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kaijuguy19 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Wait, are they actually complaining that the transformations are exactly as they should normally be instead of drawn out anime-styled stock transformation sequences that take up an extra thirty second to a minute? Are they seriously complaining about a lack of filler padding?!!
Actually it was more about the transformation sequences not being detailed enough like a character's arms pop out or in during transformation while the other starts transformation by the legs first like how we saw in Beast Wars while in Prime they seem to explode for a minute during transformation. One of the people I saw talking about it in one of his posts said that they just explode apart and reformed with no sense of weight or flow and that no matter who they were, everyone transformed with the same fast-paced jittery movement of parts, with no varying schemes and that they don't look like they can transform at all due to how some of the vehicle placements in their robot mode were placed like with Ratchet's doors on his chest for example.
Dead Metal wrote:kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Another complaint I've read is that the designs don't have a lot of the robot aspect in them makking them evoke the imagery of a bunch of poorly-dressed people with bad skin that don't have their character repsented well in it. not as sleek as Animated nor as detailed as the movies. People often say that it's a style that plays it too safe and is bland compaired to the Animated and Movie styles which they feel did a much better job at their respective styles .
In short most of them are saying that the Prime style commits a crime of being bland,boring.playing it safe.not having any visual variety just to name a few.
That's what makes them so good, they're a mix of Animated and Movie, they are sleek and organic looking, while having just enough detail and moving parts to still look like machines. The hilarious thing is, most of those people probably think that the Marvel G1 comics are the best incarnation ever, the one where the artists decided to let the robots look like people in costumes.
The style took some getting used to, but after a while I really got to appreciate it giving me not only the details and complexity I craved in robots, but also the sleekness of Animated, it's fantastic.
Especially when you look at it and realize these are designed to be robots that turn into vehicles and not the other way around like the movies do.
Afterall the whole concept here is that they are organisms like humans, just made of metal. Plus it's supposed to the the TF version of a "Prime" universe, as in the original universe from which all other universes branch off from. Which explains why Optimus and BB look so much like their Movie counterparts, and Bulkhead like his Animated self.
But what they ignore is the original design work on guys like Soundwave and Predaking.
The thing is though is that some of the guys I was talking too actually don't like G1 at all. Most of them are big fans of BW,TFA and MTMTE and some of the ones I know are very critical about Prime in almost everything about it and in the case of the designs they say Prime is very much just layers of sharp panels with little actual "robot" looking details which really stands out since it's CGI and that there's nothing new or characterful about them with random spikes and rounded armour on them that takes a lot of steps backwards when it comes to doing designs as a whole. They even said that there's no telling certain characters like Arcee and Knockout if they were Autobot or Decepticon too. Some say they look too similer as a result resulting in a bland asthetic.
I'm not saying they're right or wrong in their opinions. It's just it's something I'm thinking about now that the show's over and has me looking back at it for some time now. Though in a way you make a good point about the Wildman designs for the characters for Marvel back in the day who looked way more like humans. lol
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
spongedude93 wrote:Prime is also the most guilty of cheating transformations out of any series. The way Ratchets chest comes together as well as how Arcee compacts into a bike smaller than one of her legs are prime examples.
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:spongedude93 wrote:Prime is also the most guilty of cheating transformations out of any series. The way Ratchets chest comes together as well as how Arcee compacts into a bike smaller than one of her legs are prime examples.
Hah... "Prime" examples...
I know you said you won't comment on G1, but.... well...
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:spongedude93 wrote:Prime is also the most guilty of cheating transformations out of any series. The way Ratchets chest comes together as well as how Arcee compacts into a bike smaller than one of her legs are prime examples.
Hah... "Prime" examples...
spongedude93 wrote:Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:spongedude93 wrote:Prime is also the most guilty of cheating transformations out of any series. The way Ratchets chest comes together as well as how Arcee compacts into a bike smaller than one of her legs are prime examples.
Hah... "Prime" examples...
