The Energon Pub

[Dead Metal]

I think Sarry is a clone of some sorts and not a robot, cos it's been proven that she is made of organic material.

Ultra Magnus looks like Fortress Maximus with Thor's hammer.

Sentinel is afraid of Organics

Jazz is cool.

Prime gets better and better.

Grimlock pwned Sentinel with just one blow, he must get an award for that!

[glazer]

all i can say is-- keep it going up the hill- waiting for the big ride down - so far nice roller coaster-- i'm happy with the new guys coming in- even know it was out of know where- i'm for sure getting to the hooked point-- if the next few keep the pace- i'm in for the long haul with this show- and for picking up quite a bit of transformers toys from this show- but still need to save money for the next transformers II movie toys-- keep it coming

[Saber Prime]

I think Sarry is a clone of some sorts and not a robot, cos it's been proven that she is made of organic material.

Sarry is a word you say to apoligise for something. Sari is the name of a character on TF:Animated and my nephew drooled on the key board, ewy keys.

[Sabrblade]

I think Sarry is a clone of some sorts and not a robot, cos it's been proven that she is made of organic material.

Sarry is a word you say to apoligise for something. Sari is the name of a character on TF:Animated and my nephew drooled on the key board, ewy keys.

No, "sorry" is the word you say to "apologize".

I dunno what "Sarry", "Sarri", Sarrie", and "Sary" are.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Anyway a few thoughts.

1. According to this page Ironhide is allso supose to be a member of the Guard with Ultra Magnus, Sentinel Prime, and Jazz. http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Cybe ... lite_Guard

If I've said it once I've said it a million times..........dont trust a Wiki site for factual informatin

2. Sari sure likes to say Sumdac alot.

Porduct placement

6. Anyone else notice Sentinel Prime and Ultra Magnus seem to have powers based on Captain America and Thor.

First Captain America does not have any powers.......but I can see your line of thinking.

7. Sari apperently ISN'T adopted as there are no adoption papers. She was allso never born... maybe there is something to this robot idea... Is this season going to be all about finding the fragments of the Allspark and revieling what or who Sari really is?

I was thinking the same but also thinking of an other explaintion for no birth or adoption papers......maybe that guy who took over the company erased all her info to better take the company over.

I think Sarry is a clone of some sorts and not a robot, cos it's been proven that she is made of organic material.

I'm thinking more of a Cyborg.

Sarry is a word you say to apoligise for something. Sari is the name of a character on TF:Animated and my nephew drooled on the key board, ewy keys.

If your going to point out someones mistakes it would be a good idea to be correct when you do it.

According to Webster's Online Dictionary and Dictionary dot com the word "Sarry" does not exist.

And its the word "Sorry" that is used to apoligise.

[Dead Metal]

I think Sarry is a clone of some sorts and not a robot, cos it's been proven that she is made of organic material.

Sarry is a word you say to apoligise for something. Sari is the name of a character on TF:Animated and my nephew drooled on the key board, ewy keys.

Oh so you spell Sorry now as Sarry? Cool thanks for the info!

[Saber Prime]

Anyway a few thoughts.

1. According to this page Ironhide is allso supose to be a member of the Guard with Ultra Magnus, Sentinel Prime, and Jazz. http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Cybe ... lite_Guard

If I've said it once I've said it a million times..........dont trust a Wiki site for factual informatin

But Wiki HAS been correct on a vast number of other information regarding this seires at least so why would it be wrong on this point especially when Ironhide's picture is allready on the page.

6. Anyone else notice Sentinel Prime and Ultra Magnus seem to have powers based on Captain America and Thor.

First Captain America does not have any powers.......but I can see your line of thinking.

Now you of all people should know Captain America is a super soldier. He does have powers. For one his strenth and agility is higher than any normal person can ever hope to achieve and for another no normal person can use a sheild as a weapon like Captain America.

Oh and have I mentioned I've met Captain America? There's a new Captain America movie comming out next year and honestly Reb Brown has kept in good shape sence he last did that part he could STILL play it.

7. Sari apperently ISN'T adopted as there are no adoption papers. She was allso never born... maybe there is something to this robot idea... Is this season going to be all about finding the fragments of the Allspark and revieling what or who Sari really is?

I was thinking the same but also thinking of an other explaintion for no birth or adoption papers......maybe that guy who took over the company erased all her info to better take the company over.

Another good question, if there's no record of her exsistance what was that paper he was holding with her picture on it? Hey maybe you're right.

Sarry is a word you say to apoligise for something. Sari is the name of a character on TF:Animated and my nephew drooled on the key board, ewy keys.

If your going to point out someones mistakes it would be a good idea to be correct when you do it.

According to Webster's Online Dictionary and Dictionary dot com the word "Sarry" does not exist.

And its the word "Sorry" that is used to apoligise.

The point was still taken.

[Just Negare]

I saw a motorcycle that looked just like Prowl, same colouring and everything. If there weren't a bunch of gang memebers standing by it I would have got a pix.

Stupid criminals. I bet it was stolen!!

[Sabrblade]

1. According to this page Ironhide is allso supose to be a member of the Guard with Ultra Magnus, Sentinel Prime, and Jazz. http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Cybe ... lite_Guard

If I've said it once I've said it a million times..........dont trust a Wiki site for factual informatin

But Wiki HAS been correct on a vast number of other information regarding this seires at least so why would it be wrong on this point especially when Ironhide's picture is allready on the page.

Yeah, and I've written some stuff on that site that's quite factual. So, don't go thinking its all a joke.

And Saber Prime, you might want to recheck the Animated page with the list of characters. I did and saw that it's been redone and Ironhide is no longer listed as part of the Elite Guard.

[Omega Charge]

I'm thinking Ironhide will be on Cybertron in the episode where the Elite Guard go back to Cybertron, perhaps he'll be one of them, he just got left behind. Or not, but it doesn't really matter.

Though I was wondering where the pic of Ironhide on TransformersAnimated.com came from.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Anyway a few thoughts.

1. According to this page Ironhide is allso supose to be a member of the Guard with Ultra Magnus, Sentinel Prime, and Jazz. http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Cybe ... lite_Guard

If I've said it once I've said it a million times..........dont trust a Wiki site for factual informatin

But Wiki HAS been correct on a vast number of other information regarding this seires at least so why would it be wrong on this point especially when Ironhide's picture is allready on the page.

Its just a rule of thumb.....just about anybody can edit etnrees on Wiki pages so the info you get there has a 50/50 chance of being incorrect.

I just dont hope or believe anything about upcomming things that I read on their sites.

6. Anyone else notice Sentinel Prime and Ultra Magnus seem to have powers based on Captain America and Thor.

First Captain America does not have any powers.......but I can see your line of thinking.[/quote] Now you of all people should know Captain America is a super soldier. He does have powers. For one his strenth and agility is higher than any normal person can ever hope to achieve and for another no normal person can use a sheild as a weapon like Captain America.[/quote]

Thats right I should know.....after all I worked at Marvel.But even if I didnt I could tell you as I did before.........Captain America has no powers.

They call Cap "the Super Soldier" due to the Super Solider serum that was injected into him and was designed to give him superhuman powers but the seruim was not a 100% success.

What ended up happening is that he became the pinnacle of human physical perfection.He became the fastest any human could ever become, he became the strongest any human could ever become, he became the most agile a human could ever become and his cognitive skills are as advanced as any humans could ever become but he did not become "Super Human".

The Super-Soldier serum enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency but thats it.No super human levels in streanght or speed.He is bacily one noch below super human levels.

He was given a refined dose of the serum in the 90's that brought him to super human levels but he went a bit insane from it so it was removed from his blood stream.

As for how he use'es his sheild as a weapon with out super streanght......its a comic book, you cant put that much thought into such things.And theres been other characters that used his shield with out super human streanght......not with the same inefficient manor but its been done.

Here look up Cap and see for your self.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Captain_ ... eve_Rogers)

And I know its a "Wiki" page but its what I was linked to from Marvels offical site when I hit character bios.
http://www.marvel.com/

Oh and have I mentioned I've met Captain America? There's a new Captain America movie comming out next year and honestly Reb Brown has kept in good shape sence he last did that part he could STILL play it.

I met Captain America's creator Jack "The King" Kirby.He was a great guy.

And there was a Captain America Movie made in the 90 that sucked to no end.

And I'm not sure I'd keep my hopes up for the 2009 Cap film.Marvel hasnt even desided on a director for that film yet.

7. Sari apperently ISN'T adopted as there are no adoption papers. She was allso never born... maybe there is something to this robot idea... Is this season going to be all about finding the fragments of the Allspark and revieling what or who Sari really is?

I was thinking the same but also thinking of an other explaintion for no birth or adoption papers......maybe that guy who took over the company erased all her info to better take the company over.[/quote] Another good question, if there's no record of her exsistance what was that paper he was holding with her picture on it? Hey maybe you're right.[/quote]

Well theres any number of things that paper could be....it could just be a report sheet he made but who knows.

[Saber Prime]

Hey what happen? You were doing so well with your quote tags till now. Time to go back to rehab you've reverted to your old ways.

Bad quote tags aside, Captain America is not the only super soilder to be injected with that serum. There were 5 others. I can't remember their names at the moment but I think I know how I can find them.

Please Hold while I do some internet browsing.

-=edit=-

Thank you for holding.

Captain America and The Six American Warriors
Captain America first appeared in the The Cat episode as a cameo, in which Peter Parker is narrating a flashback scene about how Captain America got his powers. Later, Captain America appeared in the five-part "Six Forgotten Warriors" episode. In this episode it is revealed that after Steve Rogers was turned into Captain America, the lab was blown up and the key scientist was killed in the explosion. However, the remnants were enough to create at least five more superhumans. But their powers were temporary. So they were given rings that would keep their powers permanent, as long as they kept them on. Black Marvel, Miss America, Whizzer, Destroyer, and Thunderer were the five superheroes created. In this episode Kingpin steals the rings from the five heroes to use Red Skull's doomsday device. The Chameleon tricks Kingpin and releases the Red Skull and Captain America, who were trapped in a time dilation loophole. Later, Red Skull unleashes the Doomsday Device by turning his son Kragov into Electro. The Six warriors reunite, along with Spider-Man, and defeat Electro and Red Skull. However at the end of the five-parter Captain America, Electro, and Red Skull get trapped in the time dilation loophole, again. Later Captain America appeared in the three part episode Secret Wars in which Spider-Man choose Captain America along with some other heroes to defeat the villains involved in the Wars.

True this is a cartoon adaption but we never specified which Captain America we were talking about. I've read some bio's on him where his real name isn't even Steve Rodgers.

Anyway the other 5 heroes mentioned here DID recive super powers, it does say Captain America HAS super powers, and why would 5 other people get powers and not Captain America?

I allso found this on his character profile at Marvel. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Captain_ ... eve_Rogers)

Powers
Captain America represented the pinnacle of human physical perfection. He experienced a time when he was augmented to superhuman levels, but generally performed just below superhuman levels for most of his career. Captain America had a very high intelligence as well as agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he had metabolized had enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Most notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.

So we were both right.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Hey what happen? You were doing so well with your quote tags till now. Time to go back to rehab you've reverted to your old ways.

Bad quote tags aside, Captain America is not the only super soilder to be injected with that serum. There were 5 others. I can't remember their names at the moment but I think I know how I can find them.

Please Hold while I do some internet browsing.

I'm tired and havent slept in 3 days so I guess I messed up.

And over the years Marvel has added quite a few different characters that have gained from the Super-Soldier Serum.

Some even gained weird super powers and others died.

I can name at least 10 right now if you like.

[Saber Prime]

You might want to go browsing around Marvel's web site some time. I found 5 different versions of Captain America on their site. Two where named Steve Rodgers and both were listed as haveing powers. The other allso have powers simular to Wolverine (fast healing) allthough not as powerfull as it said "within days" when Wolverine seems to heal "within minuts"

Others I found that had different real names were all listed to have no powers what so ever.

Just thought I'd mention that. The Steve Rodgers Captain America does (or at least did at some point in his caree) have powers.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Thank you for holding.

Captain America and The Six American Warriors
Captain America first appeared in the The Cat episode as a cameo, in which Peter Parker is narrating a flashback scene about how Captain America got his powers. Later, Captain America appeared in the five-part "Six Forgotten Warriors" episode. In this episode it is revealed that after Steve Rogers was turned into Captain America, the lab was blown up and the key scientist was killed in the explosion. However, the remnants were enough to create at least five more superhumans. But their powers were temporary. So they were given rings that would keep their powers permanent, as long as they kept them on. Black Marvel, Miss America, Whizzer, Destroyer, and Thunderer were the five superheroes created. In this episode Kingpin steals the rings from the five heroes to use Red Skull's doomsday device. The Chameleon tricks Kingpin and releases the Red Skull and Captain America, who were trapped in a time dilation loophole. Later, Red Skull unleashes the Doomsday Device by turning his son Kragov into Electro. The Six warriors reunite, along with Spider-Man, and defeat Electro and Red Skull. However at the end of the five-parter Captain America, Electro, and Red Skull get trapped in the time dilation loophole, again. Later Captain America appeared in the three part episode Secret Wars in which Spider-Man choose Captain America along with some other heroes to defeat the villains involved in the Wars.

True this is a cartoon adaption but we never specified which Captain America we were talking about. I've read some bio's on him where his real name isn't even Steve Rodgers.

There were more then 1 Captain America's in the Marvel Universe.There was a replacement for Steave durring the years he was missing,an other durring the time that he quit an other when he was fired an other now that he's dead.And so on and so on

Anyway the other 5 heroes mentioned here DID recive super powers, it does say Captain America HAS super powers,

It did not say Cap had super powers....heres it is again read it more closely..

Captain America and The Six American Warriors
Captain America first appeared in the The Cat episode as a cameo, in which Peter Parker is narrating a flashback scene about how Captain America [b]got his powers.

See powers....not super powers.2 different things.The fact is even in that cartoon he was not shown to have super human powers and its in the dialog that all he gained was "peak human abilities.

and why would 5 other people get powers and not Captain America?

This was the case in the comics as well but not with all the same characters that you listed.

The fact is that the serum was not a 100% success but an experement and it effected different people in different ways.There were a few that did gain Super powers from it while others got cancer and others died.

Its the same with exposer to Gama rays in the marvel universe.

Not every body that has been exposed to it got powers like the Hulk.Many just died from it some got powers and not all got the same powers.

As you said the bios you listed was the Spiderman cartoon and they changed the history of most of those characters to simplify it to fit it all into a that cartoon universe.

I allso found this on his character profile at Marvel. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Captain_ ... eve_Rogers)

Powers
Captain America represented the pinnacle of human physical perfection. He experienced a time when he was augmented to superhuman levels, but generally performed just below superhuman levels for most of his career. Captain America had a very high intelligence as well as agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he had metabolized had enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Most notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.

So we were both right.

No were not both right.

Because you implyed he has super powers not had super powers.And besides I went into detail about that time when he did....here's it is again.

He was given a refined dose of the serum in the 90's that brought him to super human levels but he went a bit insane from it so it was removed from his blood stream.

And by the way that story was only about 3 or 4 issues long.

You might want to go browsing around Marvel's web site some time. I found 5 different versions of Captain America on their site. Two where named Steve Rodgers and both were listed as haveing powers. The other allso have powers simular to Wolverine (fast healing) allthough not as powerfull as it said "within days" when Wolverine seems to heal "within minuts"

Marvel has their own version of a "Multiverse" and in some of those Alternate universe Steve Rogers has super powers and in other's he does not.

Ultimate Universe Captain America is stronger then the Hulk if he has to be.

The main Marvel Universe [616] Captain does not have anywhere near that level of power and is listed to be only at peak levels of streanght.

Others I found that had different real names were all listed to have no powers what so ever.

Like I said there were a few replacements over the years.Some had been given the serum other have not.

Just thought I'd mention that. The Steve Rodgers Captain America does (or at least did at some point in his caree) have powers.

Like I said the Main Marvel Universe Cap 616 had them for a 3 to 4 issue run but even then it wasnt much of a boost.

[Saber Prime]

See powers....not super powers

1. In the original post when I mentioned the simularities with Sentinel Prime I never said "Super Powers" just that

Anyone else notice Sentinel Prime and Ultra Magnus seem to have powers based on Captain America and Thor.

and your response was

First Captain America does not have any powers

and now you're pointing out tiny little technicalitys that don't mean anything.

2. Sence you want to get technical there is NO difference between "Powers" and "Super Powers" sence no normal person has any "Powers" all "Powers" are "Super Powers" they are the same. You can't have powers that aren't super as such a thing does not exsist, even in fiction.

2A. Now the difference between "Hero" and "Super Hero" which you may have been thinking of is quite different. A "hero" could be an ordinary person or a super powered one but a "Super Hero" is exsclusive ONLY to the super powered.

2B. You may allso be thinking of "Powers" as "Abbilities" where "Abbilities" are natural based skills that one learns or can be trained to do. "Powers" on the other hand are obtained by some other unnatural means.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

See powers....not super powers

1. In the original post when I mentioned the simularities with Sentinel Prime I never said "Super Powers" just that

Anyone else notice Sentinel Prime and Ultra Magnus seem to have powers based on Captain America and Thor.

and your response was

First Captain America does not have any powers

and now you're pointing out tiny little technicalitys that don't mean anything.

I wasnt pointing out a technicality.....like I said above you "implyed superpowers not said super powers.

And calm down buddy you seem to be getting upset.

2. Sence you want to get technical there is NO difference between "Powers" and "Super Powers" sence no normal person has any "Powers" all "Powers" are "Super Powers" they are the same. You can't have powers that aren't super as such a thing does not exsist, even in fiction.

Technically there IS a difference between "Powers" and "Super Powers"

Many people have the power to walk while others do not....I could go on with this enalogy but it wont serve much point.

2A. Now the difference between "Hero" and "Super Hero" which you may have been thinking of is quite different. A "hero" could be an ordinary person or a super powered one but a "Super Hero" is exsclusive ONLY to the super powered.

Incorrect again.......Batman,Robin,Huntress,Grean Arrow,Red arrow [Speedy],the Question and many others are all called "Super Heroes" and none of them have super powers.

Again I could go on.

2B. You may allso be thinking of "Powers" as "Abbilities" where "Abbilities" are natural based skills that one learns or can be trained to do. "Powers" on the other hand are obtained by some other unnatural means.

You have a limited view on what "Powers" are....but your entitaled to your opinion.Granted abilities are natural based skills but not every one has the same abilities.

And besides in the Case were talking useing your way of thinking he still doesnt have powers. Captain America he only has enhanced abilities.

I was working on a list of Marvel characters that ether got powers of enhanced abilities from the serum.

Would you like me to post it.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Heres a list of characters from the main Marvel Universe [616] that have been augmented by the serum,dirivitives of the serum,attempted recreations of the serum or advanced versions of the serum.........

Captain America...Steve Rodgers- no s/h powers

Anti-Cap....Unknown -no known s/h powers

Union Jack.....Brian Falsworth possessed the power to discharge bolts of electricity form his hands but lost this power after a time.

Master Man...Wilhelm Lohmer the Nazi Super soldier possessed various superhuman physical attributes as a result of being exposed to a version of the Super-Soldier Serum created by tne Nazis and based on a stolen sample of the original serum

Warrior Woman....Frieda Ratsel was a Nazi spy working undercover with the scientist that created the serum....peak physical condition-- borderline superhuman strength and endurance.

Destroyer....Roger Aubrey has the ability to shrink down to 12" tall, while maintaining his full strength level...slow aging and retains the strength of a man in the prime of life even tho he's quite old [fought in WW2.

Grand Director....birth name unknown but leaguly changed to Steve Rogers......took the serum and impersonated Cap for a while.....had superhuman strength and went insane....now at peak human condition

Nomad....Jack Monroe....took the serum with the Grand Director and impersonated Bucky.....had superhuman strength and went insane....then normal human levels.

Powerman....Luke Cage possesses various superhuman physical attributes after undergoing an experiment designed to increases his body's cellular regeneration based on a variant of the Super-Soldier serum

The Sentry...Robert Reynolds is the Marvel Universe's answer to DC's Superman....The Sentry's superhuman powers and abilities derive from the Super Soldier Serum as the serum was increased 1000 times. Making it much more potent the experimental serum creates a phase-shift in his molecules, causing each atom to step an instant ahead of the current timeline. The serum induces a photosynthetic reaction, resulting in a hyperstate of consciousness. Though most of his powers and their limits are still unknown, he has displayed several abilities similarly possessed by Superman.

Isaiah Bradley..... an African American soldier who was used as a guinea pig in secret, illegal and immoral U.S. experiments to re-create the Super-Soldier process which created Captain America. Out of the hundreds of African American men experimented on, only three survived, Isaiah among them....peak of human potential

Josiah X the Black Captain America and son of Isaiah Bradley like his father and Steve Rodgers has peak of human potential

The Patriot....Eli Bradley son of Josiah X grandson of Isaiah Bradley originally had no enhanced abilities but took a Mutant Growth Hormone to activate the serum in his blood stream and now like his father grandfather and Steve Rogers is at Peak Human levels.

In the regular Marvel U....Miss America and Whizzer got their powers by unconnect means....Miss America is a mutant whos powers were activated by a strike of Lighting and Wizzer got his from a blood transfusion from a Mongouse.

Black Marvel and Thunderer had no powers at all.

[Burn]

So ... how about that latest episode of Animated huh?

Wowsers!, Sentinel Prime has a shield just like Captain America and Ultra Magnus has a hammer similar to Thor and can call down lightning with it!

Seriously guys, let it go and get the thread back onto Animated.

[Tigertrack]

So ... how about that latest episode of Animated huh?

Wowsers!, Sentinel Prime has a shield just like Captain America and Ultra Magnus has a hammer similar to Thor and can call down lightning with it!

Seriously guys, let it go and get the thread back onto Animated.

Agreed you both need to let it go or carry on with PM's...

[Saber Prime]

I just noticed the Wiki page is allso refering to Jazz as "Quicksilver" but he's a bad guy, what's he doing with Capt. and Thor?

[AxiomScion]

I just noticed the Wiki page is allso refering to Jazz as "Quicksilver" but he's a bad guy, what's he doing with Capt. and Thor?

Quicksilver was a good guy much longer than he's been a bad one in the comics. Joining the avengers with his sister kinda did that... although he didn't care for robots hitting on his sister so he ultimately left.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I just noticed the Wiki page is allso refering to Jazz as "Quicksilver" but he's a bad guy, what's he doing with Capt. and Thor?

Quicksilver was a good guy much longer than he's been a bad one in the comics. Joining the avengers with his sister kinda did that... although he didn't care for robots hitting on his sister so he ultimately left.

Quite true.

[Sabrblade]

If I've said it once I've said it a million times..........dont trust a Wiki site for factual informatin

But Wiki HAS been correct on a vast number of other information regarding this seires at least so why would it be wrong on this point especially when Ironhide's picture is allready on the page.

Yeah, and I've written some stuff on that site that's quite factual. So, don't go thinking its all a joke.

And Saber Prime, you might want to recheck the Animated page with the list of characters. I did and saw that it's been redone and Ironhide is no longer listed as part of the Elite Guard.

Plus, if you ask me, the only Sentinel's shield gives him a Captain America look. Aside from that minor detail, he's basically The Tick.

[Saber Prime]

he's basically The Tick.

Well he IS the Tick. Same voice actor, same big blue chined appearance. Only one big difference, Tick isn't a jerk.