got to get ready for college... GYUUUUUUAAAAAAHH!!!
Sorry, I had to let out a moan, everyone else in the house is asleep so I'd wake them up if I yelled out suddenly. Why do we wake up at insane hours just to go do work???
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Postby Durgey » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:17 pm

I HAVE A GREAT IDEA FOR THE STORY! Have Magmatron bring Rampage back to life! When Rampage is brought back to life, Magmatron has no control over him and Rampage escapes!

Rampage goes on a rampage (that just SO works!) and gets to Vector Sigma. There he creates his own "children" using the dead bodies of Vehicons. Their names are; Doom, Maniac and ColdBend!

Profiles:

Rampage:
Most of you will know this psycotic dude! Except this time his alt mode is a Cybertronian Tank!

Doom:
He has inheritted his "father's" personality, attacks and brains! Except his alt mode is a Techno-organic Dragon!

Maniac:
He is SO maniacal that he dosen't even feal his opponent's attacks, he just gets back up again! His alt mode is a techno organic Allosaurus!

ColdBend:
She is the only sensible of "The Children" and does the thinking for her "family"! Her alt mode is a cybertronian Jet!
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Postby Durgey » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:25 pm

I also have another idea for the story! Near the end of the series, bring in one of transformers most powerful decepticons...

G1 Megatron!
But this time, he is Super Megatron from Battlestars Return of Convoy!
And the Autobots/maximals counter-act it with the creation of Star Convoy! (except his name will be Star Optimus)

Don't worry I won't start sending 100 story ideas everyday! Only every weak! Just kidding!
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Postby Justicity » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:46 pm

Durge344 wrote:I also have another idea for the story! Near the end of the series, bring in one of transformers most powerful decepticons...

G1 Megatron!
But this time, he is Super Megatron from Battlestars Return of Convoy!
And the Autobots/maximals counter-act it with the creation of Star Convoy! (except his name will be Star Optimus)

Don't worry I won't start sending 100 story ideas everyday! Only every weak! Just kidding!

XD Nice ideas, however I'm not the one to be talking to about the story, I'm just the art & design dude.
I'm liking the Rampage idea, I may suggest it as there is a gettaround for his death, but the two of us agreed that dead G1 characters will stay dead, unless powers such as Unicron or Primus (neither of which will appear, to my knowledge anyway) intervene. Meaning Megatron will stay dead along with any other G1 character that wasn't noted as still being functional in Beast Wars/Machines, other than the ones we've thought of. Since it was never confirmed Bludgeon died, to our knowledge, we will allow his inclusion, along with some of the insecticons (most of whom weren't even in the animated series). Our super-secret character I mentioned towards the end will be from G1 & definitely dies, however we've thought of a very cunning way to get around this, watch this space, he'll be here eventually, MwahahahaHAHAHAHA!
*cough* sorry... overacted again...
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Postby Durgey » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:14 pm

Justicity wrote:
Durge344 wrote:I also have another idea for the story! Near the end of the series, bring in one of transformers most powerful decepticons...

G1 Megatron!
But this time, he is Super Megatron from Battlestars Return of Convoy!
And the Autobots/maximals counter-act it with the creation of Star Convoy! (except his name will be Star Optimus)

Don't worry I won't start sending 100 story ideas everyday! Only every weak! Just kidding!

XD Nice ideas, however I'm not the one to be talking to about the story, I'm just the art & design dude.
I'm liking the Rampage idea, I may suggest it as there is a gettaround for his death, but the two of us agreed that dead G1 characters will stay dead, unless powers such as Unicron or Primus (neither of which will appear, to my knowledge anyway) intervene. Meaning Megatron will stay dead along with any other G1 character that wasn't noted as still being functional in Beast Wars/Machines, other than the ones we've thought of. Since it was never confirmed Bludgeon died, to our knowledge, we will allow his inclusion, along with some of the insecticons (most of whom weren't even in the animated series). Our super-secret character I mentioned towards the end will be from G1 & definitely dies, however we've thought of a very cunning way to get around this, watch this space, he'll be here eventually, MwahahahaHAHAHAHA!
*cough* sorry... overacted again...

I was actually considoring having Rampage join the Autobots. But as soon as the Autobots accept him, Maniac shoots Rampage in the back and attacks the Autobots!
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Postby Durgey » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:13 pm

Have you asked Noise Maker about my story idea?
anyway, I have made my 1st concept ideas in Nick Kelsch style avatars.
left to right; Rampage, Doom, Maniac and ColdBend
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Postby Noise Maker » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:08 pm

Interesting ideas, Durge344.

Like Justicity said, Star Convoy and Megatron will most likely remain dead. Unicron and Primus have a very slim chance in appearing, and if they do, they'll be drastically different than anyone expects. I think the two have become to much of a cliché.

The Rampage idea could definitely work...I think I can twist it, too. Yes...I'll definitely consider this.

Keep on throwing out any ideas you have. Oh, and would you like to be a co-writer as an "idea guy"? Or you could even write some pages.