As soon as I hit Submit I realized what I wrote and I knew someone would say something.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Yeah, right, Tyranosaurus was really that small...spongedude93 wrote:Onscreen transformations have changed a lot through the years. I won't comment on G1 because of nature of 80's animation as a whole. but if we look at Beast Wars, the transformations were quick and concise with organic movement that added weight and realism to the character. As far as I can recall there weren't even that many cases of cheating the models, outside of Terrorsaur and Dinobot.
Also, In G1 some characters are bigger or smaller if they only need to. Galvatron is propably the most obvious example.Dead Metal wrote:You also forgot about Soundwave, Megatron and Blaster, who have an even more extreme case of size-mass shifting than anyone in Prime. But then again, I kinda like size-mass shifting.
TurboMMaster wrote:Yeah, right, Tyranosaurus was really that small...spongedude93 wrote:Onscreen transformations have changed a lot through the years. I won't comment on G1 because of nature of 80's animation as a whole. but if we look at Beast Wars, the transformations were quick and concise with organic movement that added weight and realism to the character. As far as I can recall there weren't even that many cases of cheating the models, outside of Terrorsaur and Dinobot.
Technically, If Beast Wars creators decide to keep the scale. Megatron without Mass Shifting should be much bigger than he's G1 counterpart.
Also, In G1 some characters are bigger or smaller if they only need to. Galvatron is propably the most obvious example.Dead Metal wrote:You also forgot about Soundwave, Megatron and Blaster, who have an even more extreme case of size-mass shifting than anyone in Prime. But then again, I kinda like size-mass shifting.
And what about RotF: Megatron is canonicaly much bigger than Optimus, yet after he kill Optimus, he seems to be only a little taller. However, considering that in this universum Transformers can loose a limb for no rason, or be healed instantly with no explanation. It is not that strange...
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
I'm said what would have been if creators of BW decide to keep scale without mass shifting. Not that either was used by creators.Dead Metal wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:Yeah, right, Tyranosaurus was really that small...spongedude93 wrote:Onscreen transformations have changed a lot through the years. I won't comment on G1 because of nature of 80's animation as a whole. but if we look at Beast Wars, the transformations were quick and concise with organic movement that added weight and realism to the character. As far as I can recall there weren't even that many cases of cheating the models, outside of Terrorsaur and Dinobot.
Technically, If Beast Wars creators decide to keep the scale. Megatron without Mass Shifting should be much bigger than he's G1 counterpart.
There is no size-mass shifting in Beast Wars, their alt-modes where the same mass as their robot modes, so yes, Megatron turned into a tiny T-Rex, while Waspinator turned into a huge wasp.
Transformers size and he's physical condition is usually ruled not by realism or by need of keeping coninuity, but by "Rule of cool."Dead Metal wrote:I have no idea what the hell this is supposed to mean? ....
kaijuguy19 wrote:If the next show after Prime is indeed a sequel what would you guys like to see in it? What kind of premis it'll have and the characters in it? I'd like to see a fembot be leader of her own team be it Arcee or someone else just to change things up and/or a series that focuses on Bee's duty as leader like in IDW.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Also does Prime to you breaks the "show don't tell." rule when it comes to character motives,backstory,what kid of threat the enemy is etc? It's just that some people have said that it does more telling then showing when it comes to things like that. For example the Decepticons being threats but felt that they weren't a threat enough to prove this,characters like Arcee and Bulkhead talking about some of their interests like oil baths and stuff but don't show it,etc. I know I may be asking these kind of negative questions a lot lately. I guess since the show's over I'm trying to think of other topics of the show to talk about that's all.
Slashercon wrote:kaijuguy19 wrote:If the next show after Prime is indeed a sequel what would you guys like to see in it? What kind of premis it'll have and the characters in it? I'd like to see a fembot be leader of her own team be it Arcee or someone else just to change things up and/or a series that focuses on Bee's duty as leader like in IDW.
Personally I'd like to see Elita-1 brought back into the fray as a leader for the bots or maybe bring in Rodimus ("Hot Shot" -_-) or maybe even stick with Arcee and BB taking charge. Oh, and personally, I'd like to see a very bulky fembot on bots' side. (Similar to Strika.)
