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[oldskooltf]

If it had nothing to do with Sari why is it she seemed to be triggering the Flashbacks throughout the whole episode?

She didn't trigger all of them.

First Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee and Bulkhead can't get communication to Cybertron and Bumblebee complains about not having Teletran One cause they lost the ship. Ratchet says they lost more than just a ship, they lost a friend (Omega). Start flashback -- the one that shows us Ratchet talking to Ultra Magnus about Arcee and we see Arcee's head open.

Second Flash Back Trigger: Sari says to Ratchet that she's sure he was a great Medi-bot way back. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus tells Ratchet not to worry since Arcee won't be able to feel a thing, Ratchet is working on her brain or something. The access code is somehow transferred to Ratchet and then they go to the room where Omega is being built.

Third Flash Back Trigger: Bulkhead says to Ratchet "no offense doc bot, but I could really use that key". Sari uses key to heal Bulkhead. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus explains what Omega Supreme is/will be and how Ratchet must put the code in him that he got from Arcee. Perceptor explains the simple processor of Omega Supreme. Ratchet thinks it's so Omega can cause tons of destruction without thinking about it too much. Ratchet has to be Omega's mentor bot now (instead of Arcee) and relunctantly (it seems) sends the code or whatever it is into Omega. Omega is born (?) and speaks. Ratchet says he is his friend.

Fourth Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee is badly hurt and needs fixed. Ratchet is there but Bulkhead says they need Sari's key. Ratchet says he doesn't need no stinking key and Prime assures Bulkhead that Ratchet knows what he's doing. Rachet is hold jumper cables looking down at Bumblebee. Start flashback -- Omega is badly hurt. Ratchet says he's going to put him in a modified stasis and asks him to transform. We hear the whole we do things sometimes even when it doesn't make sense.

So... what seems to be the continuity in these flashbacks? It's not about Sari, but rather seems to me to be about Ratchet and his skills as a medi-bot and a previous mentor and roll player to Omega Supreme. Hence why we see Ratchet talking to Omega (being controlled by Starscream) and actually getting through to him.

Is it possible that Sari could be Arcee -- I guess anything's possible. Maybe Bumblebee is actually Sari's brother. I have no idea and only the writers know.

I think there's more evidence and hints that the creation of the AllSpark is tied into Sari than there are any evidence that Arcee is Sari. Plus we've seen we're getting an Arcee toy -- would they make a toy in the same form of a character that we only see in flashbacks but now is in a totally different form? I guess anythings possible, but again... my opinion is that Sari does not equal Arcee. I just don't see it.

[Saber Prime]

Percptors voice reminds me of Steven Hawkins from Futurama or a Speak-N-Spell.

First of all Steven Hawkins is not by any means "from" Futurama. He's a real person who's appeared on several TV shows and movies and he's been said to be the most inteligent man alive in our time.

Secondly there's no "or" about it. Steven uses a Speak-N-Spell or some simular device to talk with. He's not capable of speech without it.

Last, I can't tell if you were being rude or just really didn't know but it allmost seemed like you were makeing fun of Mr. Hawkins for being handi caped. That may not be the case but if it is... well his body may be completly parilized except for the hand he uses to type with but he's still more inteligent than anyone here.

I liked Red Alert and he seems ok as a female if they do him right as a Female at least he is still intellegent and also remains a medic so all they did was change him form a male to female autobot but basically left his personality intact.

You're verry confusing. Why do you keep refering to her as a male when you're clearly aware that Red Alert is a female.

Oh and that's probly the worst thing I've ever seen on this series. Robot sex changes. They're not so bad when they occur over seas but when the character has been Male sence G1 in the US and suddenly is a girl after 25 some odd years, that's just creepy.

[Saber Prime]

If it had nothing to do with Sari why is it she seemed to be triggering the Flashbacks throughout the whole episode?

She didn't trigger all of them.

Oh no, try re-examining what was happening.

First Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee and Bulkhead can't get communication to Cybertron and Bumblebee complains about not having Teletran One cause they lost the ship. Ratchet says they lost more than just a ship, they lost a friend (Omega). Start flashback -- the one that shows us Ratchet talking to Ultra Magnus about Arcee and we see Arcee's head open.

Second Flash Back Trigger: Sari says to Ratchet that she's sure he was a great Medi-bot way back. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus tells Ratchet not to worry since Arcee won't be able to feel a thing, Ratchet is working on her brain or something. The access code is somehow transferred to Ratchet and then they go to the room where Omega is being built.

Ratchet was examining Sari's arm durring both these events and right before the second one asked her if he could take a closer look. (not his exact words but that's basically what he ment.)

Third Flash Back Trigger: Bulkhead says to Ratchet "no offense doc bot, but I could really use that key". Sari uses key to heal Bulkhead. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus explains what Omega Supreme is/will be and how Ratchet must put the code in him that he got from Arcee. Perceptor explains the simple processor of Omega Supreme. Ratchet thinks it's so Omega can cause tons of destruction without thinking about it too much. Ratchet has to be Omega's mentor bot now (instead of Arcee) and relunctantly (it seems) sends the code or whatever it is into Omega. Omega is born (?) and speaks. Ratchet says he is his friend.

Fourth Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee is badly hurt and needs fixed. Ratchet is there but Bulkhead says they need Sari's key. Ratchet says he doesn't need no stinking key and Prime assures Bulkhead that Ratchet knows what he's doing. Rachet is hold jumper cables looking down at Bumblebee. Start flashback -- Omega is badly hurt. Ratchet says he's going to put him in a modified stasis and asks him to transform. We hear the whole we do things sometimes even when it doesn't make sense.

That's really the only one where Sari Physically there to trigger anything but they were still talking about her and the key.

So... what seems to be the continuity in these flashbacks? It's not about Sari, but rather seems to me to be about Ratchet and his skills as a medi-bot and a previous mentor and roll player to Omega Supreme. Hence why we see Ratchet talking to Omega (being controlled by Starscream) and actually getting through to him.

See what doesn't make sence about that theory is while it would seem someone was in need of repairs each time as well as Sari being involved non of the flash backs had anything to do with him being a medic.

They were more about Arcee and his relationship with Omega Supreme than anything else. The only time he's seen doing anything as a medic is in the verry begining with Arcee and at the end when he finally put OS into a modified Stasis.

I think there's more evidence and hints that the creation of the AllSpark is tied into Sari than there are any evidence that Arcee is Sari. Plus we've seen we're getting an Arcee toy -- would they make a toy in the same form of a character that we only see in flashbacks but now is in a totally different form? I guess anythings possible, but again... my opinion is that Sari does not equal Arcee. I just don't see it.

They made a toy Megatron's cybertronian mode, hell they made 3 or 4 different versions of that form and it was on screen for all of 10 sec. (in vehicle mode at least) If they're going to make a toy of that, then yes they'll make a toy of Arcee despite the fact we only see her in flashbacks.

If you really think about it, Blurr has a toy and he's been in all of 4 episodes and will never be seen again. To me that's a blessing sence I can't stand his voice. I liked him better in Valocity.

Even more to the point they've appearn't decided to make only the Earth mode Elite Guard when they only appeared in 3 episodes at the begining of season 3 and as evidence by the Wasp episode they've all reverted to their original Cybertronian modes sence then and may not ever use their Earth bound modes again.

Basically. We've seen more of Cybertron mode Sentinal Prime than Megatron yet Megatron has multiple different toys and Sentinal doesn't have any.

We've allso seen, not 1, not 2, but 3 different Transformers with the same mold in the cartoon and that mold has not been made into a toy yet. (Cybertron Mode Bumblbebee, Cliffjumper, and Wasp.) This is probly the one Cybertronian mold that has been seen the most on the cartoon because of the multiple transformers shareing it and it doesn't get a toy yet several characters with short cameos get toys.

This is probly the worst toy line ever because of this and because most of the designs look like hell anyway.

I really think they should start a new "Cybertroian" toy line and just fill it with all the TFs from past series who scaned new forms on Earth. (that is to exsclude TFs who were built on Earth or never gained an Earth mode in the first place.)

[cybercat]

First of all Steven Hawkins is not by any means "from" Futurama. He's a real person who's appeared on several TV shows and movies and he's been said to be the most inteligent man alive in our time.

Secondly there's no "or" about it. Steven uses a Speak-N-Spell or some simular device to talk with. He's not capable of speech without it.

Think you mean Stephen Hawking? Guy who wrote _Brief History of Time_? Theoretical physicist?

If you're trying to dime someone, it's helpful to get the guy's name right, so your victim can google him. And then grovel in shame.

HK, spelling names is about all I'm good for.

[Saber Prime]

First of all Steven Hawkins is not by any means "from" Futurama. He's a real person who's appeared on several TV shows and movies and he's been said to be the most inteligent man alive in our time.

Secondly there's no "or" about it. Steven uses a Speak-N-Spell or some simular device to talk with. He's not capable of speech without it.

Think you mean Stephen Hawking? Guy who wrote _Brief History of Time_? Theoretical physicist?

If you're trying to dime someone, it's helpful to get the guy's name right, so your victim can google him. And then grovel in shame.

HK, spelling names is about all I'm good for.

I can't spell worth crap. I copied his spelling.

[oldskooltf]

If it had nothing to do with Sari why is it she seemed to be triggering the Flashbacks throughout the whole episode?

She didn't trigger all of them.

Oh no, try re-examining what was happening.

First Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee and Bulkhead can't get communication to Cybertron and Bumblebee complains about not having Teletran One cause they lost the ship. Ratchet says they lost more than just a ship, they lost a friend (Omega). Start flashback -- the one that shows us Ratchet talking to Ultra Magnus about Arcee and we see Arcee's head open.

Second Flash Back Trigger: Sari says to Ratchet that she's sure he was a great Medi-bot way back. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus tells Ratchet not to worry since Arcee won't be able to feel a thing, Ratchet is working on her brain or something. The access code is somehow transferred to Ratchet and then they go to the room where Omega is being built.

Ratchet was examining Sari's arm durring both these events and right before the second one asked her if he could take a closer look. (not his exact words but that's basically what he ment.)

Third Flash Back Trigger: Bulkhead says to Ratchet "no offense doc bot, but I could really use that key". Sari uses key to heal Bulkhead. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus explains what Omega Supreme is/will be and how Ratchet must put the code in him that he got from Arcee. Perceptor explains the simple processor of Omega Supreme. Ratchet thinks it's so Omega can cause tons of destruction without thinking about it too much. Ratchet has to be Omega's mentor bot now (instead of Arcee) and relunctantly (it seems) sends the code or whatever it is into Omega. Omega is born (?) and speaks. Ratchet says he is his friend.

Fourth Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee is badly hurt and needs fixed. Ratchet is there but Bulkhead says they need Sari's key. Ratchet says he doesn't need no stinking key and Prime assures Bulkhead that Ratchet knows what he's doing. Rachet is hold jumper cables looking down at Bumblebee. Start flashback -- Omega is badly hurt. Ratchet says he's going to put him in a modified stasis and asks him to transform. We hear the whole we do things sometimes even when it doesn't make sense.

That's really the only one where Sari Physically there to trigger anything but they were still talking about her and the key.

So... what seems to be the continuity in these flashbacks? It's not about Sari, but rather seems to me to be about Ratchet and his skills as a medi-bot and a previous mentor and roll player to Omega Supreme. Hence why we see Ratchet talking to Omega (being controlled by Starscream) and actually getting through to him.

See what doesn't make sence about that theory is while it would seem someone was in need of repairs each time as well as Sari being involved non of the flash backs had anything to do with him being a medic.

They were more about Arcee and his relationship with Omega Supreme than anything else. The only time he's seen doing anything as a medic is in the verry begining with Arcee and at the end when he finally put OS into a modified Stasis.

I think there's more evidence and hints that the creation of the AllSpark is tied into Sari than there are any evidence that Arcee is Sari. Plus we've seen we're getting an Arcee toy -- would they make a toy in the same form of a character that we only see in flashbacks but now is in a totally different form? I guess anythings possible, but again... my opinion is that Sari does not equal Arcee. I just don't see it.

They made a toy Megatron's cybertronian mode, hell they made 3 or 4 different versions of that form and it was on screen for all of 10 sec. (in vehicle mode at least) If they're going to make a toy of that, then yes they'll make a toy of Arcee despite the fact we only see her in flashbacks.

If you really think about it, Blurr has a toy and he's been in all of 4 episodes and will never be seen again. To me that's a blessing sence I can't stand his voice. I liked him better in Valocity.

Even more to the point they've appearn't decided to make only the Earth mode Elite Guard when they only appeared in 3 episodes at the begining of season 3 and as evidence by the Wasp episode they've all reverted to their original Cybertronian modes sence then and may not ever use their Earth bound modes again.

Basically. We've seen more of Cybertron mode Sentinal Prime than Megatron yet Megatron has multiple different toys and Sentinal doesn't have any.

We've allso seen, not 1, not 2, but 3 different Transformers with the same mold in the cartoon and that mold has not been made into a toy yet. (Cybertron Mode Bumblbebee, Cliffjumper, and Wasp.) This is probly the one Cybertronian mold that has been seen the most on the cartoon because of the multiple transformers shareing it and it doesn't get a toy yet several characters with short cameos get toys.

This is probly the worst toy line ever because of this and because most of the designs look like hell anyway.

I really think they should start a new "Cybertroian" toy line and just fill it with all the TFs from past series who scaned new forms on Earth. (that is to exsclude TFs who were built on Earth or never gained an Earth mode in the first place.)

I'll admit where I'm wrong. You're right about the toys... they made a Cybertronian toy for both Prime and Megatron even though it was only in one episode and they're making/made a Samuri Prowl toy based on one episode.

I still don't get your whole trigger argument.

Just because Sari is in the area before Flashback 1 & 4 does not mean she's the trigger. Prime was also around the area before each trigger yet no one is claiming he has any relation to Arcee nor Omega. Also... the 4th flashback has nothing to do with Arcee at all.

Furthermore even if Sari's a trigger to a flashback (the 2nd and 3rd one) doesn't mean the past events shown in the flashbacks relate to her. For example, I could see someone driving a red car and it trigger a flashback of when I almost got hit by a red car as a kid (I'm making this up). The person driving the red car in the present has no relationship to the person driving the red car in the flashback. Nor does it have to be the same brand of car.

The flashbacks in "Thrill of the Hunt" were to show us how Ratchet had a past history with Lockdown and to explain the EMP generator. Yes, Arcee was part of that history, but not the focus of it.

The flashbacks in "Transwarped" are to explain how Ratchet considers Omega Supreme a friend and how that "friendship" allows Ratchet to stop Starscream temporarily from using Omega to destroy the autobots on earth (and later Screamer decides to leave for Cybertron). Again, yes Arcee is part of the first flashbacks, and mentioned in the third, but doesn't have anything to do with the 4th at all. She's not the main focus of the sum of them.

So... I just don't understand how these flashbacks can make us deduce that Sari = Arcee. That's quite a stretch.

It's an idea, yes... one that people had thought of out of the blue from season 2 among many other ideas. You could just as easily guess that Sari was made by the Elite Guard as another secret project to battle the decepticons since we now know Omega's origin from these flashbacks. But none of those theories are conclusive. None have much support. They're just shot-in-the-dark theories.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion... so feel free to believe what you want.

[Sabrblade]

I liked Red Alert and he seems ok as a female if they do him right as a Female at least he is still intellegent and also remains a medic so all they did was change him form a male to female autobot but basically left his personality intact.

You're verry confusing. Why do you keep refering to her as a male when you're clearly aware that Red Alert is a female.

Oh and that's probly the worst thing I've ever seen on this series. Robot sex changes. They're not so bad when they occur over seas but when the character has been Male sence G1 in the US and suddenly is a girl after 25 some odd years, that's just creepy.

Guys, this Red Alert was always meant to be a female since the beginning of Animated.

She was orginally going to be part of the main team instead of Ratchet, and Bulkhead would've had Ratchet's personality.

This was also back when Hot Shot would've been on the team instead of Bumblebee.

This is not the same character as G1 Red Alert, it's just a recycled name. And a rather gender-neutral one at that. So I don't see any problem with this.

[Rodimus2006]

Sorry didnt mean to be confusing about my Red Alert details I am just saying they changed the sex of Red Alert from Male to Female but basically she is the same as previous counterparts of Red Alerts from the past.

Yes I know who Steven Hawkins is and yes I know he isnt exclusive to Futurama as they just have him on there as A Celeberity Cameo sort of like with Richard Nixon and Lucy Lui.

Also Hawkins was also in Family Guy and I think also in the Simpsons.

He is like some sort of Super Genuis specializing on Realitivity Theories.

His voice is also is through some sort of Voice Processor that sounds like a Speak-N-Spell the way they Had Procepter Speaking.

Were they any Generation 1 voice actors in Animated cause I watched Transwarped again and I noticed alot of voices sounding very similar towards thier G1 counterparts.

I know Blurr and Arcee both use the same voice actors as they were in Generation 1.

That was so cool how Blurr Ran Really fast went up the Rock Ramp and got a boost of of Thundercrackers head (The Intellegent One) then he ran basically faster than the speed of light all the way to Cybertron and basically meet his supposed untimely demise at a sick-and demented Shocwave/Long Arm Prime.

Shockwave's voice also sounds similar to his G1 counterpart as Ultramganus does not as he was voiced bye Robert Stack who is now deceased he also use to host Unsolved Mysteries and was in Caddy Shack 2.

I hope that Megatron becomes Galvatron someway in later episodes but I was kinda of hoping that Galvatron would be a seperate character instead of always being just an upgraded Megatron like in previous shows.

If it is done like that I hope it is done diffrently with a new twist and his body should be painted Purple and Black but looks the same as Megatron does now just with a new pain scheme and upgraded weapons.

How cool is that Stan Bush is making a revisioned Theme of the Touch for Revenge of the Fallen I am guessing it will be totally diffent that its 1986 counterpart also maybe more Guitary and some techno music style to fit the feel of the Live Action movie.

Also I hope they change the Movie Theme of it done bye Mute-Math as it was not as epic as the 1986 theme done bye White Lion was.

Also another thing about Stan Bush he also did music for Sailor Moon a song called The Power of Love and he done other songs such as in the Van Damme movies such as Blood Sport (On My Own).

[Newtilator]

BLURR!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
i USED TO THINK LONGARM WAS COOL!! I WAS GOING TO BUY HIM, BUT MY MONEY GOES TO BLURR... In mourning..
I hope he comes back somehow..
At least we get JaAm Burna, Blackout, Licker and Waspy.
I loved the ep. Its getting a little darker i fancy, deaths and puberty.
Starscream is internet king! First "This..IS..YOUR FAULT!!!" followed imediately by Shoop da woop!
Where are Blitzwing and Lugnut? I misss them.
Blurr running on saturns rings ROCKED

[Newtilator]

Oops-e-doop..

[Saber Prime]

If it had nothing to do with Sari why is it she seemed to be triggering the Flashbacks throughout the whole episode?

She didn't trigger all of them.

Oh no, try re-examining what was happening.

First Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee and Bulkhead can't get communication to Cybertron and Bumblebee complains about not having Teletran One cause they lost the ship. Ratchet says they lost more than just a ship, they lost a friend (Omega). Start flashback -- the one that shows us Ratchet talking to Ultra Magnus about Arcee and we see Arcee's head open.

Second Flash Back Trigger: Sari says to Ratchet that she's sure he was a great Medi-bot way back. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus tells Ratchet not to worry since Arcee won't be able to feel a thing, Ratchet is working on her brain or something. The access code is somehow transferred to Ratchet and then they go to the room where Omega is being built.

Ratchet was examining Sari's arm durring both these events and right before the second one asked her if he could take a closer look. (not his exact words but that's basically what he ment.)

Third Flash Back Trigger: Bulkhead says to Ratchet "no offense doc bot, but I could really use that key". Sari uses key to heal Bulkhead. Start flashback -- Ultra Magnus explains what Omega Supreme is/will be and how Ratchet must put the code in him that he got from Arcee. Perceptor explains the simple processor of Omega Supreme. Ratchet thinks it's so Omega can cause tons of destruction without thinking about it too much. Ratchet has to be Omega's mentor bot now (instead of Arcee) and relunctantly (it seems) sends the code or whatever it is into Omega. Omega is born (?) and speaks. Ratchet says he is his friend.

Fourth Flash Back Trigger: Bumblebee is badly hurt and needs fixed. Ratchet is there but Bulkhead says they need Sari's key. Ratchet says he doesn't need no stinking key and Prime assures Bulkhead that Ratchet knows what he's doing. Rachet is hold jumper cables looking down at Bumblebee. Start flashback -- Omega is badly hurt. Ratchet says he's going to put him in a modified stasis and asks him to transform. We hear the whole we do things sometimes even when it doesn't make sense.

That's really the only one where Sari Physically there to trigger anything but they were still talking about her and the key.

So... what seems to be the continuity in these flashbacks? It's not about Sari, but rather seems to me to be about Ratchet and his skills as a medi-bot and a previous mentor and roll player to Omega Supreme. Hence why we see Ratchet talking to Omega (being controlled by Starscream) and actually getting through to him.

See what doesn't make sence about that theory is while it would seem someone was in need of repairs each time as well as Sari being involved non of the flash backs had anything to do with him being a medic.

They were more about Arcee and his relationship with Omega Supreme than anything else. The only time he's seen doing anything as a medic is in the verry begining with Arcee and at the end when he finally put OS into a modified Stasis.

I think there's more evidence and hints that the creation of the AllSpark is tied into Sari than there are any evidence that Arcee is Sari. Plus we've seen we're getting an Arcee toy -- would they make a toy in the same form of a character that we only see in flashbacks but now is in a totally different form? I guess anythings possible, but again... my opinion is that Sari does not equal Arcee. I just don't see it.

They made a toy Megatron's cybertronian mode, hell they made 3 or 4 different versions of that form and it was on screen for all of 10 sec. (in vehicle mode at least) If they're going to make a toy of that, then yes they'll make a toy of Arcee despite the fact we only see her in flashbacks.

If you really think about it, Blurr has a toy and he's been in all of 4 episodes and will never be seen again. To me that's a blessing sence I can't stand his voice. I liked him better in Valocity.

Even more to the point they've appearn't decided to make only the Earth mode Elite Guard when they only appeared in 3 episodes at the begining of season 3 and as evidence by the Wasp episode they've all reverted to their original Cybertronian modes sence then and may not ever use their Earth bound modes again.

Basically. We've seen more of Cybertron mode Sentinal Prime than Megatron yet Megatron has multiple different toys and Sentinal doesn't have any.

We've allso seen, not 1, not 2, but 3 different Transformers with the same mold in the cartoon and that mold has not been made into a toy yet. (Cybertron Mode Bumblbebee, Cliffjumper, and Wasp.) This is probly the one Cybertronian mold that has been seen the most on the cartoon because of the multiple transformers shareing it and it doesn't get a toy yet several characters with short cameos get toys.

This is probly the worst toy line ever because of this and because most of the designs look like hell anyway.

I really think they should start a new "Cybertroian" toy line and just fill it with all the TFs from past series who scaned new forms on Earth. (that is to exsclude TFs who were built on Earth or never gained an Earth mode in the first place.)

I'll admit where I'm wrong. You're right about the toys... they made a Cybertronian toy for both Prime and Megatron even though it was only in one episode and they're making/made a Samuri Prowl toy based on one episode.

I still don't get your whole trigger argument.

Just because Sari is in the area before Flashback 1 & 4 does not mean she's the trigger. Prime was also around the area before each trigger yet no one is claiming he has any relation to Arcee nor Omega. Also... the 4th flashback has nothing to do with Arcee at all.

Furthermore even if Sari's a trigger to a flashback (the 2nd and 3rd one) doesn't mean the past events shown in the flashbacks relate to her. For example, I could see someone driving a red car and it trigger a flashback of when I almost got hit by a red car as a kid (I'm making this up). The person driving the red car in the present has no relationship to the person driving the red car in the flashback. Nor does it have to be the same brand of car.

The flashbacks in "Thrill of the Hunt" were to show us how Ratchet had a past history with Lockdown and to explain the EMP generator. Yes, Arcee was part of that history, but not the focus of it.

The flashbacks in "Transwarped" are to explain how Ratchet considers Omega Supreme a friend and how that "friendship" allows Ratchet to stop Starscream temporarily from using Omega to destroy the autobots on earth (and later Screamer decides to leave for Cybertron). Again, yes Arcee is part of the first flashbacks, and mentioned in the third, but doesn't have anything to do with the 4th at all. She's not the main focus of the sum of them.

So... I just don't understand how these flashbacks can make us deduce that Sari = Arcee. That's quite a stretch.

It's an idea, yes... one that people had thought of out of the blue from season 2 among many other ideas. You could just as easily guess that Sari was made by the Elite Guard as another secret project to battle the decepticons since we now know Omega's origin from these flashbacks. But none of those theories are conclusive. None have much support. They're just shot-in-the-dark theories.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion... so feel free to believe what you want.

Last time I saw a theory for Sari = Arcee was more like Sari = Arsi seriosly the entire theory was based off a accronym that's not even spelled correctly.

This actully has some evidence to suport it. And the Optimus Prime analigy is a poor one sence Optimus had no involvement what so ever in triggering Ratchet's flash backs. Sari on the other hand was actully interacting with Ratchet each time except for the last one when they only talked about her key.

And as I said before what the flash backs were showing has nothing to do with the Sari/Arcee link, it's just the triggering of the flash backs that seems a little off key.

The flash backs themselfs were just setting up the story to show how Ratchet would later be able to help Omega Supreme regain controll from the Decepticons. It was more than just them being friends, Omega Supreme and Ratchet are linked some how via the access codes he got from Arcee.

At any rate that's another issue there. That seems like alot of work only to show such a small part in the episode. We allready knew Ratchet and Omega Supreme were friends would it of made any difference if we never saw any of thoughs flash backs. Probly would of made more time for the other storys going on at the same time but the whole origin of Omega Supreme thing by itself was really unnessisary for that episode unless they were showing us something more than the obvious with it.

I really think the flash backs are just the begineing to revial some unanswered questions. What did happen to Arcee and where did Sari come from. Two questions that are left unanswered and broght up at the exact same time. Sure it's a bit of a stretch but I really think the whole flash back thing was just forshadowing of things to come.

There's a conection between thoughs two unanswered questions and that conection seems to be pointing to Sari is Arcee.

[Sabrblade]

Were they any Generation 1 voice actors in Animated cause I watched Transwarped again and I noticed alot of voices sounding very similar towards thier G1 counterparts.

I know Blurr and Arcee both use the same voice actors as they were in Generation 1.

All of the following are voiced by their G1 actors in this series:

• Blurr - John Moschitta
• Arcee - Susan Blu
• Rodimus Prime - Judd Nelson (G1 movie only)
• Shockwave - Corey Burton
• Spike Witwicky - Corey Burton

[Shadowman]

Rodimus Prime - Judd Nelson (G1 movie only)

They actually got Judd Nelson? Huh. It makes sense, since Judd Nelson hasn't done anything noteworthy since the '80s.

[oldskooltf]

This actully has some evidence to suport it. And the Optimus Prime analigy is a poor one sence Optimus had no involvement what so ever in triggering Ratchet's flash backs. Sari on the other hand was actully interacting with Ratchet each time except for the last one when they only talked about her key.

The first flash back was NOT triggered by Sari. Yes Ratchet was checking out her arm/elbow but turned his back on her to address Bumblebee's comment on losing the ship -- he said it was more than a ship... losing a friend. That starts the whole flash back thing rolling on how Omega is more than just a normal "friend" with Ratchet -- not the fact that he was checking out Sari's arm. I only mentioned Prime because you seem to hold tight on Sari being the reason for these triggers just cause she's around the area in 1 & 4 when I only see her as part of the trigger on the 2nd and 3rd flashback.

But I'm tired of arguing that.

And as I said before what the flash backs were showing has nothing to do with the Sari/Arcee link, it's just the triggering of the flash backs that seems a little off key.

Why? What the flashbacks show us has more to do with stuff than what triggers them. Hence my red car example in my other post.
But either way though I don't see how 2 triggers should make us believe that Sari = Arcee.

The flash backs themselfs were just setting up the story to show how Ratchet would later be able to help Omega Supreme regain controll from the Decepticons. It was more than just them being friends, Omega Supreme and Ratchet are linked some how via the access codes he got from Arcee.

Agreed.

At any rate that's another issue there. That seems like alot of work only to show such a small part in the episode. We allready knew Ratchet and Omega Supreme were friends would it of made any difference if we never saw any of thoughs flash backs. Probly would of made more time for the other storys going on at the same time but the whole origin of Omega Supreme thing by itself was really unnessisary for that episode unless they were showing us something more than the obvious with it.

We did not know that Omega Supreme got his Spark started (or however you want to say it) due to Ratchet passing on the code that he got from Arcee. We did not know how Ratchet was Omega's mentor. We did not know that it was Ratchet who put Omega in a modified stasis. So... to me, these flashback's were necessary to explain all that. We also get a much better appreciation of how deep Ratchet's connection is to Omega.

I really think the flash backs are just the begineing to revial some unanswered questions. What did happen to Arcee and where did Sari come from. Two questions that are left unanswered and broght up at the exact same time. Sure it's a bit of a stretch but I really think the whole flash back thing was just forshadowing of things to come.

There's a conection between thoughs two unanswered questions and that conection seems to be pointing to Sari is Arcee.

I agree that they are two big unanswered questions. I also agree that a secondary purpose to them is to give us little bits of info on Arcee. I just don't come to the same conclusion as you.

I shall agree to disagree with you.

[Rodimus2006]

So Judd Nelson is Rodimus again umm Judd Nelson as done some SCI-FI original movies and was in a sitcom also I think but yeah your right nothing spectacular since the G1 Movie.

Isnt Susan Blue in charge of Voice Directing for Animated

Cant wait for Saturdays upcoming episode "Three's A Crowd" a wonder what this episode is going to be about and I wonder if the old cons will be in it such as Lugnut and the other survivors from season 2's epic conclusion.

I have to admit I am liking Animated alot better than Generation 1 and this is coming from someone who grew up with Generation one and I am now 27 years old and I still enjoy Transformers.


Cant wait to see how this see will come together and how it will ultimaly end up being concluded and the true origins of Sari being revealed will she end up being Arcee as everyone is thinking or will it be something totally diffrent and unexpected only time will tell and now we can just sit back and find out for our selves what is what and how it will how come to be.

[harvester]

I have to admit I am liking Animated alot better than Generation 1 and this is coming from someone who grew up with Generation one and I am now 27 years old and I still enjoy Transformers.

Im there with ya! They did a really good job with using a lot of elements of G1 but having plausible reasons for them all. It's still cartoony enough for kids but has a LOT of substance for people of our age [also 27]. G1 will always be the main stream of nostalgia but story-wise this has been surprising good.

I'm wondering though if they threw in a bunch of characters that we all know but barely give them any screen time and they won't much in the whole series [apart from a few of course].

Swindle was only in 1 and Soundwave was only in that 1 [or did it stretch into 2?], maybe rodimus died from the rust cause no one got to him in time? maybe this season will be a bloodbath =P

[Saber Prime]

This actully has some evidence to suport it. And the Optimus Prime analigy is a poor one sence Optimus had no involvement what so ever in triggering Ratchet's flash backs. Sari on the other hand was actully interacting with Ratchet each time except for the last one when they only talked about her key.

The first flash back was NOT triggered by Sari. Yes Ratchet was checking out her arm/elbow but turned his back on her to address Bumblebee's comment on losing the ship

He didn't turn his back unless you mean "turn his head slightly" I just rewatched that scene to double check and no he never took focus off Sari durring that.

At any rate that's another issue there. That seems like alot of work only to show such a small part in the episode. We allready knew Ratchet and Omega Supreme were friends would it of made any difference if we never saw any of thoughs flash backs. Probly would of made more time for the other storys going on at the same time but the whole origin of Omega Supreme thing by itself was really unnessisary for that episode unless they were showing us something more than the obvious with it.

We did not know that Omega Supreme got his Spark started (or however you want to say it) due to Ratchet passing on the code that he got from Arcee. We did not know how Ratchet was Omega's mentor. We did not know that it was Ratchet who put Omega in a modified stasis. So... to me, these flashback's were necessary to explain all that. We also get a much better appreciation of how deep Ratchet's connection is to Omega.

That wasn't what I asked. What I said was would it of made any difference to the episode if we didn't see the flashbacks.

And out of your "we did not know" statements only 2 of them are true. We knew it was Ratchet who put Omega Supreme into a modified stasis he said so at the end of season 2 before bringing him back online.

The first 2 you got right but does it even matter? What did that information have to do with the current situation? Nothing!

It would of been nice to know later on but it really had nothing to do with the current events that were unfolding.

[Rodimus2006]

Look lets not all get fret over it and just set back and enjoy season 3 we can talk till we are all blue in the face about what is what and it will solve nothing.

We no longer have to wait for the answers season 3 is now among us and I hope & pray that season 3 will not be the end of the series as it has been one of the best sice Beast Wars so please dont pull the plug so early.

I cant wait for Saturdays new episode, but I will be busy until then with my new game Suikoden - Tiekreis on the NDS.

Cant wait till next month until I get Phantasy Star Portable

Overall this is going to be a kick-ass year to bad everthing may come to an end at 2012.

[oldskooltf]

This actully has some evidence to suport it. And the Optimus Prime analigy is a poor one sence Optimus had no involvement what so ever in triggering Ratchet's flash backs. Sari on the other hand was actully interacting with Ratchet each time except for the last one when they only talked about her key.

The first flash back was NOT triggered by Sari. Yes Ratchet was checking out her arm/elbow but turned his back on her to address Bumblebee's comment on losing the ship

He didn't turn his back unless you mean "turn his head slightly" I just rewatched that scene to double check and no he never took focus off Sari during that.

Ummm... he was not focusing on Sari when he made his quote about losing a friend. Sari was not the trigger for that flashback, it was Bumblebee's statement about losing the ship and Ratchet's response.

I'll admit I was mistaken about turning his back... it was his head turning to the side... Again, I'll admit when I'm wrong, but you're letting your theory prevent you from admitting that Sari was not the trigger. The trigger is not what matters anyway IMHO. But we don't agree on that so why am I stating it again?

At any rate that's another issue there. That seems like alot of work only to show such a small part in the episode. We allready knew Ratchet and Omega Supreme were friends would it of made any difference if we never saw any of thoughs flash backs. Probly would of made more time for the other storys going on at the same time but the whole origin of Omega Supreme thing by itself was really unnessisary for that episode unless they were showing us something more than the obvious with it.

We did not know that Omega Supreme got his Spark started (or however you want to say it) due to Ratchet passing on the code that he got from Arcee. We did not know how Ratchet was Omega's mentor. We did not know that it was Ratchet who put Omega in a modified stasis. So... to me, these flashback's were necessary to explain all that. We also get a much better appreciation of how deep Ratchet's connection is to Omega.

That wasn't what I asked. What I said was would it of made any difference to the episode if we didn't see the flashbacks.

And out of your "we did not know" statements only 2 of them are true. We knew it was Ratchet who put Omega Supreme into a modified stasis he said so at the end of season 2 before bringing him back online.

The first 2 you got right but does it even matter? What did that information have to do with the current situation? Nothing!

Nothing? It helped to give us past history which leads to understanding Ratchet's conversation with Omega near the end of the episode about doing things that sometimes don't make sense (or whatever the exact line was) -- and to understand how Ratchet's voice was able to allow Omega to override Starscream's control on him. Those flashbacks were a key to understanding the story. But apparently we don't agree on that. So what's new?

(I must have missed Ratchet saying that HE was the one who put Omega in the modified stasis... I knew Omega was in that state, but did not recall Ratchet saying He did it at the end of Season 2. I don't have the vid in front of me and am too tired to care to look that up.)

I'm done with this argument. So go ahead and respond with how important you feel the triggers to flashbacks are... cause I've stated my point. We don't agree. Nothing seems to change your thoughts on this.

It doesn't matter.

[Ragnorok64]

Man... I liked Blurr. Is he confirmed, permanently dead?

[harvester]

Man... I liked Blurr. Is he confirmed, permanently dead?

As much as Id love to have him back, if they did I'd almost feel cheated. It seems pretty permanent. Unless he got out and had a spare blue cube to leave behind for Shockwave to find...

This episode felt more like a movie than the season 1 "movie"

[Ragnorok64]

Man... I liked Blurr. Is he confirmed, permanently dead?

As much as Id love to have him back, if they did I'd almost feel cheated. It seems pretty permanent. Unless he got out and had a spare blue cube to leave behind for Shockwave to find...

This episode felt more like a movie than the season 1 "movie"

I'm holding out hope that it was only part of him or something, or Sari and her key get to him sooner or later. But yeah crushed into an unrecognizable cube, is hard to come back from.

[Newtilator]

Man... I liked Blurr. Is he confirmed, permanently dead?

As much as Id love to have him back, if they did I'd almost feel cheated. It seems pretty permanent. Unless he got out and had a spare blue cube to leave behind for Shockwave to find...

This episode felt more like a movie than the season 1 "movie"

I'm holding out hope that it was only part of him or something, or Sari and her key get to him sooner or later. But yeah crushed into an unrecognizable cube, is hard to come back from.

Maybe Metroplex scans waste to detect for.. treachery. He said it was sensitive waste...

[harvester]

But yeah crushed into an unrecognizable cube, is hard to come back from.

and even if that were true, Cliffjumper immediately dumps him into whatever that chute is, prolly incinerated. Shockwave said it was "sensitive material", so that's super secret and only between Shockwave and Cliffjumper. I say he's screwed =(

Maybe Metroplex scans waste to detect for.. treachery. He said it was sensitive waste...

Maaaaaaybeeeee.....

it's really getting to me, I can't look at my Shockwave fig the same way, HE IS the most twisted one on the show now, not even Megatron has been seen killing anyone has he [besides starscream over and over]? And those creepy ass hands!! I love them, it's my favorite fig, but it gives me the chills now =| Cant wait to get my hands on a purple one.

[Newtilator]

But yeah crushed into an unrecognizable cube, is hard to come back from.

and even if that were true, Cliffjumper immediately dumps him into whatever that chute is, prolly incinerated. Shockwave said it was "sensitive material", so that's super secret and only between Shockwave and Cliffjumper. I say he's screwed =(

Maybe Metroplex scans waste to detect for.. treachery. He said it was sensitive waste...

Maaaaaaybeeeee.....

it's really getting to me, I can't look at my Shockwave fig the same way, HE IS the most twisted one on the show now, not even Megatron has been seen killing anyone has he [besides starscream over and over]? And those creepy ass hands!! I love them, it's my favorite fig, but it gives me the chills now =| Cant wait to get my hands on a purple one.

Hey, im cluthing straws here. I want my Blurrsy back..