Anyway, I'm glad other people are enthusiastic about this, too.
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Postby Durgey » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:48 am

Noise Maker wrote:Interesting ideas, Durge344.

Like Justicity said, Star Convoy and Megatron will most likely remain dead. Unicron and Primus have a very slim chance in appearing, and if they do, they'll be drastically different than anyone expects. I think the two have become to much of a cliché.

The Rampage idea could definitely work...I think I can twist it, too. Yes...I'll definitely consider this.

Keep on throwing out any ideas you have. Oh, and would you like to be a co-writer as an "idea guy"? Or you could even write some pages.

Anyway, I'm glad other people are enthusiastic about this, too.

I'm your man! er... bot! er... idea guy! er... man!
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Postby Justicity » Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:31 am

Hey guys, new images up on the first page. Check out the MODELS section.
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Postby Sentinel Pax » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:31 am

Just so you know, that Silverbolt design is the best thing ever. Great job with the Bionicle models, too!
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Postby Justicity » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:15 am

Sentinel Pax wrote:Just so you know, that Silverbolt design is the best thing ever. Great job with the Bionicle models, too!

Thanks ^^
I really love the Silverbolt figure, hell I'm not going to even pretend I'm not big headed about that, I made it, & It's great! I really want to repaint the LEGO & mold some pieces on so It looks even more like the design. Yay for people liking my designs ^^


Oh, Update, I've drawn frame one of the first page, much much detail. Sadly panel two will have to wait for tomorrow, I'm off for the evening now. I'm thinking I'll get through a panel or two every two days.
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Postby Noise Maker » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:48 pm

Wow...those Bionicle models look amazing! Out of all of them, I think Bludgeon is my favorite. They all look amazing, but he just seems extra-awesome to me.

I'm very impressed with your ability to map out transformations so well. Really, you have a lot to be proud of.

Can't wait to see some of page one1
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Postby Durgey » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:22 pm

Do you think it would be good idea to have time travelling involved with the series... What about characters from alt universes?
Maybe only just once EVER! How about the Decepticons/Predacons collide with the RID Predacons...
It would be pretty awsome... Predacons, Predacons and Decepticons!
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Postby Malicron » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:16 pm

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It already has time travel, how else would they get to pre-historic earth?
As for including the RID universe that would require something like the twister from “Number of the Beast”, wouldn’t it?
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Postby Justicity » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:17 pm

Hrrrm, No RiD universe. Not only would that need some freak explanation, but also we're trying to keep this much like Beast Wars, Beast Machines & The Gathering, simple to understand, in dept character development, easy to draw (most important :P ), blah blah blah. So I have to agree with 'tron.

As for Predacons/Decepticons the time travel in Beast Wars has always been like in Dr Who, it's difficult to cross time paths. Yes Megatron does it with the sleeping G1 bots, but that can be explained by heavy influence from the Golden Disk. Yes The Preds go back to the Beast Wars in The Gathering, but this is also explained, & Magmatron makes precautions so as not to effect the past. The Transwarp technology was designed with limitation, so it would be improbable for one to go back & affect ones own past.
This is also a follow on from Beast Machines, meaning it is meant to be written as if cannon. Going back in time & effecting the Decepticons would compromise the continuity, & continuity is very important to the success of the comic & personally, I'm going to be putting a lot of effort into this comic, especially as this next year is Senior Year for me, so include this to my already hectic schedule of work, I have a lot to do. I'm not saying I don't want to do this, I asked to help because I really want to do something like this but I can't script serious stuff, I just don't want to do this without doing it properly. I really would like this to be a success & for it to boost my art status not only on the Internet but possibly professionally. I doubt Noise has though of this before but If this turns out really good we could get it published. I know someone who's got their own comic published, when we've finished, or got a good way through, I could ask him how he did it, possibly, you know... Don't take that the wrong way, I want to have fun making this, & I'm not in it with an intent to get it published or anything, It just occurred to me that this could be a serious boost, especially as College is coming up.

Sorry, I didn't realize how much I'd written there XD
My point is yes this is a comic for the fans, & yes there are A LOT of G1 fans who'd like to see the original Transformers cast in everything, but you can't have the same things every time. Hell I was very tempted to ask Noise to find a way to bring Optimus Primal back, just because I thought It'd be weird without him & any Beast Wars series should have him, but I stopped because that would really mess up the comic.

So to summarize, no more G1 characters, no time travel more than CybertronBeast Wars Earth, no fan pleaser's. If we do this solely to appeal to G1 & Beast Wars fanboys then we might as well just write a Beast Wars/G1 crossover & forget continuity. In fact I think we should get some more original characters.
I'd like to quickly suggest to Noise (underlined so he can see this) that after the big battle at the end of the earth part of the series we kill of some major characters, don't discuss it here, should keep it secret, but maybe get new followers for Magmatron, maybe a fatal disaster on the Maximal side? What you think? Then I could get a chance to design completely new characters, no prompts, apart from your suggestions of course! Yay! Lets discuss it in the next PM.
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Postby Durgey » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:25 am

I don't really like Optimus Primal.
I find him rather annoying...
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #348 - Uno
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