I'd like to see Elita 1 come back and it would be awesome if we have fembots that are different looking in design. I hope the writers are considering to add in more fembots in the next show with more larger role like how they did Arcee because we really do need more fembots.kaijuguy19 wrote:Also does Prime to you breaks the "show don't tell." rule when it comes to character motives,backstory,what kid of threat the enemy is etc? It's just that some people have said that it does more telling then showing when it comes to things like that. For example the Decepticons being threats but felt that they weren't a threat enough to prove this,characters like Arcee and Bulkhead talking about some of their interests like oil baths and stuff but don't show it,etc. I know I may be asking these kind of negative questions a lot lately. I guess since the show's over I'm trying to think of other topics of the show to talk about that's all.
I definitely see where you're coming from. But with such limitations as the style of CG animation, I could see why we never saw them. I personally hope that the next TF animated series is traditionally drawn as to not have as many limitations as TF Prime. I feel as if Star Wars the Clone Wars was the only CG animated show nowadays that seemed like it could physically do anything.
kaijuguy19 wrote:If the next show after Prime is indeed a sequel what would you guys like to see in it? What kind of premis it'll have and the characters in it? I'd like to see a fembot be leader of her own team be it Arcee or someone else just to change things up and/or a series that focuses on Bee's duty as leader like in IDW.
Also does Prime to you breaks the "show don't tell." rule when it comes to character motives,backstory,what kid of threat the enemy is etc? It's just that some people have said that it does more telling then showing when it comes to things like that. For example the Decepticons being threats but felt that they weren't a threat enough to prove this,characters like Arcee and Bulkhead talking about some of their interests like oil baths and stuff but don't show it,etc. I know I may be asking these kind of negative questions a lot lately. I guess since the show's over I'm trying to think of other topics of the show to talk about that's all.
SlyTF1 wrote:kaijuguy19 wrote:If the next show after Prime is indeed a sequel what would you guys like to see in it? What kind of premis it'll have and the characters in it? I'd like to see a fembot be leader of her own team be it Arcee or someone else just to change things up and/or a series that focuses on Bee's duty as leader like in IDW.
Also does Prime to you breaks the "show don't tell." rule when it comes to character motives,backstory,what kid of threat the enemy is etc? It's just that some people have said that it does more telling then showing when it comes to things like that. For example the Decepticons being threats but felt that they weren't a threat enough to prove this,characters like Arcee and Bulkhead talking about some of their interests like oil baths and stuff but don't show it,etc. I know I may be asking these kind of negative questions a lot lately. I guess since the show's over I'm trying to think of other topics of the show to talk about that's all.
That's another thing that bothered me about TFP. I just never knew there was a phrase for it.
TurboMMaster wrote:How Prime's Sequel should looks like?
1) Almost entirely new cast, characters from Prime returns only via cameo
2) Action mostly on Cybertron
3) Return of Quintesson
4) Decepticons shattered into two factions: One ally with the Autobots, second try to fight back.
5) Autobots and Decepticons working together to stop Quintesson agetns
6) Shockwave is planning to turn Cybertron into Enormus Supercomputer
7) Starscream lives.Five factions: Autobot-Decepticon alliance, Decepticon Renegades, Predacons, Quintessons and their agents and Shockwave.
9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime
10) We shall finally see Primus.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
TurboMMaster wrote:9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime
TurboMMaster wrote:10) We shall finally see Primus.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
TurboMMaster wrote:1) Almost entirely new cast, characters from Prime returns only via cameo
2) Action mostly on Cybertron
3) Return of Quintesson
4) Decepticons shattered into two factions: One ally with the Autobots, second try to fight back.
5) Autobots and Decepticons working together to stop Quintesson agetns
6) Shockwave is planning to turn Cybertron into Enormus Supercomputer
7) Starscream lives.
9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime
10) We shall finally see Primus.
Shadowman wrote:Already saw him.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Well, now that he can speak again, he's likable.TK415 wrote:Your kidding me, right?
Come to think of it, what we really need is for Bumblebee to have his own on-going comic. Bumblebee should really have his own TV show as well. After that they should make a novel, the Life and Times of Bumblebee. Then Bumblebee the video game. Just the greatness of Bumblebee in every medium possible.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